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Merged Dakota Access Pipeline

Sacred lands? Gimme a break. Someone needs to introduce these indians to the 21st century.
 
I don't want it running through my state and I don't even live out there. I don't care if it is cleaner than moving it via other methods. I don't want it moved at all. Those people have a right to their land, and unlike Bundy, they've actually been there the whole time. We aren't talking about just water supply or environmental costs. We're talking about a heritage that's been preserved up here for....ever.

I hope it gets blocked and they never try again. I had the same outlook of the last one that tried to come through here.

If we keep building them, and we know there are accidents, then they will catch up to the human\environmental cost of the other modes of transportation. It's not like the new ones being built are somehow leak\damage proof. Stating one is better than that other is a red herring all together. Decrease usage of all 3.
 
Aepervius said:
So you would be OK to bulldoze Arlington cemetery to give place tom a project , like a pipeline or a motorway ?
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I'd probably move some graves first, but yes. The needs of the living outweigh the needs of the dead.
 
plague311 said:
If we keep building them, and we know there are accidents, then they will catch up to the human\environmental cost of the other modes of transportation. It's not like the new ones being built are somehow leak\damage proof. Stating one is better than that other is a red herring all together. Decrease usage of all 3.
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Someone's fear of a possible accident shouldn't outgun actual professional engineers designing this stuff.

If there is a spill, then the Indians can sue to recover, not before.

Land worship is stupidly pagan and an embarrassment to educated Native Americans. If some subset of Luddite Indians don't want to drive or use electricity, that's fine. We allow the Amish to exist. But otherwise, we should clue them in to where that gasoline comes from.
 
marplots said:
I'd probably move some graves first, but yes. The needs of the living outweigh the needs of the dead.
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What if they bulldozed the graves before you had a chance to move them? What if it was clear they did that on purpose, so they would not need to move them?

Would you be, perhaps, a bit upset?


Because that is exactly what happened here.
 
marplots said:
Sacred lands? Gimme a break. Someone needs to introduce these indians to the 21st century.
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Or someone needs to review the reservation treaty and laws governing Indian burial grounds because those are indeed 21st century laws.
 
marplots said:
I'd probably move some graves first, but yes. The needs of the living outweigh the needs of the dead.
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What happened to private property rights outweighing the right of some commercial enterprise to destroy someone else's property?
 
North Dakota National Guard to provide backup to law enforcement.

The North Dakota National Guard will be activated to assist local law enforcement responding to the Dakota Access Pipeline protests south of Mandan, according to an announcement on Thursday by Gov. Jack Dalrymple.

Dalrymple said the decision was made "out of an abundance of caution" in order to free up law enforcement to patrol Morton County and the Bismarck-Mandan area...

Morton County Sheriff Kyle Kirchmeier said he wanted to be able to respond more quickly to situations that arise at the protest camps and for residents nearby. Deputies will not be stationed at the camps.

Thirty-seven people have been arrested in connection with the protests for trespassing on private property, refusing to stay in boundaries set by police and chaining themselves to construction equipment...

With the resources he had available Saturday, when a clash broke out between protesters and private pipeline security, Kirchmeier said he did not have the manpower needed to go in and make arrests.

"We want people to have a safe weekend," he said.

In a statement, Standing Rock Sioux Chairman Dave Archambault II asked protesters to remain peaceful following the judge's decision Friday.

"Any act of violence hurts our cause and is not welcome here," he said. "Even if the outcome of the court’s ruling is not in our favor, we will continue to explore every lawful option and fight against the construction of the pipeline."

Dohrmann said he is in discussions with tribal leaders to find a peaceful resolution to the protests. He said he believes there is a group of "agitators" at the site, some of whom have been asked to leave...
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http://m.bismarcktribune.com/news/s...cle_57090461-12d0-5376-bf6b-041a4511ce4f.html
 
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