DEA HQ Security Camera Footage

[Pardalis]

Don't bother, Pardalis. RedIbis was very careful to not make any claims; he only "asked questions". He knows if he makes an actual claim, he'll have to back it up, and he lacks the ability to do that. His behavior is that of the intellectually dishonest, and it is therefore not worthwhile to pursue any kind of meaningful discussion with him.

You're absolutely right, and he'll come back in another week with another thread asking us to debunk something (one of his "Debunk Alert" threads).

 

[BCR]

If we use the 53-second figure, then the bus was at 1:43 in the DEA video at 9:35:22 (DT time stamp). The explosion is first visible at 9:34:11, so this is 1 minute and 11 seconds after the explosion was visible. Within seconds, the view changes in the DEA video to the Pentagon and the smoke plume. The appearance of this plume however is somewhat more advanced than what is seen in the Doubletree video at 9:35:22, so this may confirm that the apparent speed of the bus as it passed the Doubletree is not a reliable indicator of its speed in the whole distance from the DEA camera.

As I said previously, the traffic is good for a ball-park figure. For example there are two vehicles circled in the image I posted. The first is a truck headed westbound on Army Navy Road. It passes in front of the Doubletree at 9:34:20, or 9-10 seconds after the impact even. The bus then passes the Doubletree at 9:36:15, or 124-125 seconds after impact. So, it can be reasonably asserted that at that point on the DEA footage, it is between 9 and 124 seconds after impact. The median is of course 58 seconds post-impact. In your analysis above, you arrive at 71 seconds which is assuming the bus did not stop at a bus stop or red-light along the way.

Here is the usefulness of this which seems to have escaped everyone. Using both vehicles, we have the camera turning towards the Pentagon between 1 and 1.25 minutes after impact. I provides a very good sky view of an area where CIT claims a C-130 was approaching over the ANC area and approached from the northeast, encountering the Pentagon area at around 3 minutes after impact. Does anyone see a C-130? CIT odd-ball C-130 path debunked.

Footnote: I happen to have videotaped my drive down Army Navy and reviewing that video, it took me one minute to cover the distance with a brief stop at a light.

 

[Mangoose]

I can say from my work synchronizing the Doubletree video with the Tribby video that the moment when the C-130 first appears in the Tribby video corresponds to 9:36:12 in the Doubletree video. The moment the bus passed in front of the Doubletree hotel (between 9:36:11 and 9:36:18) is thus during the short span when the C-130 was sighted by Tribby as it flew over the Navy Annex and ANC. Since the same bus was visible in the DEA video a minute or less earlier, and since the view almost immediately turned to the Pentagon and Rosslyn, it is thus certain that the DEA camera was looking towards the Pentagon and Rosslyn for some time prior to the arrival of the C-130.

There is a little dot though, you see it? It is gone though in the next frame, which it shouldn't if it were a real-world plane, especially since the view zooms in significantly in that frame. The careful eye should also spot two dots in the sky in the second frame (Zone 9), not just the one.

 

[Mangoose]

Footnote: I happen to have videotaped my drive down Army Navy and reviewing that video, it took me one minute to cover the distance with a brief stop at a light.

You were probably driving a little faster than a bus would; buses generally drive a little slower than the average speed of traffic, and this particular bus was going about 19 mph (approximately) when it passed the Doubletree.

 

[BCR]

See, I told you that bus would come in handy

 

[Trojan]

So it's another clip that doesn't show Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon. Is there a single video clip of that plane striking the Pentagon?

Would it matter, after 8 years we would just hear about why it was fake, after all, theNWO had all those years to perfect the technology they used on live telecasts ...

 

[leftysergeant]

Thd the short of it is that of all the video tapes siezed, few, very few, catch what happened at the front of the Pentagon as the plane impacted because nearly all of them were fixed on a sally point of the facility they monitored. Few, if any of them, recorded a streaming motion picture. Nearly all were, like the DEA tape and the Pentagon parking lot camera, stop-action.

Twoofers are demanding evidence which only the ignorant would think has to exist.

 

[twinstead]

Now wait. Truthers would NEVER demand evidence that they know full well cannot exist, would they?

 

[leftysergeant]

Twoofers seem to think that building owners and proprietors have enough interest in what goes on outside the perimeters of their premises to set cameras to watch empty expanses of lawn. People such as I would find this a rather unproductive way of spending money. Twoofers, for some odd reason, do not.

 

[BCR]

Twoofers are demanding evidence which only the ignorant would think has to exist.

Actually, there is something odd going on with the Pentagon videos. The video coverage from the Navy Annex is missing, and so it the Sheraton hotel footage. The DoD says that the FBI has it, the FBI denies having it. So maybe one day we'll have the complete video record.

 

[Baylor]

Is miscommunication like this really that extraordinary? I mean the CIA and FBI couldn't even share intel about terror suspects, and they're both part of the DoJ. So is a mix-up between the DoD and DoJ really that peculiar?

I mean, if you ask the DoD about Arlington security videos on 9/11, I'm sure they'd say something along the lines of "that was the FBI's job, not ours." Then those videos were among those that the FBI never seized.

 

[BCR]

Yeah, but these are DoD videos

 

[Baylor]

The Sheraton are a DoD videos?

 

[BCR]

No, but the Navy Annex are. Those are the one's I'm refering to in the case of DoD.

 

[Mangoose]

It would be nice to have the Sheraton video, although I think it would have caught nothing of interest. It was mounted on the 7th floor and was pointed downward to the auxiliary parking lot across the street or straight down to the driveway. Since its main purpose was probably to keep tabs on the auxiliary parking lot at a good distance way, the lens probably had a longish focal length and thus a narrower field of view.

 

[Pardalis]

We have to agree on two basic facts:

1- There was one event, something hit the Pentagon once.

2- The DNA of the passengers of Flight 77 was found all over the site.

What possible conclusion can there be?

Oops, you almost thought you had gotten away with it didn't you?

Please respond, Red.

 

[Sabrina]

Slight nitpick: CIA and FBI actually fall under DoD, not DoJ, Unloved Rebel. Other than that, I have no issues with the above.

ETA: Forgot the link that proves that; sorry! CLICK ME!

 

[Baylor]

Wait, what am I missing?

DOJ Agencies
Federal Bureau of Investigation - FBI

http://www.usdoj.gov/02organizations/02_1.html

 

[The Big Dog]

Slight nitpick: CIA and FBI actually fall under DoD, not DoJ, Unloved Rebel. Other than that, I have no issues with the above.

ETA: Forgot the link that proves that; sorry! CLICK ME!

Neither the CIA or FBI is under the DoD. In fact, having the FBI under the DoD would violate the The Posse Comitatus Act.