Cops kill Costco pizza lady....

Simon666 said:
By the way, it's the first thing I hear of using scissors to cut pizzas to samples. Can anyone show me what pizza scissors would look like?
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http://www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-professional-all-purpose-kitchen-shears/p231167193?kpid=231167193&s_kenid=1eac08ab-062f-2dc9-a247-000049a006a0&s_kwcid=ppc_pla&tmad=c&tmcampid=73

Kitchen Shears

If you want little tasters rather than slices this may be an easier way to do it than a knife or pizza cutter/wheel once the pizza's cooled. Alternately they may have been office scissors picked up in the break room and not related to the pizza at all.
 
Simon666 said:
By the way, it's the first thing I hear of using scissors to cut pizzas to samples. Can anyone show me what pizza scissors would look like?
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Just stick 'pizza scissors' into google.

I didn't realise they exist.

To be fair, they look quite viscious.
 
It was just some sarcastic remark. Someone who has no problem shooting someone to death (instead of in the arm or something) might have no problem clubbing someone to death (instead of using C&R techniques).
 
I seriously doubt they were anything other than regular kitchen shears. I get out to Costco on a fairly regular basis. They serve samples of the foods they sell in bulk because no one wants to risk buying the jumbo pack of something that tastes like crap. The samples are bite sized. She wasn't serving pizza by the slice, it was in little squares, so kitchen shears work fine.

Also, shooting a person in the arm or leg to incapacitate them is not something that anyone can safely do. Having said that, I think the officers' response was absolutely irresponsible. Don't give me the the crap about "She was charging at him with a knife!" Whenever cops overreact and shoot someone for the crime of being mentally ill in public they always start mewling about how dangerous their job is.

No **** Sherlock. Being a cop is a dangerous job. That's what you get paid for. If you can't tolerate the threat level then you should find a different job. Feeling scared isn't justification for homicide.
 
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Since when has killing people, or threatening to kill people, in Costco been a crime? Or even newsworthy. Its like being surprised when a drunken brawl erupts at Chuck E Cheese. Duh. Crazy lady at Costco? Next up: wet people at beach.
 
joesixpack said:
Also, shooting a person in the arm or leg to incapacitate them is not something that anyone can safely do.
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Neither appears to be shooting five times to kill, an officer was wounded in the process. The lady didn't kill anyone of the public, those cops just might have.
 
Simon666 said:
It was just some sarcastic remark. Someone who has no problem shooting someone to death (instead of in the arm or something) might have no problem clubbing someone to death (instead of using C&R techniques).
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Sorry. Thanks.


But the question is serious. Do these officers learn C&R? Or do they view it unnecessary because they carry a gun?
 
Simon666 said:
It was just some sarcastic remark. Someone who has no problem shooting someone to death (instead of in the arm or something) might have no problem clubbing someone to death (instead of using C&R techniques).
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All training to shoot is to shoot to kill*. That would be training for police officers, training for military personnell, training for security persons and training for civilians. Shooting to wound is not a goal in any actual weapons course and is actively discouraged.

If you watch cowboy shows of a particular time period (mid-late 50s) the heroes (some, anyway) did that - Wyatt Earp presented as the founder of that feast - completely counter to the real WE.

*Technically it is "shoot to center of mass" which is functionally mid/upper torso. Odds of a normal, practiced shooter hitting a moving person in a seperately moving arm or leg is too low for safety of the shooter. This does not apply to shotgun loaded with buckshot.
 
Simon666 said:
It was just some sarcastic remark. Someone who has no problem shooting someone to death (instead of in the arm or something) might have no problem clubbing someone to death (instead of using C&R techniques).
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I didn't know there were still people out there who believed in the viability of "shooting to wound." You've been watching too many movies.
 
fuelair said:
All training to shoot is to shoot to kill*. That would be training for police officers, training for military personnell, training for security persons and training for civilians. Shooting to wound is not a goal in any actual weapons course and is actively discouraged.

If you watch cowboy shows of a particular time period (mid-late 50s) the heroes (some, anyway) did that - Wyatt Earp presented as the founder of that feast - completely counter to the real WE.

*Technically it is "shoot to center of mass" which is functionally mid/upper torso. Odds of a normal, practiced shooter hitting a moving person in a seperately moving arm or leg is too low for safety of the shooter. This does not apply to shotgun loaded with buckshot.
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And this exact point has been made in every police shooting thread. Only the extremely obtuse would fail to get it.
 
lionking said:
And this exact point has been made in every police shooting thread. Only the extremely obtuse would fail to get it.
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Apparently Americans and Australians are so much smarter than everyone else around the world.
 
fuelair said:
All training to shoot is to shoot to kill*. That would be training for police officers, training for military personnell, training for security persons and training for civilians. Shooting to wound is not a goal in any actual weapons course and is actively discouraged.
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Except this guy*



(*I know it wasn't shooting to wound, and it's a very specific circumstance so doesn't really count.)
 
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