Debunk Alert: Experiment to Test for Eutectic Reaction

[Sword_Of_Truth]

The temperatures that vaporized lead can only be explained by thermite. Thermite was found in the WTC dust and your denial of this is just denial. There were two authors from BYU listed on that paper, Dr. Farrer (as second author) and Daniel Farnsworth. Their affiliation with the BYU Department of Physics and Astronomy was listed in the paper, with the approval of BYU.

So Professor Jones forced to resign in disgrace = "approval" to you?

"I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims" "The university is aware that Professor Steven Jones's hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members. Professor Jones's department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review."
- A. Woodruff Miller, Department Chair, BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering

There was no thermite found in the WTC dust, BTW.

 

[Andy_Ross]

You have obviously never cadt your own fishing weights. Get the led too hot and it 'fumes' you need to do it outdoors and not lean in too close.

 

[Christopher7]

I have bolded your unproven lies. Care to defend them. Jones' et al and their poor excuse for a paper, with its plethora of methodological errors and unproven/unduplicated results is not considered proof here.

You and the anonymous posters here are not qualified to refute the thermite paper that was OK'd by BYU.

So (A) prove the ONLY way one can vaporize lead is through thermite

The fires in the Trade Towers were not anywhere near hot enough. Thermite is the only known explanation.

(B) prove (without the Jones "paper") that there was thermite in the debris,

Without the thermite paper I cannot "prove" there was thermite in the debris but you cannot come up with another explanation for the vaporized lead. Thermite is therefore indicated.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

From the second link:
"The formation of the microspheres is considered to be due to local high temperatures which cause melting of the metal."

Yes, "local" as in where the grinding surface comes in contact with the metal.

 

[Christopher7]

oh I would be interested in the proof of vaporized lead as well...while you are at it.

TAM

I have posted the proof several times.
From the R.J. Lee Group report:
[FONT=&quot]Pg 21 [pdf pg 25]
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"Many of the materials, such as lead, cadmium, mercury and various organic compounds, [FONT=&quot]Vaporized[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and then condensed during the WTC Event."[/FONT][/FONT]

 

[beachnut]

You and the anonymous posters here are not qualified to refute the thermite paper that was OK'd by BYU.

...

Jones is insane; he was fired for his thermite paper, not OK'd, KO'd. lol

zero thermite product was found at the WTC; failure is 911 truth, 8 years of delusions

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I have posted the proof several times.
From the R.J. Lee Group report:
[FONT=&quot]Pg 21 [pdf pg 25]
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"Many of the materials, such as lead, cadmium, mercury and various organic compounds, [FONT=&quot]Vaporized[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and then condensed during the WTC Event."[/FONT][/FONT]

http://www.nyhealth.gov/publications/2543/

LEAD FUMES are also created in many ways including:

* Using heat guns to remove paint from doors, windows, and other painted surfaces
* Welding or soldering lead containing materials
* Torch cutting painted and uncoated metal

Owned.

 

[Dog Town]

Without the thermite paper I cannot "prove" there was thermite in the debris but you cannot come up with another explanation for the vaporized lead. Thermite is therefore indicated.

You realize that, that sounds crazy, right? That's some sort of figure eight 'logic' you've invented!

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I have posted the proof several times.
From the R.J. Lee Group report:
[FONT=&quot]Pg 21 [pdf pg 25]
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"Many of the materials, such as lead, cadmium, mercury and various organic compounds, [FONT=&quot]Vaporized[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and then condensed during the WTC Event."[/FONT][/FONT]

http://www.ukqna.com/garden/3351-home-ukqna.html


You melt it down in a saucepan (an old one) on a stove and you can then pour it to seal a joint or whatever. You can make fishing weights like that using molds. With a soldering iron at very low heat. However using lead, and lead solders are dangerous, as they give off lead fumes. If you have lead plumbing in your house, you will slowly be getting lead poisoning from it, and it should be replaces with Plastic, or copper pipes. Until you understand the dangers of lead poisoning and how you get it dont lift a finger. It is best done where there is plenty of ventilation (outdoors) and any excessive heating to the lead pot is to be avoided as the lead vapor pressure is proportional to temperature.

Owned again.

 

[DGM]

You and the anonymous posters here are not qualified to refute the thermite paper that was OK'd by BYU.

Source? Stop lying (look who I'm saying this to )!

 

[Dog Town]

Owned.
-Owned again.

That's gonna leave a mark! Owwwwch!

ETA: Double Owweee...

 

[Christopher7]

So Professor Jones forced to resign in disgrace = "approval" to you?

Your characterization is incorrect and has nothing to do with the thermite paper. He was forced to retire for questioning the OCT but allowed to continue using the facilities at BYU.

"I think [opinion] without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims"

"The university is aware that Professor Steven Jones's hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members. Professor Jones's department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review."
- A. Woodruff Miller, Department Chair, BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering

This response does not refer to the thermite paper. It was posted 11-11-07.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3145057&postcount=106

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,645199800,00.html

BYU places '9/11 truth' professor on paid leave

PROVO — Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on paid leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the so-called "9/11 truth movement" that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.


OMGWTFPWNED.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Without the thermite paper I cannot "prove" there was thermite in the debris

Exactly.

Too bad for you it never passed peer review, huh?

 

[Quad4_72]

I have posted the proof several times.
From the R.J. Lee Group report:
[FONT=&quot]Pg 21 [pdf pg 25]
[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]"Many of the materials, such as lead, cadmium, mercury and various organic compounds, [FONT=&quot]Vaporized[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and then condensed during the WTC Event."[/FONT][/FONT]

Why do you keep quoting the very people you think were "in on it"

 

[Christopher7]

http://www.nyhealth.gov/publications/2543/

LEAD FUMES are also created in many ways including:

* Using heat guns to remove paint from doors, windows, and other painted surfaces
* Welding or soldering lead containing materials
* Torch cutting painted and uncoated metal

Owned.

The R.J. Lee report did not say lead was heated and put off vapors, it said that lead, [FONT=&quot]cadmium, mercury[/FONT] WERE VAPORIZED.

 

[excaza]

The R.J. Lee report did not say lead was heated and put off vapors, it said that lead, [FONT=&quot]cadmium, mercury[/FONT] WERE VAPORIZED.

I have no words, except a prayer for the masses of brain cells that just died. This will suffice:

They were not vaporized, they were VAPORIZED

 

[Christopher7]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,645199800,00.html

BYU places '9/11 truth' professor on paid leave

PROVO — Brigham Young University placed physics professor Steven Jones on paid leave Thursday while it reviews his involvement in the so-called "9/11 truth movement" that accuses unnamed government agencies of orchestrating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center.

This was an attack on Prof Jones' first amendment to question the government. It was done before the thermite paper was published so it has nothing to do with the thermite paper.

All this is a diversion from the fact that temperatures far in excess of what office or debris pile fires can attain occurred during the 9/11 event.

 

[Dog Town]

The R.J. Lee report did not say lead was heated and put off vapors, it said that lead, [FONT=&quot]cadmium, mercury[/FONT] WERE VAPORIZED.

FTW!
Thank you C7, STUNDIED!

Vaporized:
to cause to change into vapor.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vaporized

 

[TheRedWorm]

This was an attack on Prof Jones' first amendment to question the government. It was done before the thermite paper was published so it has nothing to do with the thermite paper.

Actually, he can question "the government" all he wants. Doesn't mean that his employers have to keep him on. I mean, if I worked at a vet's office, and I believed that animals couldn't feel pain, I could rightfully expect them not to keep me around.

All this is a diversion from the fact that temperatures far in excess of what office or debris pile fires can attain occurred during the 9/11 eve.

And how high a temperature is that? Does it take into account things like a honking huge UPS? How about the kinetic energy of both the impacts, and the collapsing of a honking huge building? What about the temperature of the pile post-collapse, any way to model that?

Even if we take your bare assertion as fact, you still have to explain, in detail, how much therm&te was there, and how it got there, just for starters.