Darlie Routier

[wasapi]

Most of these American true crime shows seem to be accurate. They mostly seem to be about people who have murdered their partners in an acrimonious divorce for the life insurance and custody of the children, and who get life without parole.

Those TV shows about the Darlie Routier case seem to be fair and just. (snip)

Seem to be accurate? On what are you basing that opinion? I have seen many true crime shows that are so unfairly slanted to try and show a person who has been found guilty look as if their sentence was wrong.

Susan Sarandon is one of the worst. Her documentaries are simply so biased, so slanted, that they are difficult to sit through. Including the one about Routier.

As I have said before, I have followed this case since day-one for a variety of reasons. I am well aware her husband is an idiot, stupid, a con-artist, and all around jerk.

But he didn't stab his boys. Darlie did.

 

[Henri McPhee]

Seem to be accurate? On what are you basing that opinion? I have seen many true crime shows that are so unfairly slanted to try and show a person who has been found guilty look as if their sentence was wrong.

Susan Sarandon is one of the worst. Her documentaries are simply so biased, so slanted, that they are difficult to sit through. Including the one about Routier.

As I have said before, I have followed this case since day-one for a variety of reasons. I am well aware her husband is an idiot, stupid, a con-artist, and all around jerk.

But he didn't stab his boys. Darlie did.

Evidence?

 

[Henri McPhee]

I still think the Darlie Routier case is an unsafe verdict.

 

[Desert Fox]

I still think the Darlie Routier case is an unsafe verdict.

Even if you consider that she is guilty, there seems to be quite a bit of doubt. I have doubts and more squeamish than usual about the possibility of execution.

 

[wasapi]

https://hubpages.com/politics/The-State-of-Texas-v-Darlie-Routier-A-Clear-Cased-of-Guilt

A very well written, well researched article about the case, and details the DNA evidence. The latest DNA testing was about two years ago.

I do want to say that the article is a fairly long read, but anyone following the case, or having an interest, will find it an interesting overview.

After reading it, I am still completely sure of her guilt. I'm sure some will disagree!

 

[Sinsaint]

https://hubpages.com/politics/The-State-of-Texas-v-Darlie-Routier-A-Clear-Cased-of-Guilt

A very well written, well researched article about the case, and details the DNA evidence. The latest DNA testing was about two years ago.

I do want to say that the article is a fairly long read, but anyone following the case, or having an interest, will find it an interesting overview.

After reading it, I am still completely sure of her guilt. I'm sure some will disagree!

Disagree.

And Wasapi... try reading the transcripts and coming up with something other than "read this link because Darlie is a Bimbo and I can't figure out how to come up with an original thought on my own."

Fact... the screen was cut from the outside.

Fact... according to the ME Damon couldn't have lived more than seven-nine minutes after he was stabbed.

Fact... all four of Damon's wounds were to the back in a confined pattern indicating it was a singular attack and no cast off blood of Damon's was found at the entryway to the living room so don't even go there with the two attack BS that you can't back up with anything other than Davis' hypothesis of how it may have happened.

Fact... Darlie was on the phone with 911 for nearly six minutes.

Fact... Officer Waddell was in the house a little under three minutes into the call.

Fact... EMT responder testified they responded by the end of the call but did not enter for until they were cleared to do so which was (his estimation) another two minutes.

Fact... EMT responder testified Damon was still alive when he entered and he "watched the light fade from his eyes" shortly after.

Fact... since all of the above are facts that leaves Darlie with under two minutes to stage EVERYTHING. If Bevel is to be believed (your witness, not mine) Darlie needed to stab or cut herself first (Prosecutors insisted up and down the neck wound was at the sink so complain to them that their theory doesn't fit) which must have been the right arm stab. Then she needed to stab Devon next so her blood would cast off with his in a complete mixture (per testimony about cast off stains), attack Damon next then start the clock... put blood from both boys on a sock and then run the sock 75 yards away without getting any of her blood on it, depositing any blood trail on the ground along the way or getting any speck of blood on any door knobs, doors, gates or ground while actively bleeding. Then (while bleeding) she had to knock over a lamp shade, carefully knock over a table without leaving bloody prints behind, set a flower arrangement carefully on the floor without getting blood on it, swing her arms so cast off blood got on the table, deposit blood in at least three places (that were tested) on the front of the couch with her blood, stand in front of the couch long enough to leave copious amounts of blood there, roll around on a blanket to leave blood there, lay on a pillow to leave blood there, find a handprint in blood on a couch and clean it off, sit for a second on the carpet just long enough to leave an imprint, turn on the kitchen light, walk down the right side of the island cabinets, turn and walk the other way around the left side of the cabinets, walk into the laundry room, walked to the kitchen sink and sliced her neck and stab her left shoulder, then cleaned the sink, grabbed a few rags and wet those down, placed five bloody rags near her boys, then decided to lay down so blood would pool onto the left shoulder of her shirt The se she and down her back, then she ran a vacuum through the kitchen, grabbed a wine glass from the rack without leaving a single drop of blood on it, smashed the glass on the floor without leaving bloody prints on it, pick up a few pieces without getting blood on them to place in an ice bucket directly beneath where the other glasses were hanging and then called 911 for help.

Fact... you couldn't even read all that in under two minutes.

Fact... Bevel said the entire scene was staged.

Fact... Read up on Bevel's staging theory in the Nona Dirksmeyer case and explain to me why he wasn't called to testify when the real perpetrator was brought to trial.

Fact... there is zero possibility Darlie staged the scene as it was found in the limited amount of time she had which is why Barry Dickey (AKA The Burger King Radio Jingle man) was brought in to prove she was moving throughout the house during the 911 call otherwise the time never could have allowed her to be the perpetrator.

Fact... he had her moving from (more dampened, less dampened to more dampened... living room, kitchen, then back to the livingroom) in 40 seconds.

Fact... this 40 seconds is when the prosecution believes ALL the staging took place.

Fact... during some of that time Officer Waddell was in the house watching her ("Okay, just sit down.... just lay down...")

Fact... While Officer Waddell is telling her to just sit down the prosecution also claims she must have been staging the scene.

Fact... Officer Walling and Officer Waddell both testified they walked through the kitchen to the laundry room and never saw the vacuum cleaner laying in the kitchen that Bevel (and Cron) later determinered to be an item Darlie staged.

Fact... Officer Waddell testified that when he entered the kitchen he was observant enough to not step on or kick the clear, relatively small glass shards on the floor yet wasn't observant enough to notice a four foot black/forest green vacuum cleaner that he would have tripped over had he not made a conscious effort to trip over it.

Fact... early reports claimed the screen had been cut from the inside and a blond hair (similar to Darlie's) was found in the screen.

Fact... Darlie was arrested soon after the "silly string" video was aired. According to Davis he interpreted the video as "Darlie dancing on their graves' and he decided right then and there to arrest her.

Fact... The hair belonged to a police officer and the prosecutor's own witness testified the screen had been cut from the outside.

Fact... Davis hid the fact the sock had been found until October of that year because without the screen and hair being linked to Darlie his case had fallen apart. The sock was hidden because with the narrow timeframe even he knew Darlie couldn't have planted the sock.

Fact... To this day no one can explain how the sock got there.

Fact... I can keep going and going. I highly doubt you can.

 

[Sherkeu]

My theory- partially!

I've recently read quite a bit on this case, though to read it all would take a while! I had no opinion and now am pretty darn sure this woman is INNOCENT.

To me, it feels a lot like the Knox case complete with luminol "bloody footprints", character assassination, an MO that fits the fantasies of someone different (Darin), contamination, and a cocky investigator that had the whole thing wrapped up on the first day - before any of it was tested.

There is no scenario that fits with her guilt. The sock alone adds such a ridiculously far-fetched element that she should have been released right after that one single tube sock had been tested.
...........
I do agree with the State's case that there was no intruder. No one went out that gate. No one had to... because the killer lived in the home. All he had to do was walk back inside.

[WARNING: Conjecture follows!]
I think Darin tried to suffocate/smother his wife. That's how it started anyway.

He straddles her, knees/shins on her arms , covering her face and cutting off her air as she struggles to get free (hence those massive bruises). Pillow seems likely but could be hands. The cuts come after that, the kids are next. Devon, then Damon, who gets away at first. No idea if he intended to kill all three at the start.

I think it is clear that he thinks Darlie is dead at least once, and maybe twice. Her waking up as he walks toward the garage surprises him.
I don't believe Darlie ever left the couch until a minute before her 911 call.
She would never have seen her attacker's face.

Darlie's recollection cannot be trusted of course (all her versions!), though it can give clues. Her brain would clearly have been in survival mode. Memory is often distorted or missing and the brain tries hard to fill in pieces. This is so common in many other traumatic events that I wonder why it suddenly does NOT apply in this case. ???


e.g. The woman who had her face ripped off by a chimpanzee remembers absolutely none of it, even though she was clearly awake and fighting for her life. Would any group of people question why she doesn't remember such a thing? If she had been sleeping just before the attack, would we think she slept through it? or was lying about having no memory? or invented the chimp? We would not. But for Darlie many do.

Also, the killer may have missing or distorted memory for the same reasons. It is possible that there are no 'real' memories of this crime.

 

[Sinsaint]

I agree Darlie is innocent but disagree that Darin did it. Darlie was adamant the intruder left through the garage. If it were Darin who left through the garage he couldn't have gotten back into the house without Darlie seeing him come through the front door.

 

[Sherkeu]

I agree Darlie is innocent but disagree that Darin did it. Darlie was adamant the intruder left through the garage. If it were Darin who left through the garage he couldn't have gotten back into the house without Darlie seeing him come through the front door.

Darlie doesn't have eyes in the back of her head though. She isn't focused on that door all the time.
She doesn't even realize what has happened until she walks back over to where her sons lay. There is plenty of opportunity for him to take his bloody shirt (perhaps wiping his face with the dry part) and socks and stuff it down his pants, remove his shoes (which he thinks dont look too bad), traverse a few feet feet across the kitchen towards the entry when Darlie isn't looking, drop the shoes by the door, and come around in jeans and bare feet as if he is just coming down the stairs. It is still dark in the house except for one light near the kitchen at this point. Totally doable. Not difficult at all.

She only need to not be looking at the utility area for less than 2 seconds for him to come right back inside this way.

I think he only comes back in because he hears her yelling for him and realizes she doesnt KNOW!

When he goes to the Neal's, he goes first to ditch his evidence hidden in his pants (must be down his backside since no other blood gets on it).
Think about it. He leaves the house as paramedics arrive and comes back with Karen as Damon is being wheeled out. Karen has it taking about 2 minutes from the knock to when she runs over. It's fast. Paramedics take at least 4 min between arriving, getting cleared, working on Damon, and wheeling Damon out. There are a good 2 minutes missing here.

Shouldn't he have run back when paramedics go in? He is just standing there at Karen's door...supposedly waiting for a nurse he no longer needs. He could have just told her to run over and not wait for her to get dressed. Who has time for that at such a moment when there could still be an intruder lurking and his family is dying? It's not like he has to show her where to go!

To me, he is avoiding the scene. His wife is not. All the professional help is in his home, the people who can tell him information are in his home, his injured family is in the home, but he keeps leaving out the front door.

Did anyone check inside that storm drain that morning?

 

[Samson]

I agree Darlie is innocent but disagree that Darin did it. Darlie was adamant the intruder left through the garage. If it were Darin who left through the garage he couldn't have gotten back into the house without Darlie seeing him come through the front door.

One element that interests me is the match of particles on the knife in the block and the cut screen. This looks damning for Darlie, how do you explain this Sinsaint?

 

[Sherkeu]

One element that interests me is the match of particles on the knife in the block and the cut screen. This looks damning for Darlie, how do you explain this Sinsaint?

Try this:
Go pull a knife out of a block or a drawer. A larger knife, like the bread knife preferably.
Pretend you are checking it out to see what it is since you blindly grabbed it. (remember, it is dark! you can see, but not well)
Where are each of your hands as you do this?
Where are your fingers?

If you are right-handed and you just cut a screen, which hand is holding the screen and which hand is cutting? Now, tell me what the hand that held the screen was doing when you checked out that knife you pulled out.

Do you see how it can happen?
This could be any suspect at all. It doesnt point to Darlie.

Remember, you cannot tell which knife is which until you pull it out. if it isn't the one you wanted, you just put it back and choose again, right?

eta: Actually, I bet Darlie DOES know which knife is which and wouldn't need to pick twice! This is, perhaps, in her favor.

 

[Sinsaint]

One element that interests me is the match of particles on the knife in the block and the cut screen. This looks damning for Darlie, how do you explain this Sinsaint?

Easy. Hamilton testified it was his job to dust for prints. He started with the window sill of the cut screen. He then moved from there through the laundry area into the kitchen. Once he was in the kitchen he suddenly "can't recall what he dusted." Lynch (fiber analyst for the prosecution) testified the knives hadn't been dusted when he viewed them for trace evidence. After the trial he signed an affidavit stating when he received the knives they were already dusted for prints. In Lynch's experiments for trial cutting the screen with the knife generated 18 fragments found on the experiment knife. The crime scene knife had one. Why 18 fragments with the experiment knife and only one with the crime scene knife?

Once Lynch admitted the knives were dusted prior to his examination it's pretty clear debris from dusting the window sill was transferred to the knife by Hamilton otherwise Lynch wouldn't have lied about the condition the knives were in when he processed them and Hamilton would have remembered what he did and did not dust in the kitchen. "I can't recall" is the perfect defense to a perjury charge.

 

[Sinsaint]

Darlie doesn't have eyes in the back of her head though. She isn't focused on that door all the time.
She doesn't even realize what has happened until she walks back over to where her sons lay. There is plenty of opportunity for him to take his bloody shirt (perhaps wiping his face with the dry part) and socks and stuff it down his pants, remove his shoes (which he thinks dont look too bad), traverse a few feet feet across the kitchen towards the entry when Darlie isn't looking, drop the shoes by the door, and come around in jeans and bare feet as if he is just coming down the stairs. It is still dark in the house except for one light near the kitchen at this point. Totally doable. Not difficult at all.

She only need to not be looking at the utility area for less than 2 seconds for him to come right back inside this way.

I think he only comes back in because he hears her yelling for him and realizes she doesnt KNOW!

When he goes to the Neal's, he goes first to ditch his evidence hidden in his pants (must be down his backside since no other blood gets on it).
Think about it. He leaves the house as paramedics arrive and comes back with Karen as Damon is being wheeled out. Karen has it taking about 2 minutes from the knock to when she runs over. It's fast. Paramedics take at least 4 min between arriving, getting cleared, working on Damon, and wheeling Damon out. There are a good 2 minutes missing here.

Shouldn't he have run back when paramedics go in? He is just standing there at Karen's door...supposedly waiting for a nurse he no longer needs. He could have just told her to run over and not wait for her to get dressed. Who has time for that at such a moment when there could still be an intruder lurking and his family is dying? It's not like he has to show her where to go!

To me, he is avoiding the scene. His wife is not. All the professional help is in his home, the people who can tell him information are in his home, his injured family is in the home, but he keeps leaving out the front door.

Did anyone check inside that storm drain that morning?

A few major holes with your theory...

First, Darlie stated she saw the man walking out through the kitchen (glass should have broken then) and followed him. She saw him leave through the laundry room. From there the only exits are through the garage door (which was lock from the inside so no exit from there) or through the window and out through the gate. Darlie stated the man dropped the knife. She then picked it up, walked back to Damon and then started screaming. From the time Darlie followed the man out, picked the knife up and started screaming would have been maybe ten seconds.

Darlie stated as soon as she realized the boys were injured she started screaming and ran to the foyer to yell for Darin. Darin stated he heard glass break and soon after Darlie started screaming "Devon, Devon, Devon!!!" He then went running downstairs. She witnessed Darin run down the stairs. Both their stories match. There is no way Darin left through the gate, ran around the house, re entered the house, got all the way upstairs in time for Darlie to come running into the foyer and witness him come running back down.

As for the other stuff, I think you must have misread something. Both Darlie and Darin stated Darlie called 911 as soon as he came down the stairs. He is also heard on the 911 call very early on. Two officers were also on the scene a little over two minutes into the 911 call. There is zero possibility Darin slipped away during the 911 call or after to ditch evidence.

 

[Ampulla of Vater]

Disagree.

Fact... the screen was cut from the outside.

Fact: The bread knife was identified as the knife which cut the screen, as asbestos and rubber polymer were matched to the screen. Did the intruder come into the house, take the knife, return to the outside and cut the screen? The mulch below that window was completely undisturbed. Was the intruder levitating? Per Darlie, the intruder exited out through the kitchen, through the utility room, through the garage and out that window. Why was there not one single bloody footprint belonging to this intruder after exiting through a kitchen whose floor was covered in blood?

Fact... according to the ME Damon couldn't have lived more than seven-nine minutes after he was stabbed.

Actually, that is NOT what her testimony was. I am not going to tell you what she said; you can go look it up yourself. She did say that she could not know if all 4 of the stab wounds were inflicted at the same time. The following exchange also took place:
Q. Okay. What type of bleeding would youexpect to see from stab wounds 1, 2, 3 and 4?
A. Ooze.
Q. Oozing?
A. To a greater or lesser extent, it's actually impossible to predict how rapid an ooze.

Fact... all four of Damon's wounds were to the back in a confined pattern indicating it was a singular attack and no cast off blood of Damon's was found at the entryway to the living room so don't even go there with the two attack BS that you can't back up with anything other than Davis' hypothesis of how it may have happened.

But there was cast-off blood of Damon's on the back of Darlie's nightshirt. I wonder how it got there? I wonder how blood patterns consistent with cast-off from a moving object (specifically down to up) were on Darlie's nightshirt. One long splat consisted of Darlie's blood mixed with Damon's and another of Darlie's blood mixed with Devon's.

Fact... Darlie was on the phone with 911 for nearly six minutes.

And...?

Fact... Officer Waddell was in the house a little under three minutes into the call.

Yes, the first 2 police persons arrived 3 and 4 minutes from the time of the call, respectively.

Fact... EMT responder testified they responded by the end of the call but did not enter for until they were cleared to do so which was (his estimation) another two minutes.

Fact... EMT responder testified Damon was still alive when he entered and he "watched the light fade from his eyes" shortly after.

Well, that wasn't his exact quote, but it is close. There is NOTHING indicating all of Damon's wounds were inflicted at the same time. There is also nothing to ascertain the length of time it took him to bleed out, especially since we cannot be sure what wounds were inflicted when. Darlie could have stabbed him twice and later discovered him still alive and so stabbed him twice more. There is just no way to know.

Fact... Bevel said the entire scene was staged.

It pretty much was.

Fact... this 40 seconds is when the prosecution believes ALL the staging took place.

Not so.

Fact... during some of that time Officer Waddell was in the house watching her ("Okay, just sit down.... just lay down...")

Fact... While Officer Waddell is telling her to just sit down the prosecution also claims she must have been staging the scene.

No, it was already staged.

Fact... Officer Walling and Officer Waddell both testified they walked through the kitchen to the laundry room and never saw the vacuum cleaner laying in the kitchen that Bevel (and Cron) later determinered to be an item Darlie staged.

There are crime scene pictures of it taken that morning.

Fact... Officer Waddell testified that when he entered the kitchen he was observant enough to not step on or kick the clear, relatively small glass shards on the floor yet wasn't observant enough to notice a four foot black/forest green vacuum cleaner that he would have tripped over had he not made a conscious effort to trip over it.

The glass shards stood out because 1) they were on top of the blood and 2) Darlie, who by her account had chased the "intruder" through the kitchen and then walked back through to the boys, had no glass or cuts on the bottom of her feet.

Fact... early reports claimed the screen had been cut from the inside and a blond hair (similar to Darlie's) was found in the screen.

So? Do you expect all news reports to be consistent? It depends on who does the reporting.

Fact... Darlie was arrested soon after the "silly string" video was aired. According to Davis he interpreted the video as "Darlie dancing on their graves' and he decided right then and there to arrest her.

There was plenty of evidence on which to base an arrest. The silly string had nothing to do with the murders, but all the rest of the incriminating evidence did.

Fact... The hair belonged to a police officer and the prosecutor's own witness testified the screen had been cut from the outside.

Yes, by Darlie.

Fact... Davis hid the fact the sock had been found until October of that year because without the screen and hair being linked to Darlie his case had fallen apart. The sock was hidden because with the narrow timeframe even he knew Darlie couldn't have planted the sock.

There was plenty of evidence irrespective of the sock situation.

Fact... To this day no one can explain how the sock got there.

I'm sure Darlie put it there.

Fact... I can keep going and going. I highly doubt you can.

When I have the time to reply, I can go on and on. There is just no evidence of an intruder in that home. Add to that Darlie changing her story over and over again, each time to address another piece of evidence, the observations of just about everyone who came into contact with her at the hospital and in the ambulance, the outdoor spa light not being on, the gate being closed, the blood evidence, the DNA (or lack of intruder DNA), the screen evidence, the lack of intruder footprints, the lack of evidence of an intruder fleeing through that dark utility room (he never bumped into anything or left a print or bloody splat anywhere), the cleanup of evidence at the home, the entire scene of the crime (e.g. no robbery, no violent struggle, lack of evidence matching Darlie's stories, etc. etc.) and you can't help but come to the conclusion she did it.

 

[Sherkeu]

A few major holes with your theory...

First, Darlie stated she saw the man walking out through the kitchen (glass should have broken then) and followed him. She saw him leave through the laundry room. From there the only exits are through the garage door (which was lock from the inside so no exit from there) or through the window and out through the gate. Darlie stated the man dropped the knife. She then picked it up, walked back to Damon and then started screaming. From the time Darlie followed the man out, picked the knife up and started screaming would have been maybe ten seconds.

Why just 10 seconds? Would she really recall if it was 15? 20? How long would it take for Darin to remove the bloody shirt and shoes and sneak back inside THROUGH THE SAME DOOR? Much longer than the time to wake up, stop to put on jeans, and go downstairs? Or perhaps he was sleeping in his jeans?

Darlie stated as soon as she realized the boys were injured she started screaming and ran to the foyer to yell for Darin. Darin stated he heard glass break and soon after Darlie started screaming "Devon, Devon, Devon!!!" He then went running downstairs. She witnessed Darin run down the stairs. Both their stories match. There is no way Darin left through the gate, ran around the house, re entered the house, got all the way upstairs in time for Darlie to come running into the foyer and witness him come running back down.

Darlie would assume Darin to come from upstairs. How do you know she really saw him come down those stairs? This woman had been half dead a minute prior! I do not think he went back up (not more than a few steps anyway). It was dark. Of course it really seems like he does come down the stairs. She pieced together what made sense to her. She didnt suspect anything different.

As for the other stuff, I think you must have misread something. Both Darlie and Darin stated Darlie called 911 as soon as he came down the stairs. He is also heard on the 911 call very early on. Two officers were also on the scene a little over two minutes into the 911 call. There is zero possibility Darin slipped away during the 911 call or after to ditch evidence.

He didn't go across the street until after the 911 call ended. No one is watching him go there. The cops are inside. The paramedics are inside. Darin goes out the front, hightailing it to the left, around the home and down the alley to the storm drain and THEN to the Neals to bang on their door. He gets back across as Damon is wheeled out. Plenty of time. It all fits for me.

The minutes from the placement of the 911 call can be described fairly accurately as to when people arrived to when they left. Before that, it's just guessing.

Did they search that storm drain? Did they test his jeans?

I believe that if Darin had been held in the home by those first officers we would not be talking about Darlie's guilt today.

 

[Sinsaint]

Disagree.


Fact: The bread knife was identified as the knife which cut the screen, as asbestos and rubber polymer were matched to the screen. Did the intruder come into the house, take the knife, return to the outside and cut the screen? The mulch below that window was completely undisturbed. Was the intruder levitating? Per Darlie, the intruder exited out through the kitchen, through the utility room, through the garage and out that window. Why was there not one single bloody footprint belonging to this intruder after exiting through a kitchen whose floor was covered in blood?

Pfft... even Lynch has admitted more testing needs to be done to figure out what the exact make up of those particles are along with the fact Hamilton dusted the knives at the scene throws the whole particle into suspicion as to how it (not THEY [18]) like the test knife had.

Actually, that is NOT what her testimony was. I am not going to tell you what she said; you can go look it up yourself. She did say that she could not know if all 4 of the stab wounds were inflicted at the same time. The following exchange also took place:
Q. Okay. What type of bleeding would youexpect to see from stab wounds 1, 2, 3 and 4?
A. Ooze.
Q. Oozing?
A. To a greater or lesser extent, it's actually impossible to predict how rapid an ooze.

No need for me to look it up. Read everything. Guess you should read her pre-trial testimony that she conveniently changed for trial. His injuries had nothing to do with his ooze level. BTW, she also couldn't say the injuries weren't delivered all at once. Considering the close proximity of all four wounds and similar depths they were most likely delivered all at once.

But there was cast-off blood of Damon's on the back of Darlie's nightshirt. I wonder how it got there? I wonder how blood patterns consistent with cast-off from a moving object (specifically down to up) were on Darlie's nightshirt. One long splat consisted of Darlie's blood mixed with Damon's and another of Darlie's blood mixed with Devon's.

Lol... read Bevel's testimony. NONE of the cast off stains had a consistent pattern. Two stains on the front came from up to down? Two came the side? The one on her back came from up to down (ahem... or down to up but that's just Bevel talking his nonsense). Only believe his theoretical BSA if it suits your theory. Ignore that down to up nonsense on the back of her shirt since it points to her innocence.

Yes, the first 2 police persons arrived 3 and 4 minutes from the time of the call, respectively.

Which leaves less than two minutes to stage the scene as it was found, including placing the sock 75 yards down the alley.

Well, that wasn't his exact quote, but it is close. There is NOTHING indicating all of Damon's wounds were inflicted at the same time. There is also nothing to ascertain the length of time it took him to bleed out, especially since we cannot be sure what wounds were inflicted when. Darlie could have stabbed him twice and later discovered him still alive and so stabbed him twice more. There is just no way to know.

For starters there is a lot that isn't supported by your theory but is by Darlie's story. Your theory: Darlie stabbed Damon then he crawled to entry way and she stabbed him again. Facts presented at trial: Damon's wounds were all in the same location, the same directionality and similar depth. All the cast-off was located at the corner of both couches. The coroner testified Damon could have still walked, talked and/or screamed after the attack. Darlie stated Damon pressed on her shoulder, she got up and he followed walking behind her to the entry way. Although your theory is that Damon was stabbed again at the entry way there is zero cast off blood of his in that location. All the evidence supports Darlie's version of events.

BTW, are you relying on the same expert who viewed Darlie's wounds and stated they were, and I quote "a good two inches from causing any damage... a medical mile from causing any harm." Is this the chick you are relying on? Seriously?

It pretty much was.

It pretty much wasn't.

Not so.

Excuse me? Why did Barry Dickey testify then?

No, it was already staged.

Ummm, not possible. All of them needed to be bleeding at the same time once the "staging" started. There is no way she could have staged it in the time she had.

There are crime scene pictures of it taken that morning.

Were those taken at 2:06? 2:10? 2:30? 5:00? 10:00? The facts remain that you cannot refute. Two responders showed up within two/three minutes of Darlie calling. Both walked through the kitchen and neither one saw the vacuum cleaner laying in a place that had that not taken a mental note of seeing it they would have tripped over it while walking through the kitchen. Better yet, Waddell testified Darlie walked into the kitchen and pointed to the floor in the exact location she was pointing to. HTF did he miss it when she was supposedly pointing at it?

Face it, that vacuum was moved in the pandemonium once the EMT arrived. Go ahead and dismiss the obvious but it makes you look ill equipped to view evidence rationally when not one but two responders stated they never saw it in the kitchen when they arrived and walked through it.

BTW, I have pictures of a couch with not much on it and then pictures of the same couch with a file folder. Did Darlie run in and stage that too or were things moved around to take pictures?

The glass shards stood out because 1) they were on top of the blood and 2) Darlie, who by her account had chased the "intruder" through the kitchen and then walked back through to the boys, had no glass or cuts on the bottom of her feet.

Okay, let me get this straight. Two men walk into a house with broken glass on the floor. One testifies he witnessed Darlie walk into the kitchen with the broken glass yet she had no cuts so that's the first strike against her. This same officer along with another one said they never saw a vacuum cleaner laying in the middle of the kitchen but saw clear, minute glass fragments that they were careful not to step on or kick around? Clear, tiny, glass fragments they saw but not the huge black/dark green, four foot long vacuum?

Fine. Explain to me this... the glass was obviously the last thing she staged (hence it being on top of her blood). How is that after she was all bloody from stabbing both her children and herself not a single bloody print was found on the glass fragments? I read the testimony. Not a single piece had smeared blood on it. How would that be possible? And why were glass shards found on the table top and in the ice bucket? And why was there not a speck of her blood found on the wine rack, in the bucket or on any of the shards?

So? Do you expect all news reports to be consistent? It depends on who does the reporting.

I sorta do when those same "facts" are the ones used to arrest a person. The warrant for her arrest stated both "blond hair in screen similar to Darlie's" and "screen cut from inside" as reasons to arrest her. Both turned out to be false. And let's delve into the hair. It was tested and determined to belong to a female officer who stated she wasn't even on the scene. Care to explain how THAT happened?

There was plenty of evidence on which to base an arrest. The silly string had nothing to do with the murders, but all the rest of the incriminating evidence did.

Lol... according to Greg Davis he knew Darlie did it when he saw her celebrating at her children's graves and he decided THEN to arrest her. The evidence was a medical mile from any personal injury, a blond hair in the screen and the screen being cut from the inside. Read it. It's all there in her warrant for arrest. How many of those things came to fruition in her trial? That would be zero.

Yes, by Darlie.

Sure. Darlie... AKA a shopaholic knew enough about forensic science to know to cut the screen from the outside. Ummm... okay.

There was plenty of evidence irrespective of the sock situation.

"The sock situation?" Seriously? Davis hid the "sock situation" until October because even he knew Parchman "AKA Medical Mile Knitwhit" who testified at the bail hearing stated Damon couldn't have lived more than five or six minutes would tank his case. She's on the phone for nearly six minutes, Damon couldn't have lived more than six minutes and now there's a sock 75 yards away that she couldn't have planted in that time frame? Oh... Parchman was wrong. She changed her mind. Damon could have lived seven to nine minutes. And Darlie, bleeding like a stuck pig all through her house traveled 150 yards withought leaving a speck of blood outside the house but gushed it everywhere else she walked. You are acting just like Davis. The sock doesn't fit so just act like it's a stupid situation.

I'm sure Darlie put it there.

I'm dying to hear your explanation for this one.

When I have the time to reply, I can go on and on. There is just no evidence of an intruder in that home. Add to that Darlie changing her story over and over again, each time to address another piece of evidence, the observations of just about everyone who came into contact with her at the hospital and in the ambulance, the outdoor spa light not being on, the gate being closed, the blood evidence, the DNA (or lack of intruder DNA), the screen evidence, the lack of intruder footprints, the lack of evidence of an intruder fleeing through that dark utility room (he never bumped into anything or left a print or bloody splat anywhere), the cleanup of evidence at the home, the entire scene of the crime (e.g. no robbery, no violent struggle, lack of evidence matching Darlie's stories, etc. etc.) and you can't help but come to the conclusion she did it.

Let's get a few things straight. Darlie never changed her story. It has always been consistent. An intruder attacked her and her boys. All the first responders stated in written reports she was acting like a grieving, fearful woman. All those reports were changed after they were told Darlie was the suspect. Waddell, first responder, admitted under oath Darlie was hysterical and acting normally but "amended" his report after he heard Darlie was the suspect. He's the same idiot who went on national TV and said Darlie stabbed the boys with so much force the knife hit cement under the boys. Need I say more?

As for blood evidence... 95% of the blood in the house was Darlie's and she was clear that the intruder left and she followed. What blood do you think an intruder would have walked through? Did you expect him to time warp and he would walk through the house after Darlie deposited all her blood? And how do explain the blood on the left side of her shirt? Clearly she was laying on her left side while bleeding. How do you fit that into your scenario? Or will just ignore it like the sock?... We have no idea how to explain it but trust us, she did it.

 

[Sinsaint]

Why just 10 seconds? Would she really recall if it was 15? 20? How long would it take for Darin to remove the bloody shirt and shoes and sneak back inside THROUGH THE SAME DOOR? Much longer than the time to wake up, stop to put on jeans, and go downstairs? Or perhaps he was sleeping in his jeans?

It's not what she recalls. It's based on a combination of her statement, his statement, the 911 call, medical evidence and common sense. Based on everything Darlie couldn't have been walking through the house very long before she started screaming. She immediately went to the stairs and witnessed Darin run down. There's no way he had enough time to run around the house, get in, and run up the stairs without Darlie seeing him.

Darlie would assume Darin to come from upstairs. How do you know she really saw him come down those stairs? This woman had been half dead a minute prior! I do not think he went back up (not more than a few steps anyway). It was dark. Of course it really seems like he does come down the stairs. She pieced together what made sense to her. She didnt suspect anything different.

She didn't assume anything. She turned on the foyer light. She saw him come running down.

He didn't go across the street until after the 911 call ended. No one is watching him go there. The cops are inside. The paramedics are inside. Darin goes out the front, hightailing it to the left, around the home and down the alley to the storm drain and THEN to the Neals to bang on their door. He gets back across as Damon is wheeled out. Plenty of time. It all fits for me.

The minutes from the placement of the 911 call can be described fairly accurately as to when people arrived to when they left. Before that, it's just guessing.

Did they search that storm drain? Did they test his jeans?

I believe that if Darin had been held in the home by those first officers we would not be talking about Darlie's guilt today.

It's a nice theory but can't be supported by fact. His whereabouts are accounted for practically from the second Darlie saw him come down the stairs. He never would have had enough time to do what you are suggesting.

 

[Sherkeu]

Some will see guilt in the glass shards from a broken wine glass which are found on top of the bloody prints of Darlies -a clear sign of staging. I think there is a good explanation for those being there and it is not Darlie who does it.

James Cron gives this testimony:
3 Q. Were there glasses on the wine rack?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. Okay. They were not broken?
6 A. They were not.
7 Q. Were there wine bottles there also?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Okay. Were they broken?
10 A. No.
11 Q. Did you ever examine the wine rack to
12 determine what amount of force would be necessary to move
13 the wine rack?
14 A. I did.
15 Q. Okay. Can you tell the members of the
16 jury what you did in that regard?
17 A. Okay. This was, later in the evening
18 after all the fingerprints were finished on it, I shook
19 the wine rack, rattled it, bumped into it and jarred it
20 to see if any glasses would fall off and none did.

Cron doesnt know at this point that the wine glass was breaking before it hit the ground. We know this because there are shards found in the ice bucket, way too far off the floor to have bounced there. He goes and shakes it hard. What do you think happens to any clear glass shards that landed within the rack but that were not in the bucket or on the floor? That's right....NOW they are on the floor. He unwittingly created this evidence himself.

 

[Samson]

I hope others find this as interesting as I do.
With the same data, serious researchers, Sinsaint and Ampulla, find respectively that Darlie should be released immediately and executed immediately.

Wasapi would also execute but the chilvarous Desert Fox not.

Sherkeu believes that Darin killed his sons, and will see his plan completed when his wife is executed for his dastardly crime.

You couldn't make this up, I feel like a shuttlecock in a badminton game.

 

[Sherkeu]

There's no way he had enough time to run around the house, get in, and run up the stairs without Darlie seeing him.

True. I am not suggesting that he did any of those things.

I'll try more specific with this:
1. Darin is in the garage after Darlie follows him.
2. Darlie starts screaming for Darin.
3. Darin removes his shirt, socks, shoes and goes back into the home, never ever once stepping outdoors, but through the same utility/garage door he just fled through.
4. Darin takes only a few seconds to go from his position in the garage to the entry, while always still inside the home.
4. Darin drops the shoes and appears at the stairs AS IF he had come down them.

All I'm saying is that it is certainly possible.

"Darlie said..." "Darin said..." are not facts for me. They are possibilities, that may be true or not accurate at all.