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Criminal Behavior Against US Police Officers

Black undercover cop suffers permanent neck injury at a BLM protest after being gang beat by a trio of racists.

A Black police officer was undercover with a white colleague during a protest in 2017 when they were both arrested by their unknowing co-workers. The white officer walked away unharmed—but the Black officer had his phone smashed, was beaten, and suffered permanent neck injuries.

Dustin Boone, a former cop with the St. Louis Police Department, was found guilty Thursday of depriving his injured fellow officer, Detective Luther Hall, of his civil rights. The deprivation of rights under color of law is a felony civil rights charge and could put the ex-cop behind bars for up to 10 years.
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgxa47/a-group-of-white-cops-beat-a-black-undercover-officer-at-a-blm-protest
 
Bogative said:
Did you ever use toe boards, roof jacks, a safety harness, scaffolding, temporary safety rails or make sure your ladder was secure before you got on a roof?

If yes, that means you are an overly anxious, paranoid coward. The dangers inherent to being a roofer are known and include the prospect of a fall leading to severe injury or even death.

Maybe send the pizza delivery boy and convenience store clerk up on the next three-story 12/12 roof you do, it'll be a walk in the park compared to the danger they're exposed to.
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Yeah, I hear you. But man, the whole argument is difficult. In theory, I support cops and want to give them every opportunity to make it home alive. In practice, virtually every cop I've interacted with was a flaming cowardly douchebag on a power trip.

I've had guns pointed at me by cops several times (not sure of the exact number because of lights In the eyes), usually when I was doing nothing wrong, or when I seemed to be posing the most remote threat. Hard to lobby too hard for them IME.
 
A Clay County, Texas Deputy was shot as he approached a car he had pulled over for having a stolen license plate.

The shooting occurred in the parking lot of a convenience store, there is still no word on the condition of the clerk.
 
Thermal said:
Agreed. Its the "hurr durr, it's more dangerous to be a pizza guy" argument I am arguing against. Its not. There may be more pizza guys shot or robbed, but if cops weren't able to be proactive, if bet there would be a deluge of cop casualties to make pizza guy feel like a whiner.
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You don't know that. For all you know the aggressive behaviour of cops and the fact that they are known to be armed actually makes their job more dangerous.

We'd have to compare with other countries, but the comparison is never really exact.
 
Belz... said:
You don't know that. For all you know the aggressive behaviour of cops and the fact that they are known to be armed actually makes their job more dangerous.

We'd have to compare with other countries, but the comparison is never really exact.
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That's true. My argument is using casualty rates as the sole indicator of danger. Dangers presented are the issue. If dealt with well, there would be low casualties (hence, *safer*) even though more dangers are present.

Think of steelworkers on skyscrapers. One small slip and you are dead. But they knock themselves out to mitigate the danger, so it appears to be a relatively safe profession
 
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Thermal said:
Agreed. Its the "hurr durr, it's more dangerous to be a pizza guy" argument I am arguing against. Its not. There may be more pizza guys shot or robbed, but if cops weren't able to be proactive, if bet there would be a deluge of cop casualties to make pizza guy feel like a whiner.
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How often are cops in said danger because of them being "proactive"? What if there were fewer cops taking seminars from guys like Dave Grossman?

Is it possible that a lot of the danger cops face is due to the way cops in general approach situations? Or the expectations we as a society have on them?
 
Donal said:
How often are cops in said danger because of them being "proactive"? What if there were fewer cops taking seminars from guys like Dave Grossman?

Is it possible that a lot of the danger cops face is due to the way cops in general approach situations? Or the expectations we as a society have on them?
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That veers into other things as well. How terrible has the Reid Technique proven to be over the years? I'm pretty sure, without any research, that it has been banned in other countries due to it's problems. Yet it's still a primary tool here in the US.
 
plague311 said:
That veers into other things as well. How terrible has the Reid Technique proven to be over the years? I'm pretty sure, without any research, that it has been banned in other countries due to it's problems. Yet it's still a primary tool here in the US.
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Really, I thought that was just for TV dramas? Akin to the old white line outline!
 
Donal said:
How often are cops in said danger because of them being "proactive"? What if there were fewer cops taking seminars from guys like Dave Grossman?

Is it possible that a lot of the danger cops face is due to the way cops in general approach situations? Or the expectations we as a society have on them?
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Oh, agreed. I think that's a tough needle to thread though. Its also why I think cops should face harsher penalties for unwarranted aggression, kind of like doubling traffic fines in road work areas. We are trusting them and affording them benefit of the doubt. Being caught betraying that trust should be dealt with severely.

As I said elsewhere, I've had police point guns at me a few times. Only once did I appear armed and threatening (long story and I don't blame them). I think every other cop that pulled a gun on me should be banned from law enforcement and not permitted to own or handle weapons at all.
 
Belz... said:
"If I post enough stories of police in tough situations, maybe they'll stop complaining about police brutality."

No, see the two have nothing to do with one another.
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What is either amusing or pathetic depending on your point of view is that the guy we are talking about is so damn obvious about it.
 
Darat said:
Really, I thought that was just for TV dramas? Akin to the old white line outline!
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It just got some extra negative light here in the U.S. because of the drama on Netflix about the Central Park 5. It was basically called a **** method of getting a confession, and Reid and Associates sued, saying it worked fine but the cops just weren't using it right. They lost.

When you know cops can lie to you, make stuff up out of whole cloth, and do anything necessary to get a confession, I'd imagine it leads to some tension. I can imagine that some people don't trust cops, and don't want to deal with them, even violently so. I doubt most of the instance Bogative has conveniently found for this thread are related, but you never know.

There will never be another time in my life where I sit down to talk with a cop without a lawyer present. Ever. Not even on the phone.
 
A San Bernardino, California Deputy was attempting to stop a vehicle when he was shot.

Surveillance footage taken near the scene of the shooting shows the patrol car with its siren blaring as it pursues a white car. As the deputy’s vehicle rounds a corner in pursuit, what sounds like at least 20 gunshots ring out, and the patrol car comes to a halt.
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Structural systems are to blame, maybe speed limits or something.




A Johnson County, Kentucky Deputy was shot after stopping a domestic violence suspect.

Three agencies responded to the shooting. We are told that the situation started with a traffic stop.
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Thermal said:
Oh, agreed. I think that's a tough needle to thread though. Its also why I think cops should face harsher penalties for unwarranted aggression, kind of like doubling traffic fines in road work areas. We are trusting them and affording them benefit of the doubt. Being caught betraying that trust should be dealt with severely.

As I said elsewhere, I've had police point guns at me a few times. Only once did I appear armed and threatening (long story and I don't blame them). I think every other cop that pulled a gun on me should be banned from law enforcement and not permitted to own or handle weapons at all.
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Seems to me that's a tough nut to crack in the current US police climate. It appears they are so used to closing ranks around obvious bad apples it would take a massive over-haul of attitudes, personnel and practise for that to happen. I mean it doesn't appear they have a proper system in place to even report police killings.
 
To the OP.
No one is falling for your idea;we are not going to stop critising police brutality.
And I think your avatar tells us exactly where you are coming from.
 
The biggest killer of cops in 2020 was covid, larger than all other on-the-job fatalities combined.

Good thing police departments aren't staffed up with a bunch of anti-vaxx nutcases!

LAPD Chief Michel Moore told the civilian Police Commission on Tuesday that the department had 33 personnel test positive for the coronavirus in the last week, a sharp uptick compared to recent weeks.

Over the course of the three prior weeks, the department had seen 19 new cases, Moore told the commission last week. At the prior commission meeting on June 29, Moore reported just one new case among LAPD personnel during the week prior.

Moore’s comments come amid escalating discussions at the city level on whether to mandate vaccinations among city employees, which would include police officers and civilian police employees.

Vaccinations among LAPD personnel stalled out months ago, with nearly half the department remaining unvaccinated.
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https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-27/la-considers-vaccine-mandates-lapd-infections-spike

Gonna be hard for cops to be victims of violent crimes if they're all on ventilators
 
Bogative said:
A San Bernardino, California Deputy was attempting to stop a vehicle when he was shot.
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Update:
He was trying to stop a vehicle in the area of 10th Street and Waterman Avenue before engaging in a short pursuit, officials said.

After making a turn, the gunman got out of his vehicle, took out a rifle and “laid in wait” for the deputy, officials said Wednesday, calling the incident “an ambush situation.”

As the deputy caught up, the gunman fired multiple rounds.
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A routine traffic stop turned into an ambush with a long gun. It's yet to be determined if this was an "over policing" situation, the ethnicity of the shooter is still unknown.


2 SWAT officers were shot while arresting the suspect:

Olikong was described as a gang member from San Bernardino who has an extensive criminal history. He had previously been arrested on suspicion of violent robbery and assault with a deadly weapon, and he had a $200,000 warrant out for his arrest, McBride said.
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No pizza delivery drivers were harmed during the incident.
 
A Burleson County, Texas Chief Deputy was shot in the face while serving a warrant.

After an eight hour standoff with law enforcement, the suspect walked out of his home and shot a state trooper who was trying to take him into custody.

The "trained, professional counselors" route didn't work this time.


Chief Joseph Kelly III was shot in the hand and the ear while assisting a Bucks County probation officer perform a probation check.

The two officers were greeted with a shotgun blast through the front door.
 
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