Merged DDWFTTW in a “Real” Wind

[ThinAirDesigns]

Ask SZ.

I don't need to ask Subductionzone to know a lie when I see one.

JB

 

[CORed]

SZ noted a contradiction in that character's work history.

Link?

SZ, do you have any comments on this assertion? Not that it's relevant, but I am curious as to whether humber is lying again.

 

[windgrins]

A waste of text! The intended audience is not home on this!

The energy gained from axial thrust on the propeller is greater than the energy expended to turn the propeller. Is that what you are referring to?

I don't think Humber will have a clue about what you are talking about here. He has never understood how energy is transferred into the cart so even asking him this question will leave him saying "Huh?" if he ever bothers reading it.

His buddy PPG/Harold/Yev is probably just as lost. I don't think either of them will ever understand this question.

WindGrins

 

[CORed]

"I thought you were at ...."
" I don't don't do much aero these days"
Ask SZ.

It's just funny that some emailed me because Spork gave them the opportunity.
However, if you put the money in a brown paper bag...

No link, and the alleged quotes do not support the assertion (nothing new about that). So, obviously a lie.

 

[humber]

Link?

SZ, do you have any comments on this assertion? Not that it's relevant, but I am curious as to whether humber is lying again.

Way back. He and SZ exchanged posts. SZ expressed surprise over the job.
You can ask him about that.

I don't need to worry at all about what you say because all the evidence I
need is in the NALSA data; and I have the TM cart.
The theory has been debunked, and does not fit the data anyway.
Three strikes.

The trial failures say a lot, and there is not one run that does not have large wind changes. That can't have been missed, but acknowledged as a means of getting away with cart that is a total failure.

 

[humber]

I don't think Humber will have a clue about what you are talking about here. He has never understood how energy is transferred into the cart so even asking him this question will leave him saying "Huh?" if he ever bothers reading it.

His buddy PPG/Harold/Yev is probably just as lost. I don't think either of them will ever understand this question.

WindGrins

I have done my time with that stuff, and I don't need to convince you.
To thwart all notions of frames of reference, I have made an electrical model and that will leave you lost, as you well know.

I don't need to ask Subductionzone to know a lie when I see one.
JB

As someone another board noted, you use "lie", a lot more than is ever found in defense of a technical matter.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I have done my time with that stuff, and I don't need to convince you.

This sounds an awful lot like "You're right - I haven't a clue, so I'm going to make a feeble excuse and change the subject".

To thwart all notions of frames of reference, I have made an electrical model and that will leave you lost, as you well know.

Wow. This is new. And hilarious. Humber is going to overturn basic principles of mechanics with an electrical model which he predicts will be incomprehensible. Genius.

So, is that to be unleashed on the world before or after the imaginary cart or the analysis for NALSA?

ETA: In all seriousness, humber, how are you going to accurately model the cart when you have no grasp of how it works?

 

[spork]

There will be no "surprise" because 'nothing of value' is both exactly what I expect from you and what will be. You've shown remarkable consistency in this regard.

I particularly enjoy the fact that the email address I posted was not actually humbers AND he received emails as a result of my posting it!

That's a lot like his broader theory that DDWFTTW is not possible AND we're going about it all wrong.

 

[windgrins]

a #41 in the works?

I have done my time with that stuff, and I don't need to convince you.

To thwart all notions of frames of reference, I have made an electrical model and that will leave you lost, as you well know.

Do I need to add a #41 to the list:

I'll transfer the problem poorly into an inappropriate domain and proceed to reason incorrectly from a bad model.

This is a new twist. I'll give you that. By all means, please proceed!

WindGrins

 

[CORed]

Way back. He and SZ exchanged posts. SZ expressed surprise over the job.

So we've gone from "shady character" to "found a discrepancy in his job history" to "Expressed surprise". The goalposts are moving at record speed.

You can ask him about that.

I did. He hasn't responded yet, but it really doesn't matter, because, true to form, you have refuted yourself.

I don't need to worry at all about what you say because all the evidence I
need is in the NALSA data; and I have the TM cart.
The theory has been debunked, and does not fit the data anyway.
Three strikes.

The trial failures say a lot, and there is not one run that does not have large wind changes. That can't have been missed, but acknowledged as a means of getting away with cart that is a total failure.

 

[windgrins]

Toss up!

Jack BTH,

I can't decide whether I like yours or mine better! They are both so appropriate:

Mine:

"I'll transform the problem poorly into an inappropriate domain and proceed to reason incorrectly from a bad model."

Yours-

This sounds an awful lot like "You're right - I haven't a clue, so I'm going to make a feeble excuse and change the subject".

Yours has the merit of broader applicability and I so like the essence of Humber in mine! I can't decide.

Shall we take a vote? Or maybe-pick both?

WindGrins

 

[Jack by the hedge]

In the spirit of mutual backslapping, I rather prefer yours. It has the feeling of an XKCD punchline. I shall certainly be imagining humber wearing it on a tee shirt when he delivers his electrical model monologue.

 

[windgrins]

Love this idea!

In the spirit of mutual backslapping, I rather prefer yours. It has the feeling of an XKCD punchline. I shall certainly be imagining humber wearing it on a tee shirt when he delivers his electrical model monologue.

I love the idea:





Regards,

WindGrins

 

[humber]

So we've gone from "shady character" to "found a discrepancy in his job history" to "Expressed surprise". The goalposts are moving at record speed.

I did. He hasn't responded yet, but it really doesn't matter, because, true to form, you have refuted yourself.

Could you be more obtuse? Ask SZ what he said. But, the real cause of your absurd bickering and reading of runes, is that it is clear to anyone, that the cart is nowhere near ddw, and that has resulted in the present reaction. I wonder why you are not asking Spork or JB to explain why the deliberately misled you?

60degrees? There are some more severe than that, but did not last long enough to steal a record, so went into the waste basket with the others. How long will it take before the penny drops?

 

[ThinAirDesigns]

Could you be more obtuse? Ask SZ what he said.

No reason to asked SZ - you lied plain and simple.

JB

 

[Subduction Zone]

Link?

SZ, do you have any comments on this assertion? Not that it's relevant, but I am curious as to whether humber is lying again.

I have no idea what humber is talking about. If anything he has shown extremely low reading comprehension in the past and over half the time when he has supplied a link to support his beliefs it does exactly the opposite, it shows that he is wrong. That is why he will say in a case like this that we have to dig up the quote to prove he isn't lying

 

[spork]

No reason to asked SZ - you lied plain and simple.

JB

Good point - two more items for the humberlist:

- "If in doubt - lie"
- "If there is no doubt - lie"

 

[humber]

I particularly enjoy the fact that the email address I posted was not actually humbers AND he received emails as a result of my posting it!

That's a lot like his broader theory that DDWFTTW is not possible AND we're going about it all wrong.

They are email addresses to which I have access, or did that not occur to you when Steve Smith passed one on to you ?

 

[humber]

No reason to asked SZ - you lied plain and simple.

JB

He probably won't post for a while so that he not obliged to answer the question. The cart is little else than fabrication, so the trials were likewise.

From all the failures and aborted trials, emerges Cinderella.

 

[Llyricist]

He probably won't post for a while so that he not obliged to answer the question. The cart is little else than fabrication, so the trials were likewise.

From all the failures and aborted trials, emerges Cinderella.

oh wow