Corbyn did win, what's next?

GlennB said:
Ah, Mandelson. Has British politics ever known such a corrupt, self-seeking ****** The pro-Corbyn sentiment within the broad Labour movement is largely a reaction against the likes of Mandelson and those others who can only ever hope to be Mandelson-lite (many Labour MPs, that is)
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Yes. Is it not shameless for that squalid crook to say this?

In choosing Corbyn instead of Ed Miliband, the general public now feel we are just putting two fingers up to them, exchanging one loser for an even worse one.​

An excerpt from his wiki bio:

Mandelson bought a home in Notting Hill in 1996 with the assistance of an interest-free loan of £373,000 from Geoffrey Robinson, a millionaire Labour MP who was also in the government and subject to an inquiry into his business dealings by Mandelson's department. Mandelson contended that he had deliberately not taken part in any decisions relating to Robinson. However he had not declared the loan in the Register of Members' Interests, and resigned on 23 December 1998.​

But this did not reduce his standing with his Dear Leader, nor with the Party Conference hacks, though rank and file members appear to have taken a different view.

An opinion poll conducted by the centre-left think tank Compass found in March 2009 that Mandelson was less disliked by party members than deputy party leader Harriet Harman. This was felt to be unusual as Mandelson "historically has been unpopular among Labour members". Tony Blair's assertion in 1996 that "my project will be complete when the Labour Party learns to love Peter Mandelson" was seen as prophetic in late September 2009 when Mandelson was enthusiastically received at the party conference in Brighton.​
 
... and he was bought back by dear Tony, but then had to resign a second time over a scandal involving the Millennium Dome.

A sleazy bag of **** - it amazes me that any self-respecting media channel would ever allow him space to propagate his lies.
 
MikeG said:
I'm seeing a lot of this: blaming the press for his unpopularity. With respect, I think that is bollocks. His public statements, policy positions and voting record over the years is the reason for his unpopularity. It isn't the press' fault at all.
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Sure he has to justify his words and deeds in the past however I hope we can agree that

The UK press is largely right wing.
They push their agenda
That agenda involves focusing on the worst aspects of Corbyn not the best.

Beyond that I think there is evidence of an unfair spin put on Corbyn stories
For example
Private eye
 
Lothian said:
.....I hope we can agree that

The UK press is largely right wing.
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Marginally, perhaps. Not overwhelmingly so. It depends what you want to call "the press". I don't think many would immediately think of a satirical magazine in that context, and Private Eye is merciless to both sides of the political spectrum. Utterly even-handed in its destruction of hubris.
 
MikeG said:
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Marginally, perhaps. Not overwhelmingly so. It depends what you want to call "the press". I don't think many would immediately think of a satirical magazine in that context, and Private Eye is merciless to both sides of the political spectrum. Utterly even-handed in its destruction of hubris.
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Thinking about the English/Welsh national newpapers:

Right Wing:
Daily Mail
Daily Express
Daily Star
Sun
Daily Telegraph

Centreist
The Independent
The Times (though I think it's right wing)

Left Wing
Daily Mirror
The Guardian


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I think you misunderstood Lothian's reference to Private Eye. He wasn't saying that Private Eye is right wing, his link provided examples of how what Jeremy Corbyn actually said bears little or no resemblance to the headline in the "right wing" press.
 
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The Don said:
Thinking about the English/Welsh national newpapers:

Right Wing:
Daily Mail
Daily Express
Daily Star
Sun
Daily Telegraph

Centreist
The Independent
The Times (though I think it's right wing)

Left Wing
Daily Mirror
The Guardian


edited to add....

I think you misunderstood Lothian's reference to Private Eye. He wasn't saying that Private Eye is right wing, his link provided examples of how what Jeremy Corbyn actually said bears little or no resemblance to the headline in the "right wing" press.
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And Centre-left; the BBC.
 
The Don said:
Thinking about the English/Welsh national newpapers:

Right Wing:
Daily Mail
Daily Express
Daily Star
Sun
Daily Telegraph

Centreist
The Independent
The Times (though I think it's right wing)

Left Wing
Daily Mirror
The Guardian

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Yep, that's fair.

I think that list supports broadly my comment that the balance was marginal but not overwhelming.
 
In terms of circulation it's much more dramatic. Mind you, I'm not sure how we'd tell whether newspapers create opinion or just reflect it. I used to buy The Mail sometimes for its compact size, good cartoons and the daily bridge column. Also to find out what the enemy was thinking ;)
 
GlennB said:
In terms of circulation it's much more dramatic. Mind you, I'm not sure how we'd tell whether newspapers create opinion or just reflect it. I used to buy The Mail sometimes for its compact size, good cartoons and the daily bridge column. Also to find out what the enemy was thinking ;)
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That's true. The right-wing media cheats by being more popular and selling more newspapers.
 
MikeG said:
His public statements, policy positions and voting record over the years is the reason for his unpopularity. It isn't the press' fault at all.
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Is it opposite day in England? Or have I misread something?

His unpopularity?

This is the bloke who just a fortnight back swept to victory against a huge field in the first round by a massive margin?

And that's unpopular?

Huh.
 
The Atheist said:
Is it opposite day in England? Or have I misread something?

His unpopularity?

This is the bloke who just a fortnight back swept to victory against a huge field in the first round by a massive margin?

And that's unpopular?

Huh.
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I know some people are confused by this, but popularity and unpopularity are not simple opposites. You can be both, and you can also be neither. If (as a politician) 1% of the population likes you and 1% hates you, you're not really either. If 50% likes you and 50% hates you, you're both. To add to this, there are also different relevant populations depending on the issue at hand, and the popularity or unpopularity of a person can change depending on which population you're talking about.

Corbyn is popular in the sense that he's got a lot of supporters. But he's also unpopular in the sense that he's got a lot of people who strongly oppose him. His popularity within the party doesn't prevent him from being unpopular with the public as a whole.
 
Craig B said:
In the Torygraph? Dear me, what's the world coming to?
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Fair point, but I gather The Fail can hardly publish a paper without finding an excuse for a lingerie/swimwear/sporty ladies feature.

Hardly surprising given that their boss is "Dirty Desmond" -

Mandrake [of The Telegraph] hears that the Prime Minister is entertaining Richard Desmond, the porn baron, at Chequers this weekend.

As well as making his fortune from pornography, Desmond delivered a damaging blow to the self-regulation of Fleet Street by withdrawing his four national newspapers from the press watchdog, the PCC.

The tycoon, who once goose-stepped around a boardroom and accused all Germans of being Nazis during a meeting with executives of The Daily Telegraph, was criticised at the Leveson inquiry.

But, hey, it's an article from The Telegraph - are they to be trusted?

Good to know that our democracy is guided by papers that hack the phones of dead girls and royalty, make fortunes from porn and think it's funny to goose-step around meetings.

But cosy relationships like that of a crook like Rebekkah Brooks with David Cameron (weekends together horse riding, and the like) attract less opprobrium - headline-wise - than Corbyn's failure to sing the national anthem.

Britain is utterly sick in this way, and it's exactly why Corbyn attracts support.
 
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angrysoba said:
Richard Desmond owns the Express, not the Mail.
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So much for that rant :) Whatever, however.

Soundbite: Father of current Lord Rothermere "loved Great Britain so much he went to live in France as a tax exile" adds Private Eye editor.

It's so easy!
 
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