Danny Jowenko - Manipulated by 9/11 Deniers

[alienentity]

Would Miragememories care to explain what happens to any 9/11 skeptic that starts ANY thread on LCF?

Are you claiming that they are not sent to the 'skeptics' section or 'banished' as you put it?

You have some splaining to do. Does 'incivility' have anything to do with the LCF to 'banish' skeptics to a separate section?

Here's a snippet of the LCF rules:

'Also, if you are a self-professed "skeptic", please note the following arguments will be either ignored or erased, as they have no merit:
"too many people would be involved, so your conspiracy is bogus"
"all the people involved must be paid off, so your conspiracy is bogus"
"you guys are still alive, so your conspiracy is bogus"
"our government is too dumb to pull this off, so your conspiracy is bogus"
"our government would NEVER do this, so your conspiracy is bogus"
"screw you guys, your conspiracy is bogus"
"you guys are all in this for the money"
"you guys are all Bush bashers"
"you guys are all Liberals"
"you guys are all nuts"

On a final note, NPT theories, and support of movies like September Clues, is not allowed in any way. Planes hit the WTC. We refuse to allow that to be disputed on this forum.'

And the rules for the 'skeptics' forum:

'Those who choose to support the official story can post here to debate the issue with those who question the official story.'

Since I posted in the general area, my post was immediately moved to the 'skeptics' section. Miragememories has lied about this process, just as he also libeled me last month by denying that I am an audio expert - his post was removed, as it was complete fiction and out of line.

Any other lies you want to post, Miragememories?

If you want to clear up your views on Brent Blanchard, now is the time to refute what I wrote. Go ahead, make my day.

Otherwise stop complaining about it.

 

[Disbelief]

Like I said; "Source, or retraction of those statements please?"

I'm still waiting.

Question me all you want, but I have no intention of responding to liars who refuse to recant when called on it."

MM

Oh look, the liar is all indignant!

post 1119
And as noted in their final report, the NIST, finally conceded that WTC7 underwent a complete freefall for at least 8 storys.

That is something that has never occurred before in a concrete and steel building, yet is a planned for characteristic in controlled demolitions.

 

[Miragememories]

"I stand corrected, make that "amateur video producer".

It was an old recollection from your first post over at the Loose Change Forum before you got banished to the Skeptics subforum for incivility. "

"Speaking of lies, you just lied. My very first post at LCF was to announce my video."

Oh really?

Extract from the LC thread "Hi everyone; New to forum, check out some of my video;

alienentity Aug 31 2009, 03:25 PM [drum roll] Post #1
"Hi dudes, dudettes and others,

This is my first time on your forum, just wanted to let y'all know I've produced a couple of videos that might interest you."
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/2219079/1/

"It was an old recollection from your first post over at the Loose Change Forum before you got banished to the Skeptics subforum for incivility."

Now where was I lying?

MM

 

[alienentity]

Now where was I lying?

MM

Do you even read what your write? You made yet another blatantly false claim.
Which I called you on right away.

Title of my first post at LCF, which was immediately moved to skeptics:
'Moved:Hi everyone; New to forum, check out some of my videos'

 

[The Big Dog]

It was an old recollection from your first post over at the Loose Change Forum before you got banished to the Skeptics subforum for incivility.

MM

Uh, you didn't get "banished to the Skeptics subforum for incivility" you got banished there for not being a Truther.

"skeptics" subforum, man those jack asses were clowns.

Is that forum still running?

/1 post in the last 24 hours, the answer is "no."

 

[alienentity]

MM also, last time you started attacking me and misrepresenting me your post was removed for a Rule 12 violation.

The other post was moved to AAH, and was nothing but an outright lie.

That was July 27, 2010. Today you've posted more lies. Aren't you missing a valuable lesson somewhere?

'In common law jurisdictions, slander refers to a malicious, false and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism'


You've now resorted to libel several times:
Falsely claiming that I'm not a professional audio engineer and/or have no expertise in audio
Falsely claiming that I've been kicked off respected forums
Falsely claiming that my LCF thread was 'banished' for 'incivility'

 

[Miragememories]

MM also, last time you started attacking me and misrepresenting me your post was removed for a Rule 12 violation.

The other post was moved to AAH, and was nothing but an outright lie.

That was July 27, 2010. Today you've posted more lies. Aren't you missing a valuable lesson somewhere?

'In common law jurisdictions, slander refers to a malicious, false and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism'


You've now resorted to libel several times:
Falsely claiming that I'm not a professional audio engineer and/or have no expertise in audio
Falsely claiming that I've been kicked off respected forums
Falsely claiming that my LCF thread was 'banished' for 'incivility'

If you show me where I've told a lie, I will make a retraction.

I have shown you where you lied twice, and you have not shown the integrity to make a retraction.

I was unaware that it was possible to libel an alias?

There is no evidence that you are an audio engineer so I am entitled to claim you are not. A Google search shows no audio engineers by the name of alienentity.

Where did I say you were kicked off a respected forum. To my knowledge you have only been confined to a subforum. If I stated otherwise, I willingly retract.

Your LCF thread was not banished. It was moved later in the thread's history to the Skeptics subforum. Incivility was but one of the reasons.

So when are you going to prove you are better than me and retract your lies about what I supposedly said about Blanchard??????????????

What a hypocrite.

MM

 

[Disbelief]

If you show me where I've told a lie, I will make a retraction.

Here you go.

post 1119
And as noted in their final report, the NIST, finally conceded that WTC7 underwent a complete freefall for at least 8 storys.

That is something that has never occurred before in a concrete and steel building, yet is a planned for characteristic in controlled demolitions.

I have shown you where you lied twice, and you have not shown the integrity to make a retraction.

You did twice in that one post.

What a hypocrite.

MM

What do they say about glass houses?

 

[alienentity]

If you show me where I've told a lie, I will make a retraction.


Where did I say you were kicked off a respected forum.

I linked you to it in my post, you nitwit.

'You get kicked off the more credible forums'

 

[alienentity]

So when are you going to prove you are better than me and retract your lies about what I supposedly said about Blanchard??????????????

Uhmmm...you already admitted that you misrepresented the object of your little slander, and had intended it for me. In the context, (demolitions experts Jowenko and Blanchard) you were both totally wrong and unclear.

What's new? I thought you were referring to Blanchard. If you weren't so busy engaging in serial defamation and false statements it would be easier to keep track of things.

So which is it? Is Blanchard an expert on demolitions or not? Forget about me and my training - you've already dismissed me as an audio engineer, but confused me as a maker of corporate videos. (both untrue allegations)
Which of your lies do I need to laugh at? all of them, I think

 

[alienentity]

Y'know what Miragememories? Since you've lied so openly and so many times about me, I think it's time to put you on ignore.

Truly nothing of value is coming from you, neither ideas nor criticism. I happily banish you from my life. Goodbye.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Is that forum still running?

/1 post in the last 24 hours, the answer is "no."

I'll bet 20 bucks it's a spam for "natural male enhancement".

 

[GlennB]

Oh really?


Now where was I lying?

MM

Here (possibly among others, your list of lies is getting quite long and hard to recollect exactly) :

"It was an old recollection from your first post over at the Loose Change Forum before you got banished to the Skeptics subforum for incivility."

alienentity was 'banished' to Skeptics (with swearing from JFK, which was ironic), but not for incivility because there wasn't a single word from alien that could remotely be considered uncivil.

He was sent there automatically, for being a non-twoofer. JFK explains it in that very thread.

 

[Miragememories]

Here (possibly among others, your list of lies is getting quite long and hard to recollect exactly) :

"It was an old recollection from your first post over at the Loose Change Forum before you got banished to the Skeptics subforum for incivility."

alienentity was 'banished' to Skeptics (with swearing from JFK, which was ironic), but not for incivility because there wasn't a single word from alien that could remotely be considered uncivil.

He was sent there automatically, for being a non-twoofer. JFK explains it in that very thread.

He was not sent there automatically.

It occurred after he made a number of ill-considered posts.

The Loose Change Forums have always encouraged honest dissent.

True skeptics do an excellent job in revealing the errors in 9/11 Truth analysis.

"In the past much time was wasted when skeptics like yourself invaded legitimate threads where discussion was taking place on what could have been the cause of the events on 9/11. Those skeptics in effect turned discussion into flame wars, and that is the reason for this section.

Blame your predecessors for that.

You are correct, there are two standards in place here diametrically opposed
to the double standard enforced the Jref forum."

MM

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Have you looked at JFK's anti-jew rants?

How could even truthers take that guy seriously? The ones who ignore and deny the rampant racism in their ranks, I mean.

 

[A W Smith]

Skeptics "Invading"????

He was not sent there automatically.


MM

Yes, Yes he was,

"In the past much time was wasted when skeptics like yourself invaded legitimate threads where discussion was taking place on what could have been the cause of the events on 9/11. Those skeptics in effect turned discussion into flame wars, and that is the reason for this section.

Blame your predecessors for that.

It is clear he was banished to the skeptics thread for nothing more than holding a viewpoint counter to the conspiradroid doctrine of the Loose Change forum. Nothing else.

 

[Miragememories]

Have you looked at JFK's anti-jew rants?

How could even truthers take that guy seriously? The ones who ignore and deny the rampant racism in their ranks, I mean.

Untrue.

I have no recollection of seeing him display prejudice against Jews.

Possible Israeli Mossad involvement in 9/11 is quite another matter.

MM

 

[alienentity]

Let's separate the lies from the facts, specifically the lies of Miragememories versus the facts:

My first post was Monday, Sept 31 2009 at 3:25pm
The second response to my post used the word '********' to describe it - Bonez

My second post was a lengthy response to Miragememories lengthy post, discussing the facts.
My third post was an invitation to examine someone's rebuttal when it came available.
Next I responded to the claim that my videos were 'rubbish' Domenick DiMaggio
My next post was a response to yet another attack from Domenick, where I mentioned I didn't want to breach forum rules.
By my 6th response on Sept 1 at 5:30pm I wrote 'Also, I notice that I'm not listed as a 'member', but as a 'skeptic'. That wasn't my choice either. I already feel like I've been branded. '
So by that point, just a day after my first post, I'd already been branded as a skeptic and moved. Those are the facts.

My recollection is that the thread was immediately moved into Skeptics, without any warning given, nor did I say anything 'uncivil' as miragememories lied about.

Miragememories has blatantly lied about both me being uncivil and being 'banished' for that alleged sin. Clearly my thread was moved to skeptics because it offended the weak-minded sensibilities of the moderators, and not because I'd done anything wrong.

But again, considering the very poor standards of conduct on that forum, it was no real surprise.

But clearly Miragememories lied about the situation, and you guys have correctly seen through the lies. Good job.

 

[TruthersLie]

Oh really?

Extract from the LC thread "Hi everyone; New to forum, check out some of my video;

alienentity Aug 31 2009, 03:25 PM [drum roll] Post #1
"Hi dudes, dudettes and others,

This is my first time on your forum, just wanted to let y'all know I've produced a couple of videos that might interest you."
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/2219079/1/


Now where was I lying?

MM

When you lied about the "footprint" and the implied lie about steel and concrete being structurally important for the towers and wtc7.

So when will you provide cititations or retractions? Sometime soon.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I have no recollection of seeing him display prejudice against Jews.

Possible Israeli Mossad involvement in 9/11 is quite another matter.

My cup of irony runneth over.

Next you'll be telling us you aren't racist. It's just the uppity blacks you don't like?