Dawkins's comments re: tsunami disaster

CFLarsen said:
However, that renders the prediction worthless, and nothing but a waste of everybody's time.


Glad you hear your opinion. Then you'll quit wasting your time on me then? Glad to hear it! I remain skeptical though...


And you have the audacity to claim that you didn't want other people to do your homework?


That is correct. Since I didn't actually asked or told people to do and work for me, it is your opinion that is at odds with reality.


ever engaging in anything, always leaving it up to others, then criticizing them for not doing what he wants.


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CFLarsen said:

Call it what you like. You still haven't provided any evidence of your claim.


I didn't make any claim, PseudoSkeptic.


I do not "follow" Randi.


Sure.

On one hand you demand me to debate. On the other you demand me to "shut up". Make up your mind...
 
BillHoyt said:
10 billion flies can't be wrong.
Niether, I suppose, can be the many thousands who probably offered fruitless prayers before being swept to oblivion.
 
jzs said:
Wrong again. I didn't make a claim. I didn't claim that religious organizations donate more than atheist organizations. I made a prediciton that the religious organizations will donate more than atheist organizations.

Let's get this straight. You say a "prediction" is not a "claim", when in fact a "prediction" is something of the form that "I claim that 'x' will happen". You can replace "claim" with think, or pretty much what you like, but the point is clear, you are making a claim as to future outcome when you make a prediction.

If you redefine the langauge to suit yourself, don't be surprised when the rest of us are unable to understand your private language.

You made a claim, in the form of a prediction. You won't support it. We reject your claim, and ask you for evidence. You refuse to give evidence, and attempt to shift the burden.

Meanwhile, your original statement stands as an implication that atheists are selfish cheapskates.

That is, clearly, what the IMPLICATION of your original claim in the form of a prediction is.

Your performance after that point has demonstrated that you will attempt to redefine your way out, you will call Claus names, you will insist that you didn't do what you clearly did, that you wouldn't insult what you claim to be even though you clearly have, and so on.

Your arguments are specious, and appear malicious, as well as intended to sway people who are less familiar with the implicit and explicit misdirection in your propaganda toward the implications of your original prediction.
 
You used the quote function properly j^2! :clap:

jj said:
Let's get this straight. You say a "prediction" is not a "claim",


That's right. I'm not claiming to be able to actually see the future. I'm guessing.


If you redefine the langauge to suit yourself, don't be surprised when the rest of us are unable to understand your private language.


I'm never surprised when "the rest of us" (ie. you and Claus) don't understand.


You made a claim,


Repeating yourself
And so very incorrect
Dude, no claim was made


Meanwhile, your original statement stands as an implication that atheists are selfish cheapskates.


I never stated that. You are really out in left field j^2.


That is, clearly, what the IMPLICATION of your original claim in the form of a prediction is.


That is clearly YOUR OPINION/INTERPRETATION of what I actually did say.


Your performance after that point has demonstrated that you will attempt to redefine your way out, you will call Claus names,


Report me then. Go ahead. You aren't stupid; you know Claus and many others do the same thing. I take it you have beef with all of them too...


Your arguments are specious, and appear malicious,


Your comments are in fact malicious since you are presenting your bs interpretation to make it look like I said what you claim I did. How about that j^2?

Now, if you don't mind, quit wasting my time.
 
jzs said:
You used the quote function properly j^2! :clap:


Ad hom.


That's right. I'm not claiming to be able to actually see the future. I'm guessing.


Therein making a claim about the future with your guess. A claim is a claim, no matter how many times you try to avoid that fact.

The nature and presentment of your claim, as well, shows your agenda full well.


I never stated that. You are really out in left field j^2.


Pathetic, outright baiting ad-hom. I thought you were complaining about people making fun of your name.

Hypocrite!


Your comments are in fact malicious since you are presenting your bs interpretation to make it look like I said what you claim I did. How about that j^2?


That is a foolish, illogical, childish statement.


Now, if you don't mind, quit wasting my time.

I'm not responsible for the fact that you use a private language of your own. If you want to cry about how your claim to future knowlege, your prediction, is not a claim to future knowledge, well, then, that's your problem.

You made a prediction.

This is your prediction:

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I'll predict that the contributions from religious groups ("churches, mosques and synagogues") will be more than the contributions from the atheist groups.
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That's not a guess, that's a claim to future knowledge. You didn't say "guess" you said PREDICT. A prediction is a claim to future knowledge. Furthermore, you have already stipulated that your claim to future knowlege was incorrectly phrased. I quote:

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Well I meant based on percentages
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But that's not what you said, and even "percentages" is a handwave. Percentage of what? Wealth in church vs. atheist organization hands? Percentage per capita?

It's just like every claim you make, it's vague, and set up so that when caught and challenged, you can run to some other interpretation.

When you make a claim to future knowledge (i.e. prediction, i.e. a statement that uses the word "predict") it is encumbent on you to phrase it in a fashion that is clear, concise, and understandable. You've failed that several times, now.

Of course, as apologia, you offer the following:
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Dawkins's argument is that religion is the reason why there is no system in place. Why not say that politics and government are the cause for that? Hm?
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Showing several faults. First, Dawkins refers to tax law and money, not to churchs, so your claim of what Dawkins said is suborned. Second, in referring to tax breaks, Dawkins implicitly includes politics and government as part of the preferential treatment that churches get over science. Finally, since he did imply that politics and government were involved by the mere mention of taxes, well, your "hm" us pure, malignant grandstanding.

Claus is right about you. You leap from vague statement to vague statement, trying to semantically argue yourself out of it when your attempts at suborned logic and rhetorical fallacies fail.

Finally, you refuse to accept the bald, evident fact that atheists have nothing in common other than a lack of belief, be it in gods, moons made of green cheese, or invisible pink unicorns. An atheist has no more in common with another atheist than an a-green-cheesist has in common with another a-green-cheesist.

Your deliberate atttempts to provoke are documented in here in quotes, in order to preserve your obvious malice.
 


No j^2, it is a fact: you actually did use the quote function correctly. Good job!


Therein making a claim about the future with your guess. A claim is a claim, no matter how many times you try to avoid that fact.


Nope. I'm not claiming to be able to actually see the future. I'm guessing, and in fact allow that I could be wrong. I'm not claiming the future will be this or that way.


The nature and presentment of your claim, as well, shows your agenda full well.


So what is my agenda j^2? Am I out to get atheists? Nope, I am one. Am I out to get skeptics? Nope, I am one. Am I out to make people do my work? Nope, I just made a prediction. Am I out to get this board? Nope, a regular contributer in various threads and will donate $ to JREF once I get my hiring bonus. Do share your theories please.


Pathetic, outright baiting ad-hom.


Why don't your write one of those non-baiting haikus and tell us all about it...


You made a prediction.


Yes, I agree.


That's not a guess, that's a claim to future knowledge.


It is a prediction, a forecast, not a claim of how things will be in the future.


But that's not what you said, and even "percentages" is a handwave. Percentage of what? Wealth in church vs. atheist organization hands? Percentage per capita?


To be more specific, I added "percentages" because a poster replied that well there are more relgious, so of course there will be more religious dollars. Well duh! So we have to base it on percentages, not the raw number. So we could look at $donated / (total number of people in the organizations), for example.


It's just like every claim you make, it's vague, and set up so that when caught and challenged, you can run to some other interpretation.


When you catch and challenge me, please alert me. As of now, you most certainly have done neither.


Finally, you refuse to accept the bald, evident fact that atheists have nothing in common other than a lack of belief, be it in gods,


WTF? You have things backwards. YOU are the one who denies that atheists share anything. Want me to pull up the thread, j^2?


Your deliberate atttempts to provoke are documented in here in quotes, in order to preserve your obvious malice.


Oh you frighten me j^2 :rolleyes: Report me to the mods if you are so concerned. You act like you are all innocent, that you never provoke others, engage in rhetoric, etc. Pathetic.

When you're done blowing smoke, feel free to talk to me.
 
Well, JZS, you use your own private language, baldfacedly insist that you didn't do what you did, and then whine "foul" when somebody points it out. You engage in repeated ad-hominem, you won't support your own claims, in fact you won't even take responsibility for making them, you can't phrase them unambiguously, ... The list is growing every time you have the courage to actually touch your keyboard.

What more is there to be said. That's addressing your ACTIONS, not you, it's not making fun of your name, it's simply stating the facts as I see them.
 
jzs said:
Oh you frighten me j^2 :rolleyes: Report me to the mods if you are so concerned. You act like you are all innocent, that you never provoke others, engage in rhetoric, etc. Pathetic.
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Let's see here. When we were discussing things a while ago in what is alleged to be your prior identity here, I got reprimanded for playing with your name, after somebody whined about it.

We shall see, now, if you get to do what I was reprimanded for doing.
 
jj said:
Well, JZS, you use your own private language,


Wrong j<sup>2. The language is English. Feel free to show me any dictionary that defines a prediction as a claim.

Most say something like: a prediction is the forming of an opinion about the future. And, as I've mentioned many times, that is the meaning which I am using.


You engage in repeated ad-hominem,


Report me then and/or go write me a haiku about it...
 
jzs said:
Nice to know, t<sup>han<sup>ks! :)
that <sup> is <sup> okay </sup><sub> but <sub> you <sub> need </sub><sup> to <sup> cancel <sup> the <sup> functions </sup><sub> if <sub> you <sub> are <sub> going <sub> to <sub> do <sub> them <sub> properly </sub>


B<sub>i<sub>l<sub>l<sub>y</sub><sup>J<sup>o<sup>e</sup>
 
BillyJoe said:
that <sup> is <sup> okay </sup><sub> but <sub> you <sub> need </sub><sup> to <sup> cancel <sup> the <sup> functions </sup><sub> if <sub> you <sub> are <sub> going <sub> to <sub> do <sub> them <sub> properly </sub>


B<sub>i<sub>l<sub>l<sub>y</sub><sup>J<sup>o<sup>e</sup>

Oops! Thanks again. :)
 
jj said:
Let's get this straight. You say a "prediction" is not a "claim", when in fact a "prediction" is something of the form that "I claim that 'x' will happen". You can replace "claim" with think, or pretty much what you like, but the point is clear, you are making a claim as to future outcome when you make a prediction.

If you redefine the langauge to suit yourself, don't be surprised when the rest of us are unable to understand your private language.

You made a claim, in the form of a prediction. You won't support it. We reject your claim, and ask you for evidence. You refuse to give evidence, and attempt to shift the burden.

Meanwhile, your original statement stands as an implication that atheists are selfish cheapskates.

That is, clearly, what the IMPLICATION of your original claim in the form of a prediction is.

Your performance after that point has demonstrated that you will attempt to redefine your way out, you will call Claus names, you will insist that you didn't do what you clearly did, that you wouldn't insult what you claim to be even though you clearly have, and so on.

Your arguments are specious, and appear malicious, as well as intended to sway people who are less familiar with the implicit and explicit misdirection in your propaganda toward the implications of your original prediction.

Well said.
 
jzs said:
That's right. I'm not claiming to be able to actually see the future. I'm guessing.

You made a prediction.

jzs said:
I'm never surprised when "the rest of us" (ie. you and Claus) don't understand.

And it just has to be the others who don't understand.

jzs said:
Report me then. Go ahead.

Namecalling is not against the rules. You benefit from that, more than most.
 
jj said:
Claus is right about you. You leap from vague statement to vague statement, trying to semantically argue yourself out of it when your attempts at suborned logic and rhetorical fallacies fail.

Finally, you refuse to accept the bald, evident fact that atheists have nothing in common other than a lack of belief, be it in gods, moons made of green cheese, or invisible pink unicorns. An atheist has no more in common with another atheist than an a-green-cheesist has in common with another a-green-cheesist.

Your deliberate atttempts to provoke are documented in here in quotes, in order to preserve your obvious malice.

Very well said.
 
jzs said:
So what is my agenda j^2? Am I out to get atheists? Nope, I am one. Am I out to get skeptics? Nope, I am one. Am I out to make people do my work? Nope, I just made a prediction. Am I out to get this board? Nope, a regular contributer in various threads and will donate $ to JREF once I get my hiring bonus. Do share your theories please.

First, no, you are not a skeptic.

Second, it is extremely telling that you explain what you are not doing here. What is your purpose of being here?

jzs said:
It is a prediction, a forecast, not a claim of how things will be in the future.

Same thing:

Forecast
1 a : to calculate or predict (some future event or condition) usually as a result of study and analysis of available pertinent data; especially : to predict (weather conditions) on the basis of correlated meteorological observations b : to indicate as likely to occur
2 : to serve as a forecast of : PRESAGE <such events may forecast peace>
intransitive senses : to calculate the future
synonym see FORETELL

Prediction
1 : an act of predicting
2 : something that is predicted : FORECAST
Source: Webster.

Redefine the English language all you like. But stop complaining that people not "understanding".

jzs said:
To be more specific, I added "percentages" because a poster replied that well there are more relgious, so of course there will be more religious dollars. Well duh! So we have to base it on percentages, not the raw number. So we could look at $donated / (total number of people in the organizations), for example.

"We"? You.

jzs said:
Oh you frighten me j^2 :rolleyes: Report me to the mods if you are so concerned. You act like you are all innocent, that you never provoke others, engage in rhetoric, etc. Pathetic.

When you're done blowing smoke, feel free to talk to me.

It is blatantly clear that you are the one blowing smoke. And not from your mouth.
 

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