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Dean Clifford Discussion Thread

Reno said:
I don't have access to this link at work...can someone give a synopsis please?
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Some key quotes:


I am absolutely and unequivocally certain I will not return and will not want anything to do with the site or with Dean. It has been way too stressful on my part and it is not possible for me to keep things afloat. its been a nightmare. Dean is not what he portrays himself to be. Dean just uses people and discards them, wanted me to build a perpetual income milking station for him.
Dean is definitely using all their stuff. he has a drivers license, he has license plates, he has a registered company and yes, he files taxes. how does one get all that if he claims to have rescinded the BC over 3 years ago? I couldn’t get a straight answer from him or any of his mob.
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It has been utterly traumatizing and humiliating. I have come to realise Dean protects moochers and scumbags but takes hard working people for granted.
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In regards to Dean’s case, his gun and pot charges actually have not been dropped at all. I was misled to believe it was just one gun that was a WWII relic heirloom piece, but in fact Dean has a full arsenal. This is something the team wanted nothing to do with and especially the web admin who originally wrote some of the news posts. He wants nothing to do with guns or drugs and was merely involved to learn about tax issues which he was promised on be shown on how to get all your tax back. This was complete nonsense and just hot air Dean promised which never was going to happen in the first place.

The list of guns entail (Errors & Omissions Expected):
Lee enfield .303 British ( the ww2 rifle),
Sks rifle in 7.62×39,
2 shot guns( Reminton 870 wingmaster 12 gauge shotgun)
Moss erg 500 pump action 12 guage
.25 automatic pistol.
.32 auto… The .25 is also a prohibited weapon (not restricted … Prohibited).
Possibly a double barrel 12 guage as well.
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In regards to the drug charges, the original news post was misleading and BS was fed there also, the grow op was actually for commercial purposes and not for a sick friend as originally told.
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So, he's finally realized the truth of pretty much exactly what we've been saying all along.
 
Fun fact for Right to keep and bear arms folks - with the exception of the .25 cal piece, Deano could have avoided all this with no more "infringement" on his rights than that required to get a driver's license (ie. pass the test and have the piece of plastic that allows you to have as many non-restricted firearms as you like). The pistols may be prohibited becasue Canadian law prohibits firearms with a barrell length of less than 4.1".

In other words, Dean's an idiot and here's further proof.
 
Border Reiver said:
Fun fact for Right to keep and bear arms folks - with the exception of the .25 cal piece, Deano could have avoided all this with no more "infringement" on his rights than that required to get a driver's license (ie. pass the test and have the piece of plastic that allows you to have as many non-restricted firearms as you like). The pistols may be prohibited becasue Canadian law prohibits firearms with a barrell length of less than 4.1".

In other words, Dean's an idiot and here's further proof.
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Indeed. With the exceptions of the pistols*, this list reads remarkably like the pile of firearms we used last time I went with my buddy to his shooting range.



*We mostly had 9mm and .40cal, along with my friend's funny Russian calibers.
 
Border Reiver said:
Fun fact for Right to keep and bear arms folks - with the exception of the .25 cal piece, Deano could have avoided all this with no more "infringement" on his rights than that required to get a driver's license (ie. pass the test and have the piece of plastic that allows you to have as many non-restricted firearms as you like). The pistols may be prohibited becasue Canadian law prohibits firearms with a barrell length of less than 4.1".

In other words, Dean's an idiot and here's further proof.
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Yeah, register the long guns. Sell the .25 and the .32 at a U.S. gun show/private sale and use the proceeds to get a pistol in Canada that's longer than 4.1 inch, like a full size 1911.

Horatius said:
Indeed. With the exceptions of the pistols*, this list reads remarkably like the pile of firearms we used last time I went with my buddy to his shooting range.

*We mostly had 9mm and .40cal, along with my friend's funny Russian calibers.
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There is one section of the Good Bye statement in which the admin says:

"Dean is definitely using all their stuff. he has a drivers license, he has license plates, he has a registered company and yes, he files taxes. how does one get all that if he claims to have rescinded the BC over 3 years ago? I couldn’t get a straight answer from him or any of his mob." http://deanclifford.info/2014/06/12/goodbye/

The inference that Dean followed the rules in order to allow him to play the freewheeling guru doesn't matchup with Dean, the oppositional freeman, who doesn't bother to register his perfectly allowable rifles and shot guns and keep couple of prohibited, but badly under powered, pocket pistols, that weren't going to get him anything but trouble.
 
arayder said:
There is one section of the Good Bye statement in which the admin says:

"Dean is definitely using all their stuff. he has a drivers license, he has license plates, he has a registered company and yes, he files taxes. how does one get all that if he claims to have rescinded the BC over 3 years ago? I couldn’t get a straight answer from him or any of his mob." http://deanclifford.info/2014/06/12/goodbye/

The inference that Dean followed the rules in order to allow him to play the freewheeling guru doesn't matchup with Dean, the oppositional freeman, who doesn't bother to register his perfectly allowable rifles and shot guns and keep couple of prohibited, but badly under powered, pocket pistols, that weren't going to get him anything but trouble.
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Well, it does match up with someone who wants guns to protect their criminal enterprise, and so doesn't want to be on the list the police have of gun owners.

Also, the process for getting a PAL is somewhat more involved than a driver's license. Another friend got one a few years ago, and the RCMP actually did call up his personal references (including me) to ask about his suitability to have firearms. I suspect the only people who would vouch for the likes of Dean wouldn't inspire a lot of trust in the typical RCMP officer.

And also, he's far more likely to interact with police while driving, so it makes sense to get one license, but not the other.
 
Horatius said:
Well, it does match up with someone who wants guns to protect their criminal enterprise, and so doesn't want to be on the list the police have of gun owners.

Also, the process for getting a PAL is somewhat more involved than a driver's license. Another friend got one a few years ago, and the RCMP actually did call up his personal references (including me) to ask about his suitability to have firearms. I suspect the only people who would vouch for the likes of Dean wouldn't inspire a lot of trust in the typical RCMP officer.

And also, he's far more likely to interact with police while driving, so it makes sense to get one license, but not the other.
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That makes sense.

It also gives credence to the admin's statement that he and others in the Dean inner circle did to want to have anything to do with an operation that required firearms to secure and protect it. Knowing that Dean down played the firearms charges saying that the cops were busting him for an antique rifle and an old shotgun.

Eventually the lie caught up with him.
 
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Thanks for posting the text of the "goodbye letter." I've been looking for that as it has since been taken down from the dean site.
 
Horatius said:
Breaking News!


It turns out, all along he was actually concerned with helping Native children who were kidnapped by Queen Elizabeth!


http://www.donotlink.com/framed?560947
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From RationalWiki:

The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (or ITCCS) is a one-man blog that pretends to be a tribunal established to enforce common law. Despite claims of being based in Brussels, the whole thing is written in Canada by Kevin D. Annett, a defrocked United Church of Canada minister. . . .

Previously, Annett had made his money claiming to represent the interests of native Canadians. Until they told him to damn well stop it. [notes omitted]
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:rolleyes:
 
Horatius said:
Breaking News!


It turns out, all along he was actually concerned with helping Native children who were kidnapped by Queen Elizabeth!


http://www.donotlink.com/framed?560947
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From that link - math it would seem is not their strong point

.....A young Canadian farmer has been illegally confined in a Canadian prison for over a year without charges filed against him, has been routinely denied the right to appear in the Brandon Manitoba Court, file petitions, or seek Habeas Corpus relief. Dean Clifford was arrested in Hamilton Ontario on Nov. 23 2013.....
 
Horatius said:
Breaking News!


It turns out, all along he was actually concerned with helping Native children who were kidnapped by Queen Elizabeth!


http://www.donotlink.com/framed?560947
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As Horatius knows, I posted that article on Facebook yesterday.

That was the first time I've heard of this guy, Dean Clifford.

I've started threads on Kevin Annett and the ITCCS, and this latest article was just so full of conspiracy theories I just had to share it (being careful to use donotlink.com).

Count the CTs!
 
Mr. Arnett's plan to get Dean out of jail will undoubtedly be carried out with all the speed and efficiency that he has demonstrated in his previous enforcement of the "judgement" against Her Majesty, Stephen Harper, and the governments of the United Kingdom and Canada.

In other words, there will be bluster on the Internet, maybe a poorly worded letter or two that some poor staffer will have to read and then, nothing.
 
Horatius said:
Breaking News!


It turns out, all along he was actually concerned with helping Native children who were kidnapped by Queen Elizabeth!


http://www.donotlink.com/framed?560947
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Yeah, now the story is that Dean, the gentle farmer, is a caring child advocate who has been thrown in the clink for his advocacy efforts and is likely to go missing while in custody.

I am yet again amazed at the depth of the "we are victims" mentality so rampant in the freeman subculture and the lengths the mouth pieces of freeman thought will go to foist their "woe is me" bull on readers.

I mean who do Byington and Annett think is going to believe this line?

Dean is a rage filled, self-destructive, life long loser who can't pass up a chance to dig his way into more trouble. This whole mess started because he wasn't wearing a seat belt. From that minor thing Dean has managed to get him self in a position were he's likely to spend a few years in the big house!

When things weren't going badly enough for Dean he decided to publicly threaten a couple of courthouse officials so he could get in more trouble.

This is the guy who used to brag about driving down to the U.S. border so he could give the guards at U.S. border security a lecture on U.S. law and insist that he be allowed to pass into the U.S. without one bit of ID!

Now he's getting his life long wish and is regularly able to cuss out judges before they throw him out of court.
 
This from the Brandon Sun:

http://www.brandonsun.com/breaking-news ... html?thx=y

Accused threatened police: Crown
By: Ian Hitchen
Tuesday, Dec. 9, 2014

The trial of a man accused of threatening a sheriff and police may hinge on whether the man who appeared in the prisoner’s box was, in fact, the man whose voice is heard in recordings.

Witnesses testified that the comments were recorded and placed on the website of Dean Christopher David Clifford.

"I think it’s quite clear how the intent by Mr. Clifford is that these are to be taken seriously, and that they are meant to be threats," Crown attorney Deidre Badcock told Brandon provincial court on Monday.

Clifford, 39, is accused of threatening bodily harm against a Brandon sheriff, and with threatening death to police officers in general.

A judge previously entered not guilty pleas on his behalf, and his trial was held on Monday.

As those pleas were previously entered, the judge described Clifford as an Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Argument (OPCA) litigant.

Clifford wasn’t present in the courtroom when the judge described him as such — the judge had him removed from court after a verbal exchange. He didn’t have an chance to challenge or confirm that description, and it’s not something that was proven at trial.

In general, OPCA has been used to refer to "vexatious" litigants, most notably in reference to a 2012 Alberta "Freeman on the land" case.

While links posted on Clifford’s website lead to other online content that describes him as a "Freeman," his wife says that Clifford doesn’t claim to be a Freeman of the Land. She described that term as a label imposed on people by others.

In an interview posted on his website, Clifford says he’s part of a law movement, and speaks in favour of common law or natural law. His website includes video from a number of seminars.

He states that natural law is simple and absolute, so individuals can defend their own rights that pre-existed before government.

Clifford wasn’t represented by a lawyer at his trial. He didn’t call any of his own witnesses, question Crown witnesses or make a closing argument.

"I, a man, Dean, do not believe that I have done anything wrong," Clifford said.

He’s accused of placing calls to his brother from the Brandon jail in which he threatened a sheriff and police officers in general.

He was being held at the jail while pending on charges from another Manitoba jurisdiction.

A police officer testified that recordings of the calls were placed on Clifford’s website.

Those two calls were also recorded by the jail and played in court.

In the first phone call made on May 27, a man whose voice was identified in court as Clifford’s by a Brandon jail staff member describes his displeasure with a Brandon sheriff.

He says he’s upset because, during one of his Winnipeg court appearances, a Brandon sheriff poked his wife and told her to get up when she wouldn’t stand for the judge, as is custom. He describes the poking as assault:

"That ******’s going down … If I ever see him on the street he’s ***********, he’s toast. I’ll gladly come back for an assault charge for that one … Put that on the record on this this (sic) phone recording, *********** her majesty."

And in a second phone call placed on June 28, which Badcock argued to be a threat to police:

"If you’re going to *********** beat me, and throw me in jail and steal from me, then *********** man-up and just say right to my face: I don’t give a **** about your rights, I’m going to steal everything you *********** own and throw you in jail whether it’s illegal or not … Because at least if I know you’re a lawless, *********** piece of ****, then next time I’ll blow your *********** head off."

However, while the Brandon jail staff member who’d listened to hundreds of his calls identified the recorded voice as Clifford’s, Judge Jean McBride questioned whether the Crown had made its case.

"What evidence is before me that the individual that has been referred to today as Dean Clifford on those tape recordings is actually the individual here in court?" McBride asked.

Badcock acknowledged that she didn’t ask witnesses to point to the accused in the prisoner’s box, but she said a testifying police officer had gestured toward Clifford as he described his arrest.

McBride reserved her decision and the case has been adjourned to Jan. 30.

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Edited to properly mask profanity. Please see Rule 10.
 
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