Danny Jowenko - Manipulated by 9/11 Deniers

[twinstead]

There's two fat lies, right there. And you have the gall to say he didn't lead Jowenko?

It ain't over 'till the fat lie sings.

Sorry. It had to be said.

 

[Miragememories]

Jowenko: <indicates 24 core columns on diagram>
Intervwr: This heart? These 12?

Jowenko: "... it was not really clean ..."
Intervwr: "It was very clean ... so clean you can walk around it"

There's two fat lies, right there. And you have the gall to say he didn't lead Jowenko?

W R O N G

Context.

One was a question for clarification.

The other, referring to clean, was showing Danny that a standing wall did not belong to WTC7. That it was an optical illusion.

Apparently it fooled you as well.

MM

 

[The Big Dog]

W R O N G

Context.

One was a question for clarification.

The other, referring to clean, was showing Danny that a standing wall did not belong to WTC7. That it was an optical illusion.

Apparently it fooled you as well.

MM

Wow.... "so clean you can walk around it" mean "it was an optical illusion" and even though you could not walk around the debris pile without walking though the buildings that it struck when it collapsed.

CONTEXT! I get it! Like the "context" where the East Penthouse collapsed first, right MM?

Hee hee, MM is a TRUE believer.

 

[GlennB]

Context.

One was a question for clarification.

Clarifying that there were 12 core columns? Strange definition of "clarification" you have there. Jowenko clearly indicates the entire core column system which the commentator then calls "these 12".

The other, referring to clean, was showing Danny that a standing wall did not belong to WTC7. That it was an optical illusion.

<commentator pointing away from the disputed wall> "But you can walk around it. So clean you can walk around it" .... "... everywhere you clearly see that only building seven collapsed cleanly with the outside walls going inside"

Hard to tell who is the biggest liar MM, you or that commentator.

 

[Miragememories]

"Clarifying that there were 12 core columns? Strange definition of "clarification" you have there. Jowenko clearly indicates the entire core column system which the commentator then calls "these 12"."

W R O N G

[Interviewer shows Danny a layout drawing of the structural columns for WTC7]

INTERVIEWER "But which columns do you have to blow up to let it collapse as cleanly as we've seen?

[Danny points out an area of the drawing]

DANNY JOWENKO: "This heart."

INTERVIEWER: This heart, these twelve

As I said, the interviewer was merely clarifying Danny's response.

Apparently you are the biggest liar Glenn.

MM

 

[Miragememories]

"The other, referring to clean, was showing Danny that a standing wall did not belong to WTC7. That it was an optical illusion."

"<commentator pointing away from the disputed wall> "But you can walk around it. So clean you can walk around it" .... "... everywhere you clearly see that only building seven collapsed cleanly with the outside walls going inside"

Hard to tell who is the biggest liar MM, you or that commentator."

DANNY JOWENKO: "Although I've seen a picture on internet, seen
from above, it was not really clean, at the sides there were walls
13-14 floors high still standing."

INTERVIEWER: "No, it was very clean."

[Interviewer shows Danny a NIST Report photograph of WTC7
heaped ruins]

INTERVIEWER: "This is the heap. Look, this is what I mean, that's
a lot. [runs his finger up and down the side of the Verizon Building]
But you can walk around it. So clean that you can walk around it."[/i]

DANNY JOWENKO: " But this is still standing, this is what I mean.
You show me exactly the picture that I mean. "
[Danny is indicating the Verizon Building on the west side of the
WTC7 ruins] [on the left in the photograph]

INTERVIEWER: "But this is a different building."

DANNY JOWENKO: "Is that a different building?"

INTERVIEWER: "That is the building next to it."

That was clarifying a misunderstanding.

MM

 

[Sam.I.Am]

In no way was it "Clean". The Verizon Bldg. had serious damage to it, enough so that it was feared that it might collapse if the WTC 7 debris was just pulled away from it without first shoring up the building from the inside.

I notice that you also use an image with a camera angle that minimizes the damage to the roof and SW side of Fitterman Hall (17 stories up) caused by your so called "Clean" collapse.

It's this type of disingenuous representations that distort and outright lie that make you the laughingstocks that you are. You marginalize yourselves and you don't even realize it.

 

[Miragememories]

In no way was it "Clean". The Verizon Bldg. had serious damage to it, enough so that it was feared that it might collapse if the WTC 7 debris was just pulled away from it without first shoring up the building from the inside.

I notice that you also use an image with a camera angle that minimizes the damage to the roof and SW side of Fitterman Hall (17 stories up) caused by your so called "Clean" collapse.

It's this type of disingenuous representations that distort and outright lie that make you the laughingstocks that you are. You marginalize yourselves and you don't even realize it.

I used the same photo that Danny Jowenko observed.

It would have been disingenuous to have used something else.

Try checking your facts before you make your leaps of faith!

MM

 

[Sam.I.Am]

That goes to show either the level of Jowenkos powers of observation and/or the amount of deception used to elicit his responses. Neither one makes it look good for your argument.

 

[The Big Dog]

I used the same photo that Danny Jowenko observed.

It would have been disingenuous to have used something else.

Try checking your facts before you make your leaps of faith!

MM

Well ya knucklehead, we've been making the point all along that the mutts who interviewed him lied to him: why didn't they show him the damage to the surrounding buildings, truther?

"It was very clean.. you could walk around it."

Means, "you can't walk around it." Super!

What a joke

 

[Miragememories]

What a joke

That about sums up your level of argument.

MM

 

[TheRedWorm]

You're always wrong.

 

[triforcharity]

DANNY JOWENKO: "Although I've seen a picture on internet, seen
from above, it was not really clean, at the sides there were walls
13-14 floors high still standing."

INTERVIEWER: "No, it was very clean."

[Interviewer shows Danny a NIST Report photograph of WTC7
heaped ruins]

[qimg]http://a.imageshack.us/img202/7538/wtc7rubble.jpg[/qimg]

INTERVIEWER: "This is the heap. Look, this is what I mean, that's
a lot. [runs his finger up and down the side of the Verizon Building]
But you can walk around it. So clean that you can walk around it."[/i]

DANNY JOWENKO: " But this is still standing, this is what I mean.
You show me exactly the picture that I mean. "
[Danny is indicating the Verizon Building on the west side of the
WTC7 ruins] [on the left in the photograph]

INTERVIEWER: "But this is a different building."

DANNY JOWENKO: "Is that a different building?"

INTERVIEWER: "That is the building next to it."

That was clarifying a misunderstanding.

MM

I have hilited the flat out lies.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

And leading the witness damages the credibility of the exchange between both the interviewer and the interviewee.

 

[The Big Dog]

That about sums up your level of argument.

MM

Yeah, great come back, MM.

My level of argument is repeated proof that your douchebag lying truther friends mislead your silent hero.

Hey, MM, I don't care that you dig up IDIOTS like Jowenko.

All I know is that he has not been heard from in three years.

Some hero, truther.

Keep posting, you truthers are the greatest rebuttal to the truthers' lies I can dig up.

 

[Miragememories]

I have hilited the flat out lies.

[Danny is indicating the Verizon Building on the west side of the WTC7 ruins] [on the left in the photograph]

INTERVIEWER: "But this is a different building."

DANNY JOWENKO: "Is that a different building?"

INTERVIEWER: "That is the building next to it."

That was clarifying a misunderstanding.

Put whatever spin you want on the interviewer's use of "clean".

His main concern was that Danny be corrected in his mistaken belief that the Verizon Building east wall,
was the remains of a the west wall of WTC7.

MM

 

[GlennB]

[Danny is indicating the Verizon Building on the west side of the WTC7 ruins] [on the left in the photograph]

INTERVIEWER: "But this is a different building."

DANNY JOWENKO: "Is that a different building?"

INTERVIEWER: "That is the building next to it."

That was clarifying a misunderstanding.

Put whatever spin you want on the interviewer's use of "clean".

His main concern was that Danny be corrected in his mistaken belief that the Verizon Building east wall, was the remains of a the west wall of WTC7.

False. The interviewer says "No, it was very clean" before the identity of the wall is raised.

Additionally, the disputed wall was not the Verizon building (mis-translated as 'Four-zone') at all, but the US Post Office building, to the left of the photo and to the E of the site. The photo was taken from the N. We can clearly see Fitterman Hall to the left (in the photo) of the Irving Trust building.

Perhaps the interviewer was just plain ignorant, what with 12 core columns and getting buildings' identities entirely wrong. Plus not knowing debris was slammed onto the Verizon and Fitterman Hall making 'walking around it' out of the question.

D'uh

 

[The Big Dog]

[Danny is indicating the Verizon Building on the west side of the WTC7 ruins] [on the left in the photograph]

INTERVIEWER: "But this is a different building."

DANNY JOWENKO: "Is that a different building?"

INTERVIEWER: "That is the building next to it."

That was clarifying a misunderstanding.

Put whatever spin you want on the interviewer's use of "clean".

His main concern was that Danny be corrected in his mistaken belief that the Verizon Building east wall,
was the remains of a the west wall of WTC7.

MM

Yeah the misunderstanding was that you could walk around the debris pile.

He heee!!

Keep rationalizing your pal's lies MM!! Desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[Oystein]

...
Put whatever spin you want on the interviewer's use of "clean".

His main concern was that Danny be corrected in his mistaken belief that the Verizon Building east wall,
was the remains of a the west wall of WTC7.

MM

You forgot this line, which triforcharity highlighted - did you ignore that lie on purpose?

INTERVIEWER: ... But you can walk around it. So clean that you can walk around it

MM, tell us, honestly: Was the interviewer speaking true or false with that statement? Did WTC 7 fall "so clean that you can walk around it" - true or false? (Any other answer but "true" or "false" will be handed back to you)

 

[Miragememories]

False. The interviewer says "No, it was very clean" before the identity of the wall is raised.

Additionally, the disputed wall was not the Verizon building (mis-translated as 'Four-zone') at all, but the US Post Office building, to the left of the photo and to the E of the site. The photo was taken from the N. We can clearly see Fitterman Hall to the left (in the photo) of the Irving Trust building.

Perhaps the interviewer was just plain ignorant, what with 12 core columns and getting buildings' identities entirely wrong. Plus not knowing debris was slammed onto the Verizon and Fitterman Hall making 'walking around it' out of the question.

D'uh

Okay, I stand corrected on the building.

It was the post office.

It is also irrelevant to the point in question.

You really must be desperate Glenn to be grasping at such straws as
this clean business.

Danny declared the collapse a controlled demolition earlier in the interview.

He examined the photograph and regardless of any opinion about the photo expressed by the interviewer,
Danny stood by his original opinion then, and when he was re-interviewed the following year.

And, whether or not the controlled demolition implosion of WTC7 was all 'neat 'n tidy', is also totally irrelevant.

There are many controlled demolitions of buildings that fare a lot worse.

I also fail to see why you keep yammering about the 12 columns when it was Danny who indicated "the heart"
when referring to which columns amongst those in the complete NIST diagram.

Again, that had no influence on his opinion that WTC7 was a victim of controlled demolition.

It was part of the later discussion about possible methodology.

Danny never once suggested his controlled demolition opinion was uncertain because he required more information.

MM