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Czechs adopt second amendment

I'm a bit initially bothered by framing their decision in the context of some other country's legal documents.
 
Aepervius said:
.... it ain't the free for all the US have. So there is no comparison.
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Free for all; not the situation I have in mind when considering all of the restrictions and other crap I have to put up with to own and/or use firearms where I live in the northwest USA. I don't think the USA is the gun heaven (or hell) that you think it is.

Ranb
 
Haha .. we're famous !

It's aimed mainly against EU.

Czech Republic has at the moment quite benevolent gun laws. You can have guns for you own protection, not just hunting, collecting, or job. You need license as a holder which is similar to driver's license in how difficult it is to get. All guns have to be registered, and you are responsible for keeping them safe.
You can have similar gun types as in US .. semi-auto rifles and pistols with no limit on magazine size. Obviously no full-auto.
Now .. EU wants to regulate guns. It's logical. You have free movement of people, but guns are at the moment regulated locally. That's recipe for trouble. And there are huge differences in gun laws in different countries. It's said that guns used in Charlie Hebdo were bought in Slovakia or Czech Republic .. but then note there would be illegal even today, as they were full auto deactivated (and fixed).
Anyway, EU wants to pass directive which will at least somehow regulate local gun laws, as they feel us, the 'wild east', is too benevolent, and they also feel they 'have to do something' . Same stuff as in US .. mostly magazine sizes .. in the style of 'nobody needs that many rounds, except terrorist'.
This is very unpopular in Czech Republic at the moment. Not that we are concerned about magazine sizes. We don't like EU teaching us anything about security.
Especially with all this refugee crisis and current terrorism wave. People are scared. Not that there is real reason for concern .. Germany has four times higher average wage. No refugees are coming to us (from south, many comes from Russia, Ukraine and such). There is no Muslim minority which could be radicalized. And then you have all the argument if armed civilians are any good against terrorism .. as chance one will be there, able and willing to intervene, is pretty slim.
Still people are scared, and number of new gun licenses issued every year doubled since 2015.
Local politics know all that. Refugees and EU will be issue number one in upcoming parliament elections. The agreement over the constitutional change was overwhelming, and in current parliament unheard of.
They idea is EU won't be able to dictate gun laws, if it's in our constitution. That's all. It's not supposed to give any new rights. The wording actually seems to be more about duty to me. But it's aimed against expected EU directive.
There is certainly no gun culture as in US here. We have rich history of gun manufacturing. We have tons of hunters. I certainly know people who own guns. But I don't know any carrying one ready to use. There is no need.
I actually think of getting license myself .. not because I'm scared, but I'm kinda enthusiast, and it might indeed be harder to get the license and/or guns later.
 
McHrozni said:
The story is poorly written. The amendment itself doesn't stipulate the Czechs are allowed to use firearms to kill terrorists, but that they have the right to purchase and carry the firearms:

Citizens of the Czech Republic have the right to acquire, possess and carry firearms and ammunition for the purpose of protection of life, health and property and thus participate in the provision of internal order and security as well as of territorial integrity, sovereignty and democratic order of the Czech Republic. Terms and conditions shall be determined by a law.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...vernment-considers-constitutional-right-arms/

They basically created a national volunteer vigilante militia that is supposed to provide its own weapons. I hope they regulate it as well, because this is a recipe for trouble - see Venezuelan collectivos for more on that.

McHrozni
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I hope it's well regulated. Only a well discipline, tactically proficient, professional with strong marksmanship skills and knowledge of the lawful employment of deadly force can stop a bad guy with a gun.
 
Ranb said:
Free for all; not the situation I have in mind when considering all of the restrictions and other crap I have to put up with to own and/or use firearms where I live in the northwest USA. I don't think the USA is the gun heaven (or hell) that you think it is.

Ranb
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Come visit Florida.
 
Aepervius said:
It isn't that the Czech are changing toward a US model or second amendment, it is that they want to keep the thing they are today.
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Dr.Sid said:
Haha .. we're famous !

It's aimed mainly against EU. We have rich history of gun manufacturing. We have tons of hunters. I certainly know people who own guns. But I don't know any carrying one ready to use. There is no need.
I actually think of getting license myself .. not because I'm scared, but I'm kinda enthusiast, and it might indeed be harder to get the license and/or guns later.
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Thank you both for your elaboration. Good hunting.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Haha .. we're famous !

It's aimed mainly against EU.

Czech Republic has at the moment quite benevolent gun laws. You can have guns for you own protection, not just hunting, collecting, or job. You need license as a holder which is similar to driver's license in how difficult it is to get. All guns have to be registered, and you are responsible for keeping them safe.
You can have similar gun types as in US .. semi-auto rifles and pistols with no limit on magazine size. Obviously no full-auto.
Now .. EU wants to regulate guns. It's logical. You have free movement of people, but guns are at the moment regulated locally. That's recipe for trouble. And there are huge differences in gun laws in different countries. It's said that guns used in Charlie Hebdo were bought in Slovakia or Czech Republic .. but then note there would be illegal even today, as they were full auto deactivated (and fixed).
Anyway, EU wants to pass directive which will at least somehow regulate local gun laws, as they feel us, the 'wild east', is too benevolent, and they also feel they 'have to do something' . Same stuff as in US .. mostly magazine sizes .. in the style of 'nobody needs that many rounds, except terrorist'.
This is very unpopular in Czech Republic at the moment. Not that we are concerned about magazine sizes. We don't like EU teaching us anything about security.
Especially with all this refugee crisis and current terrorism wave. People are scared. Not that there is real reason for concern .. Germany has four times higher average wage. No refugees are coming to us (from south, many comes from Russia, Ukraine and such). There is no Muslim minority which could be radicalized. And then you have all the argument if armed civilians are any good against terrorism .. as chance one will be there, able and willing to intervene, is pretty slim.
Still people are scared, and number of new gun licenses issued every year doubled since 2015.
Local politics know all that. Refugees and EU will be issue number one in upcoming parliament elections. The agreement over the constitutional change was overwhelming, and in current parliament unheard of.
They idea is EU won't be able to dictate gun laws, if it's in our constitution. That's all. It's not supposed to give any new rights. The wording actually seems to be more about duty to me. But it's aimed against expected EU directive.
There is certainly no gun culture as in US here. We have rich history of gun manufacturing. We have tons of hunters. I certainly know people who own guns. But I don't know any carrying one ready to use. There is no need.
I actually think of getting license myself .. not because I'm scared, but I'm kinda enthusiast, and it might indeed be harder to get the license and/or guns later.
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Two things: We don't have benevolent gun laws and second, there is severe lack of evidence of clash between Czech laws and EU directive.

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Cainkane1 said:
Giz said:
It seems that the Czechs have decided to go a different route to the rest of the EU when it comes to the response to terrorist attacks:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40438378

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"The amendment gives Czechs the right to use firearms during terrorist attacks.

It was passed by the lower house by a big majority, and is likewise expected to be approved by the upper house.

The move by parliament is a challenge to EU gun control rules which restrict civilians from possessing certain kinds of semi-automatic weapons.

The EU argues its move is a much-needed counter-terrorism measure.

But the Czech parliament took a different view, arguing that allowing people to bear arms enables them to defend themselves against terrorism."
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They are fighting back rather than let the Muslims take over unlike the rest of Europe who is merely sitting on their hands and letting it happen.
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Pure nonsense. Hilariously wrong.
 
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Klimax said:
Two things: We don't have benevolent gun laws and second, there is severe lack of evidence of clash between Czech laws and EU
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First - we do, compared to most of the other EU countries, we do. Concealed carry for personal defense, just because I said so, on 'shall issue' basis .. that's quite benevolent.

Second - sure there is. Since when do our politicians behave rationally ? :D
 
Dr.Sid said:
First - we do, compared to most of the other EU countries, we do. Concealed carry for personal defense, just because I said so, on 'shall issue' basis .. that's quite benevolent.

Second - sure there is. Since when do our politicians behave rationally ? :D
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"Shall issue" only when meeting various conditions. And personal defense will get quickly challenged in criminal trial as excessive use of force. Have fun.

IMO we got balance right. (Only few incidents involving legally held guns over years) Although self-defense law might need some improvement. (See that excessive use of force)
 
Klimax said:
"Shall issue" only when meeting various conditions. And personal defense will get quickly challenged in criminal trial as excessive use of force. Have fun.

IMO we got balance right. (Only few incidents involving legally held guns over years) Although self-defense law might need some improvement. (See that excessive use of force)
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Indeed .. I think our system would help USA a lot. I believe it would help with illegal sales, and it wouldn't limit normal gun owners. But then they clearly have troubles keeping records of any kind, so I guess we have to wait, till they enter informational age. :D

And yes, self-defense is pretty bad in Czech law, but that's bigger topic than just guns.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Indeed .. I think our system would help USA a lot. I believe it would help with illegal sales, and it wouldn't limit normal gun owners. But then they clearly have troubles keeping records of any kind, so I guess we have to wait, till they enter informational age. :D

And yes, self-defense is pretty bad in Czech law, but that's bigger topic than just guns.
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Waiting on Americans to enter information age? Greece will sooner fix itself and be prosperous then that...
 
Klimax said:
Waiting on Americans to enter information age? Greece will sooner fix itself and be prosperous then that...
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Yes! When will America finally produce its Amazon, its Google? When will America finally produce its Cisco, its SPAWAR? When will America produce its Netflix? When will America produce its own Information wonders, and share them with the world? When, oh, when, will America *ever* enter the Information Age?!
 
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theprestige said:
Yes! When will America finally produce its Amazon, its Google? When will America finally produce its Cisco, its SPAWAR? When will America produce its Netflix? When will America produce its own Information wonders, and share them with the world? When, oh, when, will America *ever* enter the Information Age?!
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They'll get around to it 40 years ago.
 
theprestige said:
Yes! When will America finally produce its Amazon, its Google? When will America finally produce its Cisco, its SPAWAR? When will America produce its Netflix? When will America produce its own Information wonders, and share them with the world? When, oh, when, will America *ever* enter the Information Age?!
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Individual corporation that need a lot of import of foreign brains to actually work (and still have many WTFs abound including grossly outdated IS and other funny ideas)... and that is still only part of country. Something called government is another part and story...

ETA: In any case, we got all that stuff at similar time as you. In fact we got Amazons before Amazon. And that was after 40 years under communistic rule...
 
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America is a strange mix of advanced technology and backwards society, except in some areas the technology is backwards and the society is advanced.
 
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