Darlie Routier

Statement of Darlie Routier
Taken at Rowlett P.D., June 8, 1996

<snip up to pertinent section>

After awhile I started to get sleepy. The next thing I wake up and feel a pressure on me. I felt Damon press on my right shoulder and heard him cry, this made me really come awake and realized there was a man standing down at my feet walking away from me. I walked after him and heard glass breaking. I got halfway through the kitchen and turned back around to run and turn on the light, I ran back towards the utility room and realized there was a big white handled knife lying on the floor, it was then that I realized I had blood all over me and I grabbed the knife thinking he was in the garage so I thought he might still be there and I yelled for Darin.

I ran back through the kitchen and realized the entire living area had blood all over everything. I put the knife on the counter and ran into the entrance, turned on a light and started screaming for Darin, I think I screamed twice and he ran out of the bedroom with his jeans on and no glasses and was yelling, what is it, what is it. I remember saying he cut them, he tried to kill me, my neck, he ran down the stairs and into the room where the boys were. I grabbed the phone and called 911. Darin started giving Devon CPR while I put a towel on my neck and a towel over Damon’s back. I remember telling Damon to hang on mommy was there. I looked over at Darin and saw the glass table had been knocked halfway off and the flower arrangement had been knocked over. I then stood up and turned around and saw glass all over the kitchen floor. I tried to glance over to see if anything was out of place or if anything was missing. I took a few steps and opened the door and screamed for Karen. I was still on the phone with 911 and I don’t recall what all was said because everything was happening so fast.

I went back to Damon and by then he had stopped moving and the police walked through the door. The paramedics came and tried to work on the children.

Where is the part where she wet the towels or even went to the sink?
 
My wife just watched the Forensic Files on this case (I fell asleep near the beginning). It's always interesting seeing people like Tom Bevel or Duane Deaver on old Forensic Files episodes.
 
My wife just watched the Forensic Files on this case (I fell asleep near the beginning). It's always interesting seeing people like Tom Bevel or Duane Deaver on old Forensic Files episodes.
Samzilla, always interested in your take. What did she think?
I am keen to unravel this case.
 
Samzilla, always interested in your take. What did she think?
I am keen to unravel this case.

Well, I just asked. She's has only seen a news clip and now this episode about the case.

Her recollection of the news clip isn't immaculate, but according to her, the news clip took the side of innocence based on the neck wound and how close it was to being fatal. Mentioned something about Darlie not being a doctor or trained in any way to know what she was doing when making a cut like that.

Unfortunately, she can't remember what news program it was.
 
Statement of Darlie Routier
Taken at Rowlett P.D., June 8, 1996

<snip up to pertinent section>

After awhile I started to get sleepy. The next thing I wake up and feel a pressure on me. I felt Damon press on my right shoulder and heard him cry, this made me really come awake and realized there was a man standing down at my feet walking away from me. I walked after him and heard glass breaking. I got halfway through the kitchen and turned back around to run and turn on the light, I ran back towards the utility room and realized there was a big white handled knife lying on the floor, it was then that I realized I had blood all over me and I grabbed the knife thinking he was in the garage so I thought he might still be there and I yelled for Darin.

I ran back through the kitchen and realized the entire living area had blood all over everything. I put the knife on the counter and ran into the entrance, turned on a light and started screaming for Darin, I think I screamed twice and he ran out of the bedroom with his jeans on and no glasses and was yelling, what is it, what is it. I remember saying he cut them, he tried to kill me, my neck, he ran down the stairs and into the room where the boys were. I grabbed the phone and called 911. Darin started giving Devon CPR while I put a towel on my neck and a towel over Damon’s back. I remember telling Damon to hang on mommy was there. I looked over at Darin and saw the glass table had been knocked halfway off and the flower arrangement had been knocked over. I then stood up and turned around and saw glass all over the kitchen floor. I tried to glance over to see if anything was out of place or if anything was missing. I took a few steps and opened the door and screamed for Karen. I was still on the phone with 911 and I don’t recall what all was said because everything was happening so fast.

I went back to Damon and by then he had stopped moving and the police walked through the door. The paramedics came and tried to work on the children.

Where is the part where she wet the towels or even went to the sink?

I don't even see the part where she explains where she got the towels from or that she got one for Devon as well (which we all know she did based on pictures and testimony) so it falls under the category of not expressly mentioning a certain fact or action doesn't mean the action didn't happen. Besides, Patterson admitted via testimony that Darlie mentioned wetting down the towels so your argument has zero merit anyway.
 
My wife just watched the Forensic Files on this case (I fell asleep near the beginning). It's always interesting seeing people like Tom Bevel or Duane Deaver on old Forensic Files episodes.

Forensic Files... Great for learning about general forensic science techniques. Horrible when it comes to learning specific facts about a case. Part of this episode centered on sound/recording forensics. Enters Barry Dickey who Forensic Files introduced as a "Forensic Audio Expert."

Oh's and Ah's from the viewers I'm sure. Sounds very prestigious. He went to the University of Texas "for two years under electrical engineering degree" with no clarification whether he actually attained said degree. He worked a few years in a production studio. He then started his own business, Graffiti Productions, producing music jingles for Burger King. <---- Seriously, that's all it takes to be a "Forensic Audio Expert."

Being that the episode was heavily slanted towards Darlie's guilt there were no checks and balances when it came to the accuracy of the statements given. On Forensic Files Barry Dickey stated "in my opinion Darlie had moved from at least three different rooms in the house. These rooms were moved from in a very rapid succession and she did not stay in any one room very long." Too bad that's not what his testimony was... At all. Barry testified she was in TWO different rooms, not THREE. Less reflective, dampened such as carpeted... More reflective such as linoleum... Back to less reflective, dampened such as carpeted is what he testified to. Which is to say she was in the living room, then kitchen, then back to the living room. Stupid facts.

And apparently Barry the Forensic Audio Expert never conferred with Bevel the Blood Spatter Expert because Barry stated "Darlie... Moved from these rooms in rapid succession..." Yet Bevel stated "the blood drops indicated someone was standing still or walking very slowly." FFS which one is it? Was she walking from room to room in quick succession very rapidly like Barry said or standing around twiddling her thumbs like Bevel implied?

Then you've got Bevel saying he dropped the knife numerous times without getting a knife impression with the amount of blood he ASSUMES must have been on it when it was dropped. Why the Hell is he assuming it had a shitton of blood on it? All he had to do was look at the pictures to see it had relatively little blood on it. It had nowhere near the amount of blood on it as Bevel's test knife did.

His "test stabbing" to produce cast off on the back of his shirt was awesome... In that it proves his theory about Darlie holding the knife dead wrong. He took roughly three swings to get the blood to finally deposit on the back of his shirt. Devon was stabbed twice. If Darlie did stab him the first knife extension would have had no blood on it. There would have been the intitial stab, extending the knife back once with blood and then another stab. If it took three or more backward extensions to get enough blood on the knife to finally deposit blood on his back then that can't be how Darlie ended up with his blood on her back. And that ignores his inability to determine if it came from upward to downward or downward to upward on that particular stain.

Cron is a moron talking about Peter Pan or Tinkerbell leaving behind no bloody footprints after walking through a bloody kitchen. All that blood in the kitchen got there after the intruder left.

And Springer? She's the same idiot that said the boys were stabbed with so much force that cement under the carpet had been damaged by the knife. I bet she received her information about Darin being an inattentive father from anonymous posters on message boards.
 
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I still think the Darlie Routier case is an unsafe verdict. It's what happens when there is no specialist, or experienced, homicide squad to investigate a difficult murder. The police then decide who did it and jump to conclusions and 'find' the evidence.

In the old days in the UK a couple of detectives from Scotland Yard would be called for if there was a difficult murder in a remote part of the country. Nowadays Scotland Yard does not have much success in difficult murders like the Madeleine McCann case because of this ludicrous rotation system, like the Boulder Police Department in America. The UK government can now no longer afford to put dangerous criminals in prison. It's getting like the Philippines.

This is a sensible quote from CBS even though CBS has this lunatic theory that Burke did it in the Ramsey case:

www.cbsnews.com/news/part-2-mother-tried-for-murder/

But perhaps an affidavit signed last summer by Darin Routier is the most surprising in this case. In this document, Darin admitted that three months before the murders, he was looking for someone to burglarize his home for an insurance scam.

"Darin was confronted, denied the burglary," says Cooper. "The circle kind of got narrower and narrower and he ultimately admitted it."

In the same affidavit, however, Darin also says that Darlie had asked for a separation the night of the murders.
 
There is an interesting opinion about the Darlie Routier case by the internet poster Wudge in July 2015, with which I agree:

Her husband, Darin Routier, admitted that he had planned to hire a man to break into their home. It's not at all hard to see that his admission weighs huge in the exculpatory evidence bucket.

Moreover, one of the jurors post verdict, Rita Way, said: "I don't think the defense proved that she was innocent and no mother that had their children murdered can act that way after eight days. I mean eight days -- referring to the 15 second "silly string tape -- I just can't see it." [Can anyone figure out the incredible problem with this juror's reasoning?]
 
My wife just watched the Forensic Files on this case (I fell asleep near the beginning). It's always interesting seeing people like Tom Bevel or Duane Deaver on old Forensic Files episodes.

Speaking about Forensic Files. . . There was an episode about the Norfolk Four.
You can buy many of the episodes on Amazon but for some reason that episode seems to have disappeared.
 
There was a mention of the Darlie Routier case at this website with regard to a polygraph of Darlie's husband. Personally, I have always been suspicious of Darlie's husband, and I'm not the only one. It looks like he failed a polygraph test though that doesn't prove anything.

www.justicedenied.org/polygraphs.htm

Interestingly, it was shortly after the time of the Justice Committee's offer that I learned of Brian Pardo's involvement with Darlie Routier's case and of the conclusions he'd drawn from Darin's failure with the polygraph test, and I asked if anyone knew how to get in touch with him so I could send him Rosenthal's information and an editorial in the Miami Herald. No one knew, but as fate would have it, Mr. Pardo has indirectly turned up in my life through the articles Justice: Denied has done about Routier. The offer of a polygraph for my daughter aroused my interest in these tests and I began to collect information since then.

I have excerpted bits and pieces for you about polygraphs here, all with proper attribution when available.
Reading a book review of May God Have Mercy: A True Story of Crime And Punishment, about an innocent man who was executed, this line caught my attention:
"Despite a phone call from Mother Teresa, Wilder uses the fact that Coleman fails the lie detector test (a result that surprises no one who knows anything about the polygraph) to deny all appeals for mercy, much less clemency, thereby (at least symbolically) pulling the switch himself."

According to several witnesses of the Darin Routier test, the examiner acted as an accuser, hardly the best environment to test someone who's already in stress. Guilt is a feeling that casts a spell over many people's lives whether it's justified or not. One has only to think about a battered child who believes he is guilty for the abuse he receives to understand this. If the administrator of a test has an agenda, it cannot help but surface and color the interaction between him and the person tested. In the case of Darin Routier, the June 6, 1998, Dallas Morning News reported that Mr. McLemore, Pardo's assistant, said, "The polygraph examiner and Darin were in each other's face. It was a very heated situation."

A "heated situation" is hardly the ideal environment for a test that imposes its own stresses. The burden should be on the tester to be noncommittal and not invested in the outcome.

In November 1997, a Miami Herald editorial, Of lies and justice -- Polygraph Tests, said that a lie detector is only as good as its operator and that some liars can fool machines and operators. It follows that this machine can misinterpret the immense range of human emotion.
 
There is an interesting article on the internet about the Darlie Routier case at:

www.fordarlieroutier.org/MediaArticles/Good/Good2.html

This part of it:

With a cherub-like face, big hazel eyes clouded with sadness, her hair tied
back in a simple ponytail, Ms. Routier looks as if she may have just
graduated from an all-girls preparatory school. When she speaks, she
radiates with sincerity, warmth and intelligence. She is totally at ease
with herself and at peace with the truth. This image must be threatening to
the system of justice that put her on death row, for it is in direct
conflict with the self-absorbed, materialistic image that was created to
secure both a conviction and public support for it. It doesn't take long to
realize that the prosecution blatantly lied about her.

Could this be why there are so many "mix-ups" with the media?

Let's imagine for just a moment...What if the public saw the real Darlie
Routier? What if they realized she was telling the truth? What if the public
was outraged by the hidden facts of her case? What if voters discovered they
had been lied to by an entire system of justice ... from the police
department to the DA's office and right up to the Governor's mansion?

The simple answer to each and every one of these questions is that Texas'
shameful little secret would be exposed and all the local officials will
lose support. The Governor just might have to face the country and explain
why he is willing to allow a young suburban wife and mother to be strapped
to a gurney and given a lethal injection for a crime that reeks of
reasonable doubt.
 
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The Darlie Routier case was featured yesterday on British TV on that CBS Reality Death Row Stories show. It started off by saying that it was a small police department that had never dealt with a case like that before. Darlie was interviewed saying that they would have innocent blood on their hands if she was executed. A local DA said rather darkly that Darlie had failed two appeals and that if she failed a federal appeal, a time would be set for her execution.

Barbara Davis was interviewed and she said that a whistleblower in the DA's office had provided her with information and evidence showing that the jury had never seen much of the exculpatory evidence and photos. The silly string video shown to the jury had been heavily edited to make it look bad for Darlie. Another DA then denied that the jury had never seen the evidence, and he said that Darlie staged the crime scene, which seems a bit unfair to me.

One juror, I think called Charlie Sands, was interviewed saying he has changed his mind about the Darlie Routier verdict.

A judge ordered DNA testing in 2008 which was a hopeful sign. There is a bloody mystery fingerprint. The bodies of the two dead children were exhumed for comparison purposes of that fingerprint. That proved to be technically impossible.

There was then a clip of the husband Darin after he had failed his polygraph. It was a police polygrapher and he aggressively accused Darin of being involved in the murders, which Darin then categorically denied. Darlie then said she felt betrayed and that there was plotting behind her back which made her to have a lot of questions. The defense lawyer said the motive was $250000 life insurance money.

Darlie's mother then said that she had known Darin since he was sixteen and rather naively she said he would never have tried to kill Darlie or the children. Darin's aunt was then interviewed and she seemed more suspicious of Darin.

The surviving son, Drake Routier was interviewed, who is now in his 20s. He seemed a nice chap, but in 2013 he was diagnosed with cancer, which was another devastating blow for Darlie. He seems to be getting better at the moment.

To my mind the Darlie Routier case reeks of doubt and uncertainty and incompetency and lack of forensic testing.
 
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Nearly every episode of that show attempts to make it seem like the person is innocent. That is because it is much more entertaining to watch a show which creates doubt about the inmate's guilt, than it is to watch a reiteration of the evidence in a slam dunk case. That is why the show is loaded with people's opinions, which basically mean nothing.
 
Nearly every episode of that show attempts to make it seem like the person is innocent. That is because it is much more entertaining to watch a show which creates doubt about the inmate's guilt, than it is to watch a reiteration of the evidence in a slam dunk case. That is why the show is loaded with people's opinions, which basically mean nothing.

Most of these American true crime shows seem to be accurate. They mostly seem to be about people who have murdered their partners in an acrimonious divorce for the life insurance and custody of the children, and who get life without parole.

Those TV shows about the Darlie Routier case seem to be fair and just. I have a criticism of CBS for suggesting nine year old Burke did it in the JonBenet Ramsey case with no supporting evidence. That makes my blood boil. That is now involving a lawsuit between Burke and CBS and others.
 

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