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Corbyn did win, what's next?

uk_dave said:
You need an electable centrist party to exist in the first place.
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Given that Corbyn got over 50% of the votes, with the second best way less than half that, and given that Labour gets new members in droves since he was elected... That should actually tell you what people want, and what they think is electable, and what they consider "centrist" or how far from that imaginary center.

Greetings,

Chris
 
uk_dave said:
You need an electable centrist party to exist in the first place.
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The Anglosphere-wide by-design highly conservative and somewhat antidemocratic electoral system by constituencies (or electorates, or ridings, or whatever you call them) prevents any "centrism" to survive much time. Not surprisingly, in a movement countermarching history, the authoritarian Hugo Chavez selected that exact electoral system to perpetuate his regime once they had seized power (not because a suggestion of Corbyn, but I don't think he'd be much unhappy)
 
aleCcowaN said:
The Anglosphere-wide by-design highly conservative and somewhat antidemocratic electoral system by constituencies (or electorates, or ridings, or whatever you call them) prevents any "centrism" to survive much time. Not surprisingly, in a movement countermarching history, the authoritarian Hugo Chavez selected that exact electoral system to perpetuate his regime once they had seized power (not because a suggestion of Corbyn, but I don't think he'd be much unhappy)
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You should be a politician.
And you have no Scrabble tiles remaining.
 
Christian Klippel said:
Given that Corbyn got over 50% of the votes, with the second best way less than half that, and given that Labour gets new members in droves since he was elected... That should actually tell you what people want, and what they think is electable, and what they consider "centrist" or how far from that imaginary center.

Greetings,

Chris
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In what way do you think the electorate in the Labour leadership contest represents the UK general public?
 
I'm old school Labour, more or less. At any rate I believe in redistribution of wealth, fairness, looking after the vulnerable properly and so on. I went to see Milliband talk in my local town about a year before the last election. As a member of the Labour party (who he was visiting) I was part of a smallish audience of a little over 100 people, so it was up close.

My heart sank. Not only because he had no charisma (perhaps not an essential for a politician I grant you) but because he had no real political ideas it seemed to me except how to game the system to get slightly better deal for the worst off in society. I let my party membership lapse after that.

Corbin really stands for something. A progressive, liberal (small 'L') near radical approach to inequality and I like what he has done so far to try to broaden his appeal. I don't for a minute think he can or will be elected PM, but at last we have a credible alternative and opposition that will mean there is a real choice. There will be a vacuum in the centre left which no doubt will be filled, maybe with the LIB Dems, but at least there is life in the political dynamic again in this country...hopefully.
 
Rum said:
.......My heart sank. Not only because he had no charisma (perhaps not an essential for a politician I grant you) but......
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I'd settle for gravitas. However, that's in even shorter supply amongst modern politicians than charisma.

BTW I was very impressed with his brother today in a R4 interview. What a waste.......
 
MikeG said:
I'd settle for gravitas. However, that's in even shorter supply amongst modern politicians than charisma.

BTW I was very impressed with his brother today in a R4 interview. What a waste.......
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I agree. 'Gravitas' is better. And I also agree about his brother, though I didn't see the interview. A talent this country could have benefited from.
 
MikeG said:
I'd settle for gravitas. However, that's in even shorter supply amongst modern politicians than charisma.



BTW I was very impressed with his brother today in a R4 interview. What a waste.......
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Agreed.

If my one and only realistically achievable goal in my manifesto were to be "UK Politics sub forum for UK people on ISF" would you vote for me? ;)

Call me old fashioned but I'm enjoying the discussions atm.
 
Rum said:
I agree. 'Gravitas' is better. And I also agree about his brother, though I didn't see the interview. A talent this country could have benefited from.
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Don't go agreeing with me Rum. That'll get you in hot water in the politics forum, and spoil my reputation at the same time. :) :D
 
I am watching the news, lots of discussions coming up because of corbyn,
We in the UK are seeing these discussions and that is a good thing.

sick of labour just being slightly different from the conservative party, they should be an alternative not just more of the same thing.
/fingerscrossed we might get some of the scot vote back.
 
p0lka said:
.......sick of labour just being slightly different from the conservative party.........
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One day you'll be sick of them being perpetually in opposition, and changing their leader after every election.
 
MikeG said:
One day you'll be sick of them being perpetually in opposition, and changing their leader after every election.
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This is a valid point.

Out of boredom I ventured into the USA Politics sub forum.
Oh dear.

Hands up, Brits, who wants a discussion about politics to turn into a discussion about the most effective gun and ammo needed in order to kill someone with one shot?

The Scot Referendum thread was... almost like the USA politics thread.
Maybe one day this particular topic will be recognised as being worthy of a dedicated sub forum.

I will be handing out roses and posing for photo opportunities shortly.

This, not by design and purely by accident, is how adults debate and discuss.

I think that Corbyn will revive that important part of the concept of The House.

Now, let us all be upstanding whilst you sing my National Anthem.

"Random Deity save our gracious Slippers,
Long live our Noble Slippers,
Random Deity save Our Slippers"
 
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Rum said:
I agree. 'Gravitas' is better. And I also agree about his brother, though I didn't see the interview. A talent this country could have benefited from.
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I too agree about DM. I am surprised that supporters of JC* are also fans of DM...


* the Messiah who will bring us the new Jerusalem, not Jesus christ.
 
MikeG said:
One day you'll be sick of them being perpetually in opposition, and changing their leader after every election.
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depends on what you want,
they stand for me, but don't get in,
they get in, but don't stand for me,

they do the career-politician thing and get in regardless of who stands where...
sick of it.
 
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Giz said:
The tories can now move a bit to the right and still be closer to the center than Corbyn.
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Not really aimed at you, but could some one show me where the centre is defined. I've seen a few conversations about this where it's assumed that the political centre is a fixed point that we will inevitably move towards. I would argue that it moves over time and it's certainly in different places in different countries.

Another point I keep wanting to make is that I think people view the political centre too narrowly, if we take as the extremes communism and libertarianism (I'm aware there are other options) then both Dave and Jezza are in the centre, both believe in democracy, some measure of capitalism and some measure of social provision, it's just an argument over the mix. In the grand scale of things it's not that big a difference, if it were possible to actually define where the exact centre of politics lies either could be dead on it, or neither.
 
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