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Czechs adopt second amendment

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It seems that the Czechs have decided to go a different route to the rest of the EU when it comes to the response to terrorist attacks:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40438378

Quote:

"The amendment gives Czechs the right to use firearms during terrorist attacks.

It was passed by the lower house by a big majority, and is likewise expected to be approved by the upper house.

The move by parliament is a challenge to EU gun control rules which restrict civilians from possessing certain kinds of semi-automatic weapons.

The EU argues its move is a much-needed counter-terrorism measure.

But the Czech parliament took a different view, arguing that allowing people to bear arms enables them to defend themselves against terrorism."
 
applecorped said:
Very responsible.
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Any one got a better article on this? The quote would seem to indicate that they had some really stupid firearm laws prior to the amendment. The UK is known as one of the stricter EU countries when it comes to gun control yet I have the right to use a firearm if I was defending myself and others from an attack, whether that be a terrorist attack or not.
 
I'm pretty sure that the EU is silent on gun law. I don't think there is any such thing as "EU gun control rules".
 
Noztradamus said:
Must be fake news then \

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/21/news/firearms-rules-europe/index.html

Even the EUrinal Parliament believes it

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/...evised-eu-gun-law-to-close-security-loopholes
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This is not even a gun control law and this is not yet formally approved as such a piece of legislation needs a formal approval of the Council which is not yet granted.

The main goal of the directive is to enhence the information exchange between Members States.

However, most of the regulations regarding weapon control remain in the hands of national lawmakers with no or very little influence of the EU.

[edited] the directive has been adopted and published in May 2017 : http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32017L0853&from=EN
 
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Darat said:
Any one got a better article on this? The quote would seem to indicate that they had some really stupid firearm laws prior to the amendment. The UK is known as one of the stricter EU countries when it comes to gun control yet I have the right to use a firearm if I was defending myself and others from an attack, whether that be a terrorist attack or not.
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The story is poorly written. The amendment itself doesn't stipulate the Czechs are allowed to use firearms to kill terrorists, but that they have the right to purchase and carry the firearms:

Citizens of the Czech Republic have the right to acquire, possess and carry firearms and ammunition for the purpose of protection of life, health and property and thus participate in the provision of internal order and security as well as of territorial integrity, sovereignty and democratic order of the Czech Republic. Terms and conditions shall be determined by a law.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...vernment-considers-constitutional-right-arms/

They basically created a national volunteer vigilante militia that is supposed to provide its own weapons. I hope they regulate it as well, because this is a recipe for trouble - see Venezuelan collectivos for more on that.

McHrozni
 
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Giz said:
It seems that the Czechs have decided to go a different route to the rest of the EU when it comes to the response to terrorist attacks:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40438378

Quote:

"The amendment gives Czechs the right to use firearms during terrorist attacks.
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How can you now for sure that you are in presence of a terrorist attack (and not a bank robbery, for instance) and how can you make sure the person you are firing at is a terrorist and not a victim?

How many terrorist attacks occured in the Czech Republic during the last years?
 
McHrozni said:
The story is poorly written. The amendment itself doesn't stipulate the Czechs are allowed to use firearms to kill terrorists, but that they have the right to purchase and carry the firearms:

Citizens of the Czech Republic have the right to acquire, possess and carry firearms and ammunition for the purpose of protection of life, health and property and thus participate in the provision of internal order and security as well as of territorial integrity, sovereignty and democratic order of the Czech Republic. Terms and conditions shall be determined by a law.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...vernment-considers-constitutional-right-arms/

They basically created a national volunteer vigilante militia that is supposed to provide its own weapons. I hope they regulate it as well, because this is a recipe for trouble - see Venezuelan collectivos for more on that.

McHrozni
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What does that mean? A vigilante by definition is a person who acts without legal authority.
 
Puppycow said:
What does that mean? A vigilante by definition is a person who acts without legal authority.
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It means it could be permissible for anyone in Czech republic to act as if they had legal authority - i.e. vigilantes are lawful.

McHrozni
 
Degeneve said:
How can you now for sure that you are in presence of a terrorist attack (and not a bank robbery, for instance) and how can you make sure the person you are firing at is a terrorist and not a victim?
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As I quoted earlier the terrorism was just given immense prominence in the debate. The amendment explicitly permits protection of property irrespective of motive, as well as protection of life, territorial sovereignty and democracy in Czech republic.

As is normal for such amendments it doesn't sound bad if you just look at the text and not the broad context when it was passed. Czech republic is not experiencing a wave of terrorism or an imminent threat of foreign invasion, such an amendment would be understandable for Ukraine, Georgia or Iraq, maybe even for Estonia. But Czech republic? Pure BS propaganda.

Czechs are probably doing it to preclude something like FN arising in Czech republic. They have a party which has a similar agenda, but it's deep in single digits. If it keeps Czech republic from becoming like Hungary it might even be worthwhile, I don't know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_and_Direct_Democracy

How many terrorist attacks occured in the Czech Republic during the last years?
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Approximately zero.

McHrozni
 
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I have to dispel a few misconception

I am a bit sick so excuse for the lack of posting the the quick post.

Firstly Czech always had a right to weapon, except under communist dictature or nazi goose step. . That is why they had it enshrined into laws. They even have a right of self defense (*), and no duty of retreat. A lot of people have a gun for self defense, and no the amount of gun crime did not rise. But then again look at their law : misdemeanor, drinking, drug abuse and a slew of stuff can have your license removed, and you have to pass a medical exam to get your license. So there is nothing comparable to the US.

So what about this new law ? Well recentely the EU gun directive (changed in 2016 applies in 2017) set a minimum standard which would have conflicted with existing law and existing Czech gun possession. So what they did is run around that by adding a national security measure (which run around the EU law as the EU law allows for such measure to bypass the gun directive).

It isn't that the Czech are changing toward a US model or second amendment, it is that they want to keep the thing they are today.

And again : check up how you can get a gun there, it ain't the free for all the US have. So there is no comparison.

(*) the way I understanding it the defense must be proportionate, and there is quite a few caveat.
 
McHrozni said:
As I quoted earlier the terrorism was just given immense prominence in the debate. The amendment explicitly permits protection of property irrespective of motive, as well as protection of life, territorial sovereignty and democracy in Czech republic.

As is normal for such amendments it doesn't sound bad if you just look at the text and not the broad context when it was passed. Czech republic is not experiencing a wave of terrorism or an imminent threat of foreign invasion, such an amendment would be understandable for Ukraine, Georgia or Iraq, maybe even for Estonia. But Czech republic? Pure BS propaganda.
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Yes the goal is about making it easier to shoot shoplifters.
 
Giz said:
It seems that the Czechs have decided to go a different route to the rest of the EU when it comes to the response to terrorist attacks:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40438378

Quote:

"The amendment gives Czechs the right to use firearms during terrorist attacks.

It was passed by the lower house by a big majority, and is likewise expected to be approved by the upper house.

The move by parliament is a challenge to EU gun control rules which restrict civilians from possessing certain kinds of semi-automatic weapons.

The EU argues its move is a much-needed counter-terrorism measure.

But the Czech parliament took a different view, arguing that allowing people to bear arms enables them to defend themselves against terrorism."
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They are fighting back rather than let the Muslims take over unlike the rest of Europe who is merely sitting on their hands and letting it happen.
 
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