David Tamihere

[Samson]

Showing my childhood upbringing a bit too much but half the cars around could be broken into with a coat hanger and some ripping up the ignition in the late 80's. So considering I could start my sister's Morris from the 70s with a two cent piece I'm thinking it's feasable

What is concerning is the police hotwiring the NZ people.

Wallace James Bolton
Arthur Thomas
David Tamihere
Teina Pora
David Bain
John Barlowe
Scott Watson
Mark Lundy
Ewen MacDonald

!3 prosecutions and a collective 118 years jail.
One only of the nine above is guilty.

 

[The Atheist]

What is concerning is the police hotwiring the NZ people.

Wallace James Bolton
Arthur Thomas
David Tamihere
Teina Pora
David Bain
John Barlowe
Scott Watson
Mark Lundy
Ewen MacDonald

!3 prosecutions and a collective 118 years jail.
One only of the nine above is guilty.

I'd have it like this:

Wallace James Bolton - who?
Arthur Thomas - not necessarily innocent
David Tamihere - probably innocent, but who cares
Teina Pora - definitely innocent
David Bain - definitely guilty
John Barlowe - definitely guilty
Scott Watson - don't know
Mark Lundy - definitely innocent
Ewen MacDonald - definitely innocent

 

[Samson]

I'd have it like this:

Wallace James Bolton - who?
Arthur Thomas - not necessarily innocent
David Tamihere - probably innocent, but who cares
Teina Pora - definitely innocent
David Bain - definitely guilty
John Barlowe - definitely guilty
Scott Watson - don't know
Mark Lundy - definitely innocent
Ewen MacDonald - definitely innocent

I would like to state a truism to help you in your bewilderment Atheist.

Writing a work of non fiction requires extensive research, and under normal circumstances the writer will get closer to the truth.

I see no point in theorising about these cases without reading the books that have been written.
I recommend

Trial by Ambush. Sir Joe Karam
Missing pieces. (tamihere) Ian Wishart
Who killed Scott Guy? Mike White.
The Scene of the Crime (Mark Lundy) Steve Braunias.

10 bodies, six prosecutions, about 15 destroyed families, including children who the cops have lied to, in telling them their fathers brothers and sons are ruthless killers.
5 killers on the run with the police files closed.

Of course none of that matters until it is your son...

 

[cullennz]

I'd have it like this:

Wallace James Bolton - who?
Arthur Thomas - not necessarily innocent
David Tamihere - probably innocent, but who cares
Teina Pora - definitely innocent
David Bain - definitely guilty
John Barlowe - definitely guilty
Scott Watson - don't know
Mark Lundy - definitely innocent
Ewen MacDonald - definitely innocent

Ewan McDonald?

The geezer is a proven saddistic nutter who has been banned from going to the nth island

 

[smartcooky]

Ewan McDonald?

The geezer is a proven saddistic nutter who has been banned from going to the nth island

...but innocent of the crime if which he was accused, and free only because the jury had the good sense to see through the veil of fabrications put up by the Police and the prosecutors.

I will never understand why the Police and the Crown proceeded with a case they must have known that they could not possibly win once the exculpatory evidence of the time of the shooting was made public and could no longer be suppressed the way they had with the evidence of the time of the shooting in the AA Thomas case.

As for Tamihere, he was a career criminal anyway, so I am more concerned that if he didn't do it, then that means the killer(s) of the Swedish couple is/are still at large.

 

[Samson]

...but innocent of the crime if which he was accused, and free only because the jury had the good sense to see through the veil of fabrications put up by the Police and the prosecutors.

I will never understand why the Police and the Crown proceeded with a case they must have known that they could not possibly win once the exculpatory evidence of the time of the shooting was made public and could no longer be suppressed the way they had with the evidence of the time of the shooting in the AA Thomas case.

As for Tamihere, he was a career criminal anyway, so I am more concerned that if he didn't do it, then that means the killer(s) of the Swedish couple is/are still at large.

Wishart makes a compelling case for Huia George Foley. He was very strong, mentally unstable, and in the area. There is a conclusive sighting of the white Subaru with the Swedes' possessions in it 100 meters from Urban's body at the right time. Foley was challenged by his cousin later, and he said "they will never find her body".
Tamihere proved he opened the car with 8 wire, which is pointless if he was with them. Foley almost decapitated Hoglin sawing with a knife, and gave up. This was after he was dead, proven.
David Tamihere is very bad but did not do this crime. These Swedes and their possessions were attended to by two bad men. This is a coincidence but nothing more. Once Foley abandoned the car with their possession still inside, Tamihere took over. He took tourists on a tiki tour in it for a couple of days in exchange for food and a motel room, value $12, then drove it to Auckland and abandoned it. Clearly his gene stock has high basic intelligence. People who think it is a doddle to become a cabinet minister are wrong, though I think Judith Collins has achieved it by blackmailing Key.
David Tamihere forewent parole for 10 years because he would not confess to another man's crime. The team of John Hughes and David Morris, lead investigator and prosecutor, shamelessly and with much malice aforethought reprised their disgraceful behaviour with Arthur Thomas, by flatly lying to everybody who got anywhere near the case. It is a very good book, I will ask Wishart a few questions, particularly about any mooted alibi for Foley.
By the way Crosby's clearing and the two there are out in any theory, including a possible Tamihere crime. That alone should explain why they are so confident to keep doing it.
The promotion to district commander for Sue Schwalger after telling an 8 year old MacDonald child her father was a cold blooded killer when she knew this was false is just one more purulent abcess on its way to being lanced.
Believe it.

Try it as ebook and see what you think.

 

[The Atheist]

I would like to state a truism to help you in your bewilderment Atheist.

No bewilderment at all.

We just disagree on some conclusions. None of which matters as we have no say in it.

 

[cullennz]

Collins blackmailing Key?

Lol

 

[Samson]

Collins blackmailing Key?

Lol

People closer to these people than me see no real alternative to explaining dragging that monster back to reek more havoc.

 

[The Atheist]

People closer to these people than me see no real alternative to explaining dragging that monster back to reek more havoc.

They're dreaming.

The reason Collins got back in is simply down to the paucity of talent in National. Some of the BYM* Key gave his seal of approval to have been abject failures and he doesn't have any choice.

He had to do something to Corrections and there is nobody else.

Besides which, having Crusher there stops the emphasis on the appalling mess Corrections is in and instead focuses on her.

*Bright Young Men.

 

[cullennz]

They're dreaming.

The reason Collins got back in is simply down to the paucity of talent in National. Some of the BYM* Key gave his seal of approval to have been abject failures and he doesn't have any choice.

He had to do something to Corrections and there is nobody else.

Besides which, having Crusher there stops the emphasis on the appalling mess Corrections is in and instead focuses on her.

*Bright Young Men.

TBF she is actually quite good when not trying to screw people

 

[Samson]

They're dreaming.

The reason Collins got back in is simply down to the paucity of talent in National. Some of the BYM* Key gave his seal of approval to have been abject failures and he doesn't have any choice.

He had to do something to Corrections and there is nobody else.

Besides which, having Crusher there stops the emphasis on the appalling mess Corrections is in and instead focuses on her.

*Bright Young Men.

Collins is an international object of ridicule. Jurist Binnie perfectly understood that David Bain could neither expect his dad to ignore his 6 32 alarm or comply with being shot at point blank range at an angle that is exactly coincident with a man grasping a rifle with his right hand, locating the butt on the floor and leaning his left temple to the silencer, and pushing trigger with left thumb.

 

[cullennz]

Collins is an international object of ridicule. Jurist Binnie perfectly understood that David Bain could neither expect his dad to ignore his 6 32 alarm or comply with being shot at point blank range at an angle that is exactly coincident with a man grasping a rifle with his right hand, locating the butt on the floor and leaning his left temple to the silencer, and pushing trigger with left thumb.

Not sure about that. With all due respect to Binnie he went way out of his remit

 

[cullennz]

Collins is an international object of ridicule. Jurist Binnie perfectly understood that David Bain could neither expect his dad to ignore his 6 32 alarm or comply with being shot at point blank range at an angle that is exactly coincident with a man grasping a rifle with his right hand, locating the butt on the floor and leaning his left temple to the silencer, and pushing trigger with left thumb.

And your gun set up is still grasping at straws.

 

[Samson]

And your gun set up is still grasping at straws.

It is not my gun set up. Robin Bain shot himself that way. I am here to report it. The facts never change and opinions are completely irrelevant.

 

[Samson]

I bet this aging New Zealander gives not a flying expletive for the egregious crimes of the police in his backyard. Sorry Collin Meads, maybe you will begin to comprehend how near at hand the crap begins.
I will send him a detailed explanation of how the police operate, despite his grief. Maybe he will become educated.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11642708

 

[The Atheist]

TBF she is actually quite good when not trying to screw people

That too.

She's hard-nosed and doesn't care whose feet she stands on. Probably the only person capable of taking on Corrections at that stage, but the improvement had better carry through - National has screwed the department up royally.

Collins is an international object of ridicule.

That is patently absurd.

I hate the woman, her party, and everything she stands for, from the corruption around to Synlait to the fact that's she's a conniving, self-serving, devious Tory bitch.

However, I can still see the facts, and they are - as Cully says - that she is a strong, effective cabinet minister with a good international reputation.

The fact that a few Yanks and people posting at Injustice Anywhere don't like her is not "an international object of ridicule".

If you believe your own words there, you are dead-set deluding yourself.

It is not my gun set up. Robin Bain shot himself that way. I am here to report it. The facts never change and opinions are completely irrelevant.

Holy crap, I really hope you see the irony in that one day.

If we use the word "fact" correctly, there is only one piece of evidence of Robin's death that meets the term.

He died from a single .22 bullet to the head, including point and angle of entry.

That's it. EVERYTHING else is opinion.

 

[Samson]

That too.

She's hard-nosed and doesn't care whose feet she stands on. Probably the only person capable of taking on Corrections at that stage, but the improvement had better carry through - National has screwed the department up royally.



That is patently absurd.

I hate the woman, her party, and everything she stands for, from the corruption around to Synlait to the fact that's she's a conniving, self-serving, devious Tory bitch.

However, I can still see the facts, and they are - as Cully says - that she is a strong, effective cabinet minister with a good international reputation.

The fact that a few Yanks and people posting at Injustice Anywhere don't like her is not "an international object of ridicule".

If you believe your own words there, you are dead-set deluding yourself.





Holy crap, I really hope you see the irony in that one day.

If we use the word "fact" correctly, there is only one piece of evidence of Robin's death that meets the term.

He died from a single .22 bullet to the head, including point and angle of entry.

That's it. EVERYTHING else is opinion.

Opinion will not replace fact. Facts are immutable, opinions mutable.
Modal logic will help with your confusion.

 

[The Atheist]

Opinion will not replace fact. Facts are immutable, opinions mutable.

Now that you realise that you should stop posting assumptions and opinions as facts.

As you say, facts are immutable, and therefore provable by evidence.

There is no evidence that proves Robin shot himself. There is evidence that could suggest it to the gullible, but nothing like exculpatory evidence for David.

Anyway, this is in the wrong thread, but since there's only us in it, let's hope nobody cries!

 

[Samson]

Now that you realise that you should stop posting assumptions and opinions as facts.

As you say, facts are immutable, and therefore provable by evidence.

There is no evidence that proves Robin shot himself. There is evidence that could suggest it to the gullible, but nothing like exculpatory evidence for David.

Anyway, this is in the wrong thread, but since there's only us in it, let's hope nobody cries!

Actually I am gonna write a book. It will cover the nine cases and name the main players. It will be based on court testimony and original scene analysis. I will mail it to every household in New Zealand including the caravan park in Avondale the Chinese bought and are throwing the residents on the street.
It will include Alec Dempster saying there was contact between the end of the silencer and Robin Bain's left temple, based on what he saw an hour after the murders. The crime scene is immediately solved.