Corbyn did win, what's next?

But my quality/quantity of accomplishments in artistic work is beside the point! Everyone should have a basic income provided by our society, and that would free up everyone to study or create or whatever and make some choices that fulfil their true interests and talents.
Yes, of course. I should work hard, whether I like it or not, so that I can afford to pay you to not work at all.

But if it's all the same to you, I'd rather spend my surplus wealth supporting Joseph Fink, who produces art I actually appreciate and want more of.

You? As far as I'm concerned, you can pay your own way, or you can starve. It's the same deal I got, and I don't see you doing anything to justify making an exception.
 
Tories in disarray. Whatever your political leanings, this Guardian article is funny :)

'Faced with an urgent question from Labour’s Chris Bryant about the exact nature of the [tax credits] review, Grayling [Leader of the house] seemed genuinely confused by the whole issue. “The rapid review definitely won’t be rushed,” he insisted'

'For the first time, Corbyn stuck to the same topic for all six of his questions and Dave was left opening and closing his mouth like a demented goldfish...'

I listened to PMQ on the radio and was impressed at Corbyn's quiet doggedness. I guess that the Labour Party spin doctors have decided that he's never get an answer out of "Dave" so why not show how he fails to give an answer instead.
 
I listened to PMQ on the radio and was impressed at Corbyn's quiet doggedness. I guess that the Labour Party spin doctors have decided that he's never get an answer out of "Dave" so why not show how he fails to give an answer instead.

And set an example of how to be reasonable? Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Corbyn sees himself as a minor sacrifice towards a common good. I really doubt that he has any ambitions whatsoever to the 'top job', in fact I suspect he'd shun it pdq.

Meanwhile, it seems Osborne's tax credit scheme is pretty much dead in the water already:

Tax credit cuts face major mitigation as Tory MPs fear they 'go too far'

My bolding.
 
Seems to be really getting to Cameron that he can't get a rise out of Corbyn at PMQ. Hope Corbyn doesn't as it does show that Cameron is all noise and no substance.
 
The Cameron government is now attempting to re-introduce the snooper's charter. The only change seems to be that the police are not going to be allowed to obtain browsing history of computers in order to prevent them smashing the paedophile rings at MI6 and GCHQ, and allowing the police to no longer deal with burglaries.

I think Jeremy Corbyn should seize the situation like a man. I half-suspect that Ed Miliband and Harriet Harman were being bugged, but they seem to think they were being protected by the Wilson doctrine of no telephone tapping for politicians. A Govenment lawyer has recently said that this is not so, as Edward Snowden has said, bulk intervention is used on politicians and journalists and celebritiies. I don't think it is within the law, or should be within the law, as GCHQ insists.

What annoys me is that plonker Malcolm Rifind and Lord Carlile are all for bulk intervention with no legal safeguards, or judge's warrants. They look like a pair of stupid Jews to me. I suppose GCHQ consists of Irish with no principles. Some say "what does it matter" as you must assume your telephone is tapped, but I find it can disturb the mind, particularly if you are a teenager.

What I find a bit strange is that most women don't seem to mind as long as it is terrorists and whistleblowers and real professional criminals, and not bank fraud. It must be something to do with the female brain. I don't think our secret service have been particularly successful in regard to terrorist groups like Al-Shabab and Isis and Boko Harem, or even the IRA. They have never had to cope with austerity, like single mothers.

Without public criticism institutions, however excellent, become unhealthy and decay. It's like something from the Russian Secret Police.
 
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The Cameron government is now attempting to re-introduce the snooper's charter.....<snip>.....

Hardly surprising :(

Security and law enforcement agencies seem to have a craving for data even if they don't know how they are going to use and secure it. I'm very uncomfortable with the "snooper's charter" because it's almost certain that the data will be misused either because it will be accidentally or deliberately leaked or it will be put to a use never envisaged at the outset.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34690943
 
The Cameron government is now attempting to re-introduce the snooper's charter. The only change seems to be that the police are not going to be allowed to obtain browsing history of computers in order to prevent them smashing the paedophile rings at MI6 and GCHQ, and allowing the police to no longer deal with burglaries.

I think Jeremy Corbyn should seize the situation like a man. I half-suspect that Ed Miliband and Harriet Harman were being bugged, but they seem to think they were being protected by the Wilson doctrine of no telephone tapping for politicians. A Govenment lawyer has recently said that this is not so,........

Don't make stuff up. The Home Secretary knows better than "some government lawyer". BBC
 
Security and law enforcement agencies seem to have a craving for data even if they don't know how they are going to use and secure it. I'm very uncomfortable with the "snooper's charter" because it's almost certain that the data will be misused either because it will be accidentally or deliberately leaked or it will be put to a use never envisaged at the outset.

Too late - it's a done deal.

This ain't new. I've been bashing my head against a wall of apathetic humanity for a decade and what have we seen so far in public action against the exponential increase in police and surveillance powers?

Occupy.

Goodbye.
 
The Cameron government is now attempting to re-introduce the snooper's charter. The only change seems to be that the police are not going to be allowed to obtain browsing history of computers in order to prevent them smashing the paedophile rings at MI6 and GCHQ, and allowing the police to no longer deal with burglaries.

I think Jeremy Corbyn should seize the situation like a man. I half-suspect that Ed Miliband and Harriet Harman were being bugged, but they seem to think they were being protected by the Wilson doctrine of no telephone tapping for politicians. A Govenment lawyer has recently said that this is not so, as Edward Snowden has said, bulk intervention is used on politicians and journalists and celebritiies. I don't think it is within the law, or should be within the law, as GCHQ insists.

What annoys me is that plonker Malcolm Rifind and Lord Carlile are all for bulk intervention with no legal safeguards, or judge's warrants. They look like a pair of stupid Jews to me. I suppose GCHQ consists of Irish with no principles. Some say "what does it matter" as you must assume your telephone is tapped, but I find it can disturb the mind, particularly if you are a teenager.

What I find a bit strange is that most women don't seem to mind as long as it is terrorists and whistleblowers and real professional criminals, and not bank fraud. It must be something to do with the female brain. I don't think our secret service have been particularly successful in regard to terrorist groups like Al-Shabab and Isis and Boko Harem, or even the IRA. They have never had to cope with austerity, like single mothers.

Without public criticism institutions, however excellent, become unhealthy and decay. It's like something from the Russian Secret Police.

Interesting.
 
I worked at GCHQ for 12 years and never met a single Irish person with no principles. Maybe my female brain prevented me from noticing them.
 
I worked at GCHQ for 12 years and never met a single Irish person with no principles. Maybe my female brain prevented me from noticing them.

I didn't mean to imply that all the staff at GCHQ are Irish with no principles, who fight to the death to defend them. It's just I went to a Catholic school which was full of Paddies. Many of them went on to be Civil Service officials.

It does make me cross that GCHQ is insulated from any austerity cuts, and any legal safeguards to provide privacy, while the police no longer can afford, or are willing, to provide bobbies on the beat, or investigate paedophile rings in high places, or dog barking nuisances. That can be unfair.

In your experience would you say as many female brains do say that" bugging doesn't happen" or "what does it matter" or "they only bug terrorists" or would you disagree with Edward Snowden when he says that bulk intervention happens by GCHQ and NSA, and they think they are within the law, because it is never reported in the media, or in Parliament?

I think it's power without responsibility. It can only happen because it is done in secret, rather like CEO remuneration committes.
 
I didn't mean to imply that all the staff at GCHQ are Irish with no principles, who fight to the death to defend them. It's just I went to a Catholic school which was full of Paddies. Many of them went on to be Civil Service officials.

I can't wait to hear your explanation for the "stupid Jews" comment. Judging from this one, it should be a real winner.
 
The point is why should our civil liberties be in charge of some Jewish Lordship like Lord Carlile when human rights abuses and complete disregard for international law is patently obvious in Israel?

The National Council for Civil Liberties, or Liberty as I think it is now known, is not much help as they immediately change the subject whenever it is mentioned to them. They seem to be mostly female brains, and are probably in MI5 themselves. The matter is never reported in the mainstream media, probably because Murdoch is making lots of money by bugging celebrities, and others, himself. I think Jeremy Corbyn should act drastically with regard to the matter.

There was an article in the Daily Mail a few months ago about the death of the TV presenter Jill Dando. It appears that she had presented accusations of a paedophile ring at the BBC to the BBC establishment journalists, and BBC officials, and this had been promptly returned to her. This was long before the Jimmy Savile scandal. Then she suddenly dies after being shot dead, rather like Dr. Kelly and Robin Cook, in the Iraq war business. All the police ever did was to round up the usual suspects to make the public think the case was solved.
 
I can't wait to hear your explanation for the "stupid Jews" comment. Judging from this one, it should be a real winner.
It is a total hum dinger!

The point is why should our civil liberties be in charge of some Jewish Lordship like Lord Carlile when human rights abuses and complete disregard for international law is patently obvious in Israel?

The National Council for Civil Liberties, or Liberty as I think it is now known, is not much help as they immediately change the subject whenever it is mentioned to them. They seem to be mostly female brains ...​
 
The point is why should our civil liberties be in charge of some Jewish Lordship like Lord Carlile when human rights abuses and complete disregard for international law is patently obvious in Israel?

Thank you for expressing your views so clearly. Now I know exactly what to think of you.
 
Corbyn has been doing better in PMQs this last couple of weeks. Good to see him putting our government under some pressure at last.
 
Corbyn has been doing better in PMQs this last couple of weeks. Good to see him putting our government under some pressure at last.

Obviously the press has noted the appalling tactics the Tories are using at PMQs, but have the people? If they have, do they care?

From the outside looking in, Cameron & the Tories look exactly like the parody of Conservatives used so many times by UK TV comedies. A repulsive group of self-important, over-entitled, upper-class twats.
 

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