Corbyn did win, what's next?

[angrysoba]

Absolutely true. Labour's error was to meekly just accept the narrative for a number of months instead of getting out there and challenging it. They were too busy apologising to say "Hey ! Where did you say you were going to do anything differently".

This is why I don't think Ed Miliband could be seen as to the left of the party. Although his name rhymed with red and his father hated Britain, apparently, I don't remember any left-wing policies that he championed. In fact, I don't remember anything coherent at all from Ed.

 

[The Don]

No, indeed, but that's because they had just suffered an enormous thumping at the polls and thus were in no position to start loud-mouthing. Furthermore, they were going through leaders at a rate of knots....flapping around without any direction, and with no-one in charge. Expecting anything coherent from them at that point would have been optimistic.

They still found time to propose less bank regulation:

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2012...ed-even-less-regulation-of-banks-than-labour/

Some choice quotes:

The (Labour) government claims that this regulation is all necessary. They seem to believe that without it banks could steal our money ……………

We need to make it more difficult for ministers to regulate, and we need to give the critics of regulation more opportunity to make their case against specific new proposals………

They weren't flapping around, they had clearly defined and stated policies.

 

[MikeG]

.......They weren't flapping around.....

Three leaders in 4 years over the time we are talking about. If that isn't suggestive of "flapping around", then I don't know what is.

 

[Aber]

They still found time to propose less bank regulation:

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2012...ed-even-less-regulation-of-banks-than-labour/

Have you looked at page 14 of the underlying report where it criticises the split of banking regulation between the FSA and BoE, saying it would be safer with the BoE in case of a banking crisis?

Most of the rest eg money laundering regulations is about how financial institutions deal with retail investors and has little to do with the banking crisis.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

This is why I don't think Ed Miliband could be seen as to the left of the party. Although his name rhymed with red and his father hated Britain, apparently, I don't remember any left-wing policies that he championed. In fact, I don't remember anything coherent at all from Ed.

In hindsight, the Tories won due to how weak and divided their opposition were, not due to inherent strengths.

 

[The Atheist]

Shows his class.

Not interested in pigs, tax deals are what matters.

 

[The Atheist]

Oh yeah, and 50,000 people have joined Labour since Corbyn won.

To give that a little perspective, the Lib-Dem entire membership is 67,000 and UKIP's is 47,000.

When did fifty thousand people last join a political party in the space of 2.5 weeks?

Fifty. Thousand.

The public hate this guy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...leader-than-are-in-the-lib-dems-10512815.html

 

[Damien Evans]

Oh yeah, and 50,000 people have joined Labour since Corbyn won.

To give that a little perspective, the Lib-Dem entire membership is 67,000 and UKIP's is 47,000.

When did fifty thousand people last join a political party in the space of 2.5 weeks?

Fifty. Thousand.

The public hate this guy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...leader-than-are-in-the-lib-dems-10512815.html

I think the SNP pulled off something similar after the referendum.

 

[Sunstealer]

Oh yeah, and 50,000 people have joined Labour since Corbyn won.

To give that a little perspective, the Lib-Dem entire membership is 67,000 and UKIP's is 47,000.

When did fifty thousand people last join a political party in the space of 2.5 weeks?

Fifty. Thousand.

The public hate this guy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...leader-than-are-in-the-lib-dems-10512815.html

Jeremy Corbyn becomes first Labour leader ever to score negative debut poll rating

Jeremy Corbyn has become the first Labour leader to score a negative poll rating on his debut, Ipsos-MORI has confirmed.

The left-wing firebrand scored minus three - worse than every other party leader since 1980, including Ed Miliband.

His rating was also worse than the Conservatives Iain Duncan Smith and William Hague.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ever-to-score-negative-debut-poll-rating.html

Onwards and upwards comrade!

 

[dudalb]

Good thing for Labor is plenty of time for them to drop Corbyn before the next election.

 

[ohms]

Good thing for Labor is plenty of time for them to drop Corbyn before the next election.

I can't see that happening for a little while as he has a clear mandate to lead the party. Perhaps he will come up with something to convince people he could be the next PM at the conference next week but I shan't hold me breath.

 

[MikeG]

I can't see that happening for a little while as he has a clear mandate to lead the party. Perhaps he will come up with something to convince people he could be the next PM at the conference next week but I shan't hold me breath.

This could be fun to watch. The contortions of the MPs trying to sound supportive of someone they detest will be in stark contrast to the adoration of the new three pound supporters who think Corbyn is the messiah.

 

[The Atheist]

Jeremy Corbyn becomes first Labour leader ever to score negative debut poll rating

Given the results of the others on the list, it looks like good news.

 

[GlennB]

Cameron is more "out of touch" by 64-39
He also is "more style than substance" by 45-25
Corbyn wins on "more honest than most" by 54-30

Utter bollocks, all round.

I'm wagering Cameron won't lead the Tories into the next election

eta: more seriously, I'll also wager it isn't Osborne or Johnson. Hammond? Gove? Shurely not?

 

[trustbutverify]

What made you want to vote for an anti-semitic, misogynistic, paedophile-enabling dinosaur? Are you not ashamed?

Are any criticisms of Corbyn legitimate, or must they all be dismissed with this type of tap dance? There's a lot I like about him, and I probably would have voted for him, if I were eligible. But there's plenty to criticize, including supporting medical scams and racist scumbags.

 

[uk_dave]

Lord Mandelson has advised Labour Party members unhappy at the election of Jeremy Corbyn not to be in a hurry to see him replaced as leader.
In comments seen by the Guardian newspaper, the peer argues Mr Corbyn has to demonstrate his "unelectability" at the polls before facing a challenge.
Last month, Lord Mandelson warned that Labour could be in "mortal danger" if Mr Corbyn won the party's leadership.
Mr Corbyn's team and the Labour Party have not commented on the remarks.
In a private paper circulated to political associates last week, Lord Mandelson told opponents of Mr Corbyn to prepare for the "long haul".
He said: "In choosing Corbyn instead of Ed Miliband, the general public now feel we are just putting two fingers up to them, exchanging one loser for an even worse one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34355545

 

[GlennB]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34355545

Ah, Mandelson. Has British politics ever known such a corrupt, self-seeking ****** The pro-Corbyn sentiment within the broad Labour movement is largely a reaction against the likes of Mandelson and those others who can only ever hope to be Mandelson-lite (many Labour MPs, that is)

 

[angrysoba]

Are any criticisms of Corbyn legitimate, or must they all be dismissed with this type of tap dance? There's a lot I like about him, and I probably would have voted for him, if I were eligible. But there's plenty to criticize, including supporting medical scams and racist scumbags.

If you would have voted for him despite your concerns then it is for you, not for me, to explain why such concerns are to be dismissed. So, what's YOUR answer? No tap dancing, please!

 

[Lothian]

Are any criticisms of Corbyn legitimate, or must they all be dismissed with this type of tap dance? There's a lot I like about him, and I probably would have voted for him, if I were eligible. But there's plenty to criticize, including supporting medical scams and racist scumbags.

Everyone has skeletons in their closet or pictures of their dicks in a pig's mouth.....

Corbyn lacks the smarmy skills to get elected. I doubt he is the long term future of the party however...... Labour membership dwindled; what was left was mainly a right wing "new labour" element reflected by the fact that MPs struggled to put a left wing candidate up and only managed it with a number holding their nose to nominate him.

It has however had a totally unexpected effect. It has either rekindled the left wing's enthusiasm or brought new people around to that way of thinking. Membership has soared.

Whatever Corbyns personal views, it appears that under his leadership Labour policy will be decided by the party as opposed to being dictated from the top.

I don't think anyone knows how that will play with the public. The press will give him a hard time, but they also need to sell papers, which they won't if they carry on attacking him in the face public support.

My view is that the press will be too strong and he will struggle to get the justification for new policies out. They will be dismissed with a flippant slur. Time will tell.

 

[MikeG]

........
I don't think anyone knows how that will play with the public. The press will give him a hard time, but they also need to sell papers, which they won't if they carry on attacking him in the face public support.

My view is that the press will be too strong and he will struggle to get the justification for new policies out. They will be dismissed with a flippant slur. Time will tell.

I'm seeing a lot of this: blaming the press for his unpopularity. With respect, I think that is bollocks. His public statements, policy positions and voting record over the years is the reason for his unpopularity. It isn't the press' fault at all.