Death Panels Redux - Palin was right!

[KingMerv00]

I, for one, would love to see Pain run in 2012.

Paging Dr. Freud.

Or maybe Pain is a pro-wrestler?

 

[leftysergeant]

The rich have gotten too much?

Far too much, and given far to little back in return.

Do not forget that the top 10% of wealth in the US pays out over 60% of the total income tax in the country.

So?

They are in charge of the companies that provide jobs for the rest of us. The Constitution guarantees that pursuit of happiness but never in said document does it say that everything will ever be handed to the masses on a silver platter.

So let the fat class work for a living and pay their utility bills like the rest of us.

The simple fact of the matter is that the fat class has ceased to create jobs here, but is, in fact, destroying them with outsourcing and fake financial securities and usery. Screw 'em.

Maybe if more spent less on other things such as cell phones, televisions, cars, and other items that are way out of their budget they could afford privatized healthcare like many Americans do possess.

Bull flops. The fat class refuses to sell it to some people at any price.

Maybe if they got up off their butts are worked instead of relying on handouts they could afford some nicer things.

Stop that. Working families are supposed to shell out a grand a month for health cvare? Out of what the fat class deem to pay a working schlub. Put down the Human Events talking points and come over here to the time/space continuum in which actual people have to live.

Why should the country as a whole be forced to pay for everyone else? Why should we, the tax payers, have to give up money each year to pay for stupid mistakes that are made on a daily basis such as gang shootings, people getting in car wrecks that end up in Intensive Care because they are too stupid to buckle up or get off their cell phone while on the road.

Stop snivelling. The system is there for you to use, too. Pay your utility bills like an honest man.

If taxes are assessed properly and you are paying more taxes than I am, it is because you are benefitting more from the societal infrastructure and the resources of the country, so yeah, you do owe more than I do, in terms of actual sums of money and rates at which you are taxed. You are consuming other goevernment resources, whether you get sick and need to use government-funded health care or not.

If you have any pride whatsoever in providing for you and your family, why would you want to curtail to the government and expect them to give them everything for you? Is that not demeaning?

No.

Socialized healthcare will put the United States into severe debt, much worse than we are currently in, why support something that makes it worse?

This is not a factual statement. I am tempted to call it a non causa pro causa, but maybe there is a more appropriate term. At any rate, your position is just not supported by facts that operate on this plane of existance.

Don't get me wrong, I want accessible healthcare for those who need it and have no means of obtaining it. But that should be reserved for the disabled, not those looking for a handout that are capable of gainful employment.

Sorry for the rant.

I have seen shabbily-dressed people with critters living in their beards launch into more realistic rants.

 

[Alt+F4]

Palin was right? Well what exactly did she say? Let's see:

Has the bolded part been shown to be true?

Good question. Did Obama kill Palin's baby and I just missed the news?

 

[thaiboxerken]

The rich have gotten too much? Do not forget that the top 10% of wealth in the US pays out over 60% of the total income tax in the country.

I doubt it. Have any evidence to support this claim?

 

[KingMerv00]

I doubt it. Have any evidence to support this claim?

As of 2007, it was 71% of the taxes actually.

http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

 

[leftysergeant]

As of 2007, it was 71% of the taxes actually.

http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

That's still less than the percentage of the nation's wealth which they control.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

As of 2007, it was 71% of the taxes actually.

What percent of the income does that correspond to? More importantly, does it still leave them with at least 6 figures on which to eke out a living?

 

[rustypouch]

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Socialized healthcare will put the United States into severe debt, much worse than we are currently in, why support something that makes it worse?

Don't get me wrong, I want accessible healthcare for those who need it and have no means of obtaining it. But that should be reserved for the disabled, not those looking for a handout that are capable of gainful employment.

Sorry for the rant.

Not to belittle your bootstrapy rant, but this part I have a problem with.

The US spends the most of any country in the world on their health care. About 16% of GDP, or about 7300USD per person per year.

The next closest in GDP is France at about 11%, and in cost is Norway at 5900USD. Everyone else has lower expenses.source

This doesn't take into account the effects of people dying without care, or those who are forced into bankruptcy because of health care costs.

So why does public health care work in every other industrialized country, and cost less than private care?

What is it that makes the US an exception?

Besides, the most recent health care bill is still based on private insurance.

 

[leftysergeant]

What percent of the income does that correspond to? More importantly, does it still leave them with at least 6 figures on which to eke out a living?

Does it really cover the amount of money that the nation spends on the infrastructure that they use, the cost of regulatory oversight of their businesses and investments and mitigation of the environmental harm they do?

Doubt it.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Not to belittle your bootstrapy rant, but this part I have a problem with.

The US spends the most of any country in the world on their health care. About 16% of GDP, or about 7300USD per person per year.

I thought as a percent of GDP one nation beat us, because they are a tiny country no one ever heard of with very little GDP and a malaria problem. No nation people have heard of though.

 

[KingMerv00]

That's still less than the percentage of the nation's wealth which they control.

What percent of the income does that correspond to? More importantly, does it still leave them with at least 6 figures on which to eke out a living?

I just posted facts. I don't feel like getting into that debate.

 

[T.A.M.]

Because hilarity is so much more important than giving the American people an option besides the One.

I agree, the BETTER option would be for the conservatives to have REAL candidates, that were potential smart leaders, but it is the conservatives themselves who keep her in the spotlight, who keep promoting her as a potential candidate. You (the collective) reap what you sow. You try to make her look like a legitimate candidate, then you have to put up with the possibility that she might actually win.

As a liberal, I hope she runs, and wins the conservative nod, as it will almost insure another 4 years for Obama...but I agree, it is not the fairest thing to happen.

Who would you blame if such came to be?

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

The rich have gotten too much? Do not forget that the top 10% of wealth in the US pays out over 60% of the total income tax in the country. They are in charge of the companies that provide jobs for the rest of us. The Constitution guarantees that pursuit of happiness but never in said document does it say that everything will ever be handed to the masses on a silver platter. Yes, healthcare costs are ridiculous in the US, take a closer look at why that is. Emergency room visits are among the most expensive costs in healthcare and what do most people do when they get hurt without insurance? Go to the ER and expect the government to foot the bill. Maybe if more spent less on other things such as cell phones, televisions, cars, and other items that are way out of their budget they could afford privatized healthcare like many Americans do possess. Maybe if they got up off their butts are worked instead of relying on handouts they could afford some nicer things. Do not get me wrong, the idea of socialized healthcare is wonderful, everyone having access to medical needs, but at what cost? Why should the country as a whole be forced to pay for everyone else? Why should we, the tax payers, have to give up money each year to pay for stupid mistakes that are made on a daily basis such as gang shootings, people getting in car wrecks that end up in Intensive Care because they are too stupid to buckle up or get off their cell phone while on the road.

If you have any pride whatsoever in providing for you and your family, why would you want to curtail to the government and expect them to give them everything for you? Is that not demeaning?

Socialized healthcare will put the United States into severe debt, much worse than we are currently in, why support something that makes it worse?

Don't get me wrong, I want accessible healthcare for those who need it and have no means of obtaining it. But that should be reserved for the disabled, not those looking for a handout that are capable of gainful employment.

Sorry for the rant.

What would Jesus do?

TAM