Debunk Alert: Experiment to Test for Eutectic Reaction

alienentity said:
The temperature of smoldering debris fires is a function of the amount of fuel, availability of oxygen and heat loss or dissipation. That's it.
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Correct. The limiting factor in a debris pile fire is oxygen.

Coal seam fires are a reasonable analogy
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Incorrect. Coal is concentrated fuel and cannot be compared to combustibles mixed with a larger amount of non-combustibles.


1) That the temperature was extraordinarily high, not achievable in a normal fire.
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That was in reference to the iron spheres, not the melted beam.


That the sulphur did not come from any known source present in the building materials or contents. But you have failed to eliminate those very things - simply denying that gypsum could supply the sulphur is not a valid argument.
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I said here is NO scientific evidence that sulfur from any source other than thermate can invade steel and cause the intergranular melting.

Further, your doctrinal insistence that the sulphur came from <thermate or thermite> is remarkably weak since there is no direct evidence of either material!!
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The melted beam is the evidence of thermate. There is NO other known explanation.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Sorry to side track, Hydraulic hoses are used on 'hot' Mill Rolls in every Steel Mill in the world, they have no problems with hoses bursting, Hot Coils and Billets are moved in and out of Soaking Pits using hydraulic systems, they machinery is in direct contact with glowing hot steel with no problems.
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Yes all the machinery you speak of were made for high temps. The loader in question was not. It had large uninsulated hose/conections in the old pic, I believe. As I said, I could very well be mistaken. /derail
 
BigAl said:
Thermite slag can't melt steel. Most of thermite's energy was given up becoming slag.

Thermite is only effective on steel when in direct contact. Any thermite that burns by itself is wasted.
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Wrong.

Thermate produces a molten iron at 4500oF as a byproduct. This liquid slag will melt steel if it drips on a beam.
 
C7 said:
Thermite slag could drip onto the beam and slowly melt thru it.
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Oystein said:
Where is the slag? How much of it should have been found?
From whence did the cooling thermate slag drop onto said beam?
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When you can't deny a fact, ask a question calling for speculation. :D

What proof to you have that any thermate was present anywhere,
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The melted beam and the iron spheres.

If thermate burned anywhere at anytime, there should have been detectable traces of resolidified steel. Do you have any to show?
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99% of the evidence was destroyed before the NIST investigation began.
 
When you can't deny a fact, ask a question calling for speculation.
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No it's called asking you to offer some support for your conjecture.

As someone posted in a sepeate thread. You are a sad, strange little man. And you have my pity.
 
Gamolon said:
Is there a link to this admission? I'm not finding it.
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T.A.M. said:
Here you go. This page, post #521 by dr.g

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/active-thermitic-material-in-wtc-dust-t150-30.html
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Kent1 said:
This thread here
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162996
Jones

"During the discussion, I briefly expressed my hypothesis that nanothermite served as an igniting agent, as in the “super-thermite matches” described in our paper, to ignite more conventional explosives such as C4 or HMX, in the destruction of the WTC buildings."
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That quote is from this page: http://911blogger.com/node/20094

Steven Jones said:
During the discussion, I briefly expressed my hypothesis that nanothermite served as an igniting agent, as in the “super-thermite matches” described in our paper, to ignite more conventional explosives such as C4 or HMX, in the destruction of the WTC buildings. [...]

[...] Reliable and robust super- or nano-thermite ignitors would each be ignited by an electrical pulse generated by a radio-receiver, in turn igniting shaped charges to cut steel [...]
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Originally Posted by Steven Jones
During the discussion, I briefly expressed my hypothesis that nanothermite served as an igniting agent, as in the “super-thermite matches” described in our paper, to ignite more conventional explosives such as C4 or HMX, in the destruction of the WTC buildings. [...]

[...] Reliable and robust super- or nano-thermite ignitors would each be ignited by an electrical pulse generated by a radio-receiver, in turn igniting shaped charges to cut steel [...]
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NICE ONE! I wondered when somebody would "whip this out"?
Owwwwch!
C7 must be in some serious hurt! Or this is where he throws his hero under the bus!

 
Oystein said:
You seem to state with conviction that NO compound containing sulfur can possibly imagined that would release sulfur of the required composition.
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Wrong!

I said there is NO scientific evidence that anything other than thermate could cause the sulfur to enter the steel and lower its melting point.

You state with equal vonviction that thermate can do exactly that.
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Correct.

Now you show the science that shows that
a) thermate can do it
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http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/residues.html

b) all other sulfuric materials cannot.
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It is impossible to prove a negative. :D
 
An imaginary electrical pulse ignites imaginary "thermate matches" which ignite imaginary silent explosives, which propel imaginary shaped charges silently through steel.

The mind reels. Demolition experts are crying somewhere for some knucklehead introducing so much uncertainty into their craft - radio receivers in a fire? Unreliable thermite in the middle of the process?
 
carlitos said:
An imaginary electrical pulse ignites imaginary "thermate matches" which ignite imaginary silent explosives, which propel imaginary shaped charges silently through steel.

The mind reels. Demolition experts are crying somewhere for some knucklehead introducing so much uncertainty into their craft - radio receivers in a fire? Unreliable thermite in the middle of the process?
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Not just unreliable, most high explosives aren't triggered by heat, they are triggered by shock. That's why they need detonators, not fuses. Thermite fuses make no sense at all.
 
Christopher7 said:
Correct. The limiting factor in a debris pile fire is oxygen.

Incorrect. Coal is concentrated fuel and cannot be compared to combustibles mixed with a larger amount of non-combustibles.


That was in reference to the iron spheres, not the melted beam.


I said here is NO scientific evidence that sulfur from any source other than thermate can invade steel and cause the intergranular melting.

The melted beam is the evidence of thermate. There is NO other known explanation.
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I AGAIN reference the professors at WPI and their study.

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Biederman/Biederman-0112.html

So, you know more than them? I highly doubt that, considering a simple concept of fire and heat loss eludes you.

Again, the limiting factor in this argument is you personal ignorance. Why do you believe that the fires in the WTC debris were limited of oxygen?

Thanks!
 
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