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Corbyn did win, what's next?

Corbyn's cancelled a big speech he was going to make today in light of the Paris attacks. The content was obviously released in advance though.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34819130

The Labour leader was set to say: "For the past 14 years, Britain has been at the centre of a succession of disastrous wars that have brought devastation to large parts of the wider Middle East.

"They have increased, not diminished, the threats to our own national security in the process".

He would have added: "What's pro-British about a government that slashes support for serving soldiers and military veterans?

"How is it patriotic to take money from the poorest, from working families, and hand control of your country to a super-rich elite?"

Apparently there was also going to be something about the Tory party being the political wing of hedge funds and bankers.
 
Corbyn's cancelled a big speech he was going to make today in light of the Paris attacks. The content was obviously released in advance though.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34819130

Apparently there was also going to be something about the Tory party being the political wing of hedge funds and bankers.

I agree with what Corbyn said there. I only just wish Corbyn had a bit more business nous and practical experience, such as housing of refugees or barking dogs day and night, or he will never get elected. Even some sort of military training and strategic ability. Was he ever in the school cadet force? He doesn't seem to have much clue about bulk intervention by GCHQ of politicians, and of everybody else. That's probably because it is never reported in the media.

Everybody has got to assume now that their telephone is tapped, which I think is unfortunate and satisfactory. The public seems to think it is just something to do with terrorists, who don't all seem to be being caught by this mass surveillance. More intelligent intelligence is needed. How about some good old-fashioned police spies?

Edward Snowden knows more about this than me, but that isn't being reported either. Perhaps Pixel42 could help mug him up on this matter, if it doesn't break the official secrets act?

If you complain about the matter of bugging to the National Council for Civil Liberties, or Liberty as it now known, they immediately change the subject to same sex marriages, or to reducing the age of consent for sex.
 
Is Corbyn a Quaker or pacifist, or something? Personally, I think it was a good idea for Jihadi John to be killed. It saves a lot of money in the long run and it was impractical to try to arrest him, or to put him on trial.

Al this Corbyn stuff about 'shoot to kill' policies comes from the IRA troubles. Nobody ever mentioned the IRA bomb to kill policy. Corbyn doesn't seem to appreciate that governments must sometimes use force, and also be too strong to be attacked. Soldiers are trained to kill and not trained to wound or miss.

I used to live next to a neighbour who was a pacifist and who got a nice BBC official job during the second world war, while my father was sometimes busy surveying roads abroad in the depths of winter. My father only found out later that the roads he had surveyed had been mined, but those mines did not go off because of the snow and ice on them at the time. I'm a bit upset about it.

Corbyn might have a point with regard to those Bloody Sunday shootings in Northern Ireland. Sometimes troops have to try to maintain order, rather like London Bobby policemen. The parachute regiments, or tough American cops, are really not suited to that task. They are trigger happy.
 
Al this Corbyn stuff about 'shoot to kill' policies comes from the IRA troubles. Nobody ever mentioned the IRA bomb to kill policy. Corbyn doesn't seem to appreciate that governments must sometimes use force, and also be too strong to be attacked. Soldiers are trained to kill and not trained to wound or miss.

You're misrepresenting the Shoot to Kill policy. Here's a brief description with the (to me) key words highlighted:

During the period known as "the Troubles" in Northern Ireland, the British Army and Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) were accused of operating a "shoot-to-kill" policy, under which suspects were alleged to have been deliberately killed without any attempt to arrest them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoot-to-kill_policy_in_Northern_Ireland

I agree that the way in which "Jihadi John" was executed may very well have been the least worst way to deal with him but then again I have no idea what the long term repercussions may be. Two years down the line if the assassination of "Jihadi John" has been the catalyst for the recruitment of tens, hundreds or thousands of British suicide bombers we may rue the decision - who knows.

I used to live next to a neighbour who was a pacifist and who got a nice BBC official job during the second world war, while my father was sometimes busy surveying roads abroad in the depths of winter. My father only found out later that the roads he had surveyed had been mined, but those mines did not go off because of the snow and ice on them at the time. I'm a bit upset about it.

Hmmm, I find this difficult to believe in the same way that I find it difficult to believe that your Grandmother in Weston Super Mare claimed that most people had no idea that there was a war on during the First World War. Stories often "mature" after multiple tellings.

I'm not saying that strategic points in the road network weren't prepared to be mined but that it's unlikely that the mines were "live".
 
He's consistent (with his views on the 'tragedy' of Bin Laden's killing):

" Mr Corbyn said it appeared Londoner Mohammed Emwazi had been “held to account” for his crimes but it would have been “far better” if he had been arrested and charged.

Well, at least he didn't describe it as 'a tragedy' this time, although I've no doubt he personally feels it to be.
 
Hmmm, I find this difficult to believe in the same way that I find it difficult to believe that your Grandmother in Weston Super Mare claimed that most people had no idea that there was a war on during the First World War. Stories often "mature" after multiple tellings.

I'm not saying that strategic points in the road network weren't prepared to be mined but that it's unlikely that the mines were "live".

You may be right about that. It was a story my father said in conversation once. I wish now he had written it down when he was alive.

Both my grandmothers, and grandfathers for that matter, lived in Weston-super-Mare, though their ancestors came from different parts of the country. My maternal grandmother was a primary schoolteacher in London during the first world war. She returned to Weston to get married. Both my grandmothers had friends in Weston who were killed in the first world war. That's probably how I came to be born.

London was heavily bombed in the first world war, by Zeppelins and later by ordinary planes, though it's not something that gets much publicity in books or TV documentaries now. The point my grandmother was making is that Weston did not suffer the same fate as London then. It was different in the second world war.

This is an extract from some of her letters then:

1918

"At any moment we might have been struck, but mercifully we escaped the fate of North Street Poplar. We had the worst time of all last night, and I really thought our house would be next. They were fighting just overhead, and dropped nineteen bombs nearby. I counted each one, and the house shook and the door knocker knocked at each explosion. Am ashamed to write this scrawl but we expect them again tonight, it is bright and moonlit, and I don't feel very strong".

I don't think strategy and tactics are Corbyn's strong point. It's just the same with Cameron. The Tory defence minister Fallon only seems interested in disbanding more Army regiments and in the privatisation of the prisons and probation sevice. I was a bit upset when the Gloucestershire regiment was disbanded. It is now incorporated into the Rifles, whatever they are.

This Ken Livingstone's, Corbyn's pal, strategy seems to be to say "Have the police been informed" when confronted by Panzer Grenadier regiments and to tell them not to shoot to kill.. The problem with that is that the police in the Channel Islands, formerly British, were only able to give their Nazi masters a great big salute.
 
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He won, will politics be at all different now?

I'm interested to see his first PM questions. Will he fail like Cameron did in making it anything but a Punch and Judy show. I read he wants to make it more inclusive of back benchers and the public, he has apparently already emailed many of the old and new supporters asking what question they'd like asked.

They shoot horses don't they. Imagine, a mad demented one such as he
who might have other assets, God help the UK if he where ever elected to
office of the prime minister of the UK.
Furthermore, he dresses badly.
 
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Well today he had his own MPs stand up and blatantly side with Cameron over the terrorist response issue. Unprecedented criticism from all sides, he must be the least trusted and most derided man in politics and he's only been in the post a couple of months.
 
Well today he had his own MPs stand up and blatantly side with Cameron over the terrorist response issue. Unprecedented criticism from all sides, he must be the least trusted and most derided man in politics and he's only been in the post a couple of months.

It's easy to destroy Isis on the ground.

The Boeing B52 with the “big belly” modification can easily make life on the ground untenable for Isis, where a single B52 is able to carry 60,000 pounds of conventional ordnance.
Given the area of Al-Raqqah controlled by Isis is about 100 sq Km. A week of concerted bombing by the 20 B52's with this capability would render this area devoid of life.


Great stuff, HMS Defender to provide defence for the French Fleet-
 
Given the area of Al-Raqqah controlled by Isis is about 100 sq Km. A week of concerted bombing by the 20 B52's with this capability would render this area devoid of life.

The vast majority of people in that area are every bit as innocent as the Frogs who got creamed, but since the 300,000 people or so who are about to be vaporised are only sand-*******, nobody's going to bother much.

Excellent plan!
 
It's easy to destroy Isis on the ground.

The Boeing B52 with the “big belly” modification can easily make life on the ground untenable for Isis, where a single B52 is able to carry 60,000 pounds of conventional ordnance.
Given the area of Al-Raqqah controlled by Isis is about 100 sq Km. A week of concerted bombing by the 20 B52's with this capability would render this area devoid of life.
That'll teach these goddam Islamists not to massacre innocent civilians! It would be equally easy to destroy all life in the suburban town of St Denis. That way you'd get the ISIS gang there, and the dog Diesel would still be alive, as long as it hadn't been in St Denis at the time. And hell you could nuke Paris and Brussels and get lots of these fanatics ... in fact if you had a Dr Strangelove-style Doomsday Bomb, you could clear the entire planet of civilian-murdering extremists pretty damn quick
 
Hmmm, I find this difficult to believe in the same way that I find it difficult to believe that your Grandmother in Weston Super Mare claimed that most people had no idea that there was a war on during the First World War. Stories often "mature" after multiple tellings.

I'm not saying that strategic points in the road network weren't prepared to be mined but that it's unlikely that the mines were "live".

I knew I wasn't dreaming. I have found a series of comments my father made after he read a book written by a colleague in the same regiment during the second world war:

"On one occasion in Italy the track I first explored and drove on for several days on survey reconnaissance was later discovered by the Engineers to be heavily mined. Only a series of hard frosts which had frozen the ground solid had prevented my untimely demise".
 
Well today he had his own MPs stand up and blatantly side with Cameron over the terrorist response issue. Unprecedented criticism from all sides, he must be the least trusted and most derided man in politics and he's only been in the post a couple of months.

"Police cuts will make an Isis attack in UK easier, former Scotland Yard chief warns.

His comments came as Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn called for cuts to the police budget to be limited to 5%, with police chiefs braced for the Conservatives to inflict cuts of at least 25%." link

Who's putting us in danger? Remind me ...
 
.......Who's putting us in danger? Remind me ...

I'm not disagreeing with you Glenn, yet, because none of this stuff has been decided. I know a senior policemen and a physio with a contract with the police, and so hear of the extraordinary levels of waste and over-payment that goes on within the police force, even now, after a series of cuts. But to just pick you up on something. "Putting US in danger", you ask. I thought you lived in Greece, and so come under the protection of the Greek police?
 
Well today he had his own MPs stand up and blatantly side with Cameron over the terrorist response issue. Unprecedented criticism from all sides, he must be the least trusted and most derided man in politics and he's only been in the post a couple of months.

I think most Labor MPs understand that Corbyn is the best thing that could have happened to the Tories.
 
I think most Labor MPs understand that Corbyn is the best thing that could have happened to the Tories.

It's compelling watching Labour tear themselves apart much like watching the Tories tear themselves apart over the EU in the 80s....or the Tories tear themselves apart over the EU in the 90s...(and probably again when we have the referendum...)
 
You have the two major parties in the UK in the act of tearing themselves apart.
If the Social Democrats had not made the fatal,stupid,mistake of joining forces with the Tories a few years ago,they would be in a really good position.
 
It's compelling watching Labour tear themselves apart much like watching the Tories tear themselves apart over the EU in the 80s....or the Tories tear themselves apart over the EU in the 90s...(and probably again when we have the referendum...)

That's the amazing thing;the Tories are dropping in popularity like a stone;a great many UK voters are now having deep "buyers regret",and Labor seems unable to capitialize on this because Corbyn scares people off.
 
That's fair enough. Corbyn defied his party whip lots of times when he was a backbench MP.

The Labour MPs that don't want to follow their leader and the official party line are, of course, able to do the same - if they're regular back benchers it just means less chance of immediate promotion. If members of his shadow cabinet want to defy the party whip, then they would normally be expected to resign from their shadow cabinet posts - but Corbyn might decide to let them stay anyway.
 

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