David Tamihere
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Sure just the facts. 8 or 9 million should do the job, a bit of crowd funding. Any ideas welcome.
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Good luck with that - I can't see it being a big seller.
You mean the Alex Dempster who said that suicide was unlikely, verging on the impossible, given the circumstances of the evidence?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2321324/Bain-trial-Robins-head-wound-unusual
Yep that dood. Like Pang said definitely 7pm then any time in a 13 hour period.
You see it depends on what the filth want.
Which rather misses two important points, this is the beginning of the slippery slope of police misconduct. It starts with 'well if they didn't commit this crime they probably deserve it for something else they did' and ends at 'well they looked guilty to me'.
Secondly if Tamihere didn't commit the crime you have an actual murderer wandering around with the knowledge that they got away with it.
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Oh, I'm not suggesting they be forgiven or anything.
It's just that when faced with appalling miscarriages like Lundy, it almost sullies his case to be seen to be backing Tamihere, because he is a scumbag and has always been a scumbag and could never have any public sympathy.
Along with the murderers of Mona Blades, Tracey Patient, Olive Walker, Jayne Furlong, Chris & Cru Kahui, Amber & Christine Lundy, Scott Guy and lots of others.
I'm past caring about that side of it.
I am getting reports witness C that scored life for Tamihere is the same man as witness X that put Lundy away again last year.
That will be interesting to say the least. Both men are innocent.
John Hughes organised the first, Grantham and Kelly the second.
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Now, that would be major news.
Is this able to be confirmed?
If so, it would point to the pigs being lower than... I can't even think of a metaphor.
It turns out that Phil Taylor wrote this headline
Witness C must be the type that people can't help but bare their soul to. He has claimed that two men convicted in separate infamous murder cases confessed to him.
The jailhouse informant faces a private perjury prosecution filed this month that accuses him of giving false testimony at David Tamihere's trial for the murders of Swedish backpacker Heidi Paakkonen and her fiance Sven Urban Hoglin.
The Herald can now reveal the same prisoner claimed Mark Lundy confessed to him too.
However this shows not that witness C and witness X from 2015 are the same person, but that witness C was the first snitch Palmerston North constabulary tried to employ to lock up Lundy.
What we learn is they found a new and different man for the 2015 trial.
Here is the link and it must be read with care to understand what the hell is going on.
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11639110
I believe Arthur Taylor is well known to Fixit who has just joined the forum.
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Ok, gotcha - I read your post that his evidence had been used, but it wasn't.
Fixit a friend of Arthur Taylor - that is interesting. Resourceful bloke, Taylor.
Fixit a friend of Arthur Taylor - that is interesting. Resourceful bloke, Taylor.
I get that from his blog as Nostalgia-NZ...
It may or may not surprise that David Tamihere slots neatly into the series of difficult cases that fail the logic test.
1. A far better candidate, Huia George Foley, who had no alibi, and who confessed independently to at least two people, one on his (proverbial) death bed he did it, and to another accuser he failed to deny it, by saying they will never find her body.
2. An attempt to saw off the dead man's head was pointless. Pathologists could show he was stabbed to death. On the other hand Tamihere operated with logic and good intelligence. He comes from a well performing family. Foley, after the event, drove close to a truck, stuck his arm out and it was ripped off. Unhinged. He had anxious demeanour after the homicides, Tamihere cool as, driving tourists around Coromandel delivering a sane and educated geographical narrative while driving the Swedes' car.
3. Tamihere clearly broke into the car, as shown by the fact he could replicate the difficult maneouver with no 8 wire after being arrested. Any theory suggesting he killed them precluded the need for him to break in. Car conversions were his "stock in trade". He found keys in the glove box by his testimony.
4. Their belongings were found in a place that implicated him if the people were found to be victims of foul play. Does not sound like our David.
5. Everything he did with the car and belongings was traceable back to him. If they were still alive, the car theft would never have been investigated by police, so he pawning their goods at harmony house in K road made sense only for a petty thief, never a double killer.
6. The sighting in Crosby's clearing the prosecution relied on was impossible for the reasonable man. Two trampers alleged to have spoken for 11 full minutes to a man, and a woman remaining silent, after the man had raped and murdered her boyfriend, and raped her. Ridiculous even to a Stockholm syndrome student.
Yes the COA used this last point 6 and thus witness C to deny his appeal. This is okay though, because that is COA's job, to patch together the best of trial into an ungainly essay in fantasy.
The above is to give context to this secret witness business. Frame, frame, and frame again. Oh will the state's hands ne'er be clean?
1. A far better candidate, Huia George Foley, who had no alibi, and who confessed independently to at least two people, one on his (proverbial) death bed he did it, and to another accuser he failed to deny it, by saying they will never find her body.
2. An attempt to saw off the dead man's head was pointless. Pathologists could show he was stabbed to death. On the other hand Tamihere operated with logic and good intelligence. He comes from a well performing family. Foley, after the event, drove close to a truck, stuck his arm out and it was ripped off. Unhinged. He had anxious demeanour after the homicides, Tamihere cool as, driving tourists around Coromandel delivering a sane and educated geographical narrative while driving the Swedes' car.
3. Tamihere clearly broke into the car, as shown by the fact he could replicate the difficult maneouver with no 8 wire after being arrested. Any theory suggesting he killed them precluded the need for him to break in. Car conversions were his "stock in trade". He found keys in the glove box by his testimony.
4. Their belongings were found in a place that implicated him if the people were found to be victims of foul play. Does not sound like our David.
5. Everything he did with the car and belongings was traceable back to him. If they were still alive, the car theft would never have been investigated by police, so he pawning their goods at harmony house in K road made sense only for a petty thief, never a double killer.
6. The sighting in Crosby's clearing the prosecution relied on was impossible for the reasonable man. Two trampers alleged to have spoken for 11 full minutes to a man, and a woman remaining silent, after the man had raped and murdered her boyfriend, and raped her. Ridiculous even to a Stockholm syndrome student.
Yes the COA used this last point 6 and thus witness C to deny his appeal. This is okay though, because that is COA's job, to patch together the best of trial into an ungainly essay in fantasy.
The above is to give context to this secret witness business. Frame, frame, and frame again. Oh will the state's hands ne'er be clean?
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Why thank you. MacBeth 5th form. I'm sure you remember.
I think it is useful to go case by case, and frankly, Wishart's book on this one is outstanding.
The last letter home brought real tears. (almost)
A couple of songs have been......
Chris de Burgh - Missing You, Eric Carmen - Make Me Lose Control, Moody Blues - I Know You're Out There Somewhere....
"Until we meet again...Urban & Heidi"
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And here is how the crooked police are laying waste to community
https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/relative-guilt-1999
https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/relative-guilt-1999
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Cor, do I ever. Made a profound impression on me, that play did.
We went to see the Roman Polanski version when I was 15 and the naked Lady MacBeth scene is still burned into my memory banks.
Stopped clocks are right twice a day - he gets no points from being able to be smarter than cops.
I wonder if his brother being such a huge, whining tosser has anything to do with public opinion on Tamihere. There were rape allegations against John that turned out to be fabricated. Someone must've broken a couple of mirrors.
15 year old. A naked Francesca Annis. That's gonna be memorable alright.
I have a strange compulsion to trawl the media for more on these cases. For example
One of the last people to see Ms Paakkonen alive, Mel Knauf, last night said he was still haunted by the killings, and still wondered what might have happened if he had been more observant.
He and another tramper saw Ms Paakkonen and a man identified as Tamihere in a bush clearing. "I've tortured myself for a long time about this. But it's a dead end."
The 64-year-old said he wished Tamihere would say where Ms Paakkonen's body was hidden.
"If there was one justice that should have been done it was saying that we'll let you go, but only if you will tell us where Heidi is. Her family are still grieving. They've got no closure."
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10685217
The odd thing is this man never saw Heidi Paakkonen. Detective John Hughes manufactured the sighting by a 7 step process. I will log it when Wishart finally gets my ebook to me.
The Tamihere case is at the hub of a wheel, looking backwards forwards and sideways to our police force's least glorious moments.
One of the last people to see Ms Paakkonen alive, Mel Knauf, last night said he was still haunted by the killings, and still wondered what might have happened if he had been more observant.
He and another tramper saw Ms Paakkonen and a man identified as Tamihere in a bush clearing. "I've tortured myself for a long time about this. But it's a dead end."
The 64-year-old said he wished Tamihere would say where Ms Paakkonen's body was hidden.
"If there was one justice that should have been done it was saying that we'll let you go, but only if you will tell us where Heidi is. Her family are still grieving. They've got no closure."
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10685217
The odd thing is this man never saw Heidi Paakkonen. Detective John Hughes manufactured the sighting by a 7 step process. I will log it when Wishart finally gets my ebook to me.
The Tamihere case is at the hub of a wheel, looking backwards forwards and sideways to our police force's least glorious moments.
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Depending on which US state you live about 35 to 40% of the murder are never solved IIRC.
The killer's family tried to interest the police but they wanted Tamihere. They knew they could get the case over the line with his form for manslaughter and rape.
But he did not do that crime and Huia George Foley remained at large. He deliberately drove by a truck, stuck his arm out, and it detached, soon after he killed the Swedes. He tried to saw Hoglin's head from his dead body at the scene, he was an unbalanced player in this grisly crime.
But he did not do that crime and Huia George Foley remained at large. He deliberately drove by a truck, stuck his arm out, and it detached, soon after he killed the Swedes. He tried to saw Hoglin's head from his dead body at the scene, he was an unbalanced player in this grisly crime.
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