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Cops kill Costco pizza lady....

Must have been one scary lady and one seriously large pizza knife.
Some say it was a bread knife. All the same, it was wrong to assume automatically she used a deadly weapon, just as it is wrong to assume there never really was any danger (I just wanted to poke some fun). It certainly does warrant further investigation as there seems to be a very real possibility that deadly force was a bit exaggerated.
 
I missed that, thanks.

But it only mentions one cop trying to use one. What about the other cop?
Isn't there also some confusion how many cops went in? It does seem like two confronted her (or at least one did and the other drew a gun) but there are reports of 8 officers going in.
 
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I made the mistake of opening this link. Are you going to treat this thread seriously and post on topic?
Don't get all offended. You know there is a point. There might very well have been no need for such drastic action. There are reports of 8 officers going in. Did all 8 have no functioning taser or pepper spray?
 
Nothing misleading. Cops did in fact shoot and kill a Costco sub-contractor who was distributing pizza samples. What is in dispute and the subject of investigation is why the woman behaved as she did and whether the cops needed to kill her. According to press reports, this Filipino-American woman was nearing the end of a normal work shift and suddenly began speaking and behaving strangely, including waving a knife around. Her supervisor called the cops and she went to an employee lounge. Within seconds after they arrived, one cop shot her five times after another tried to use a taser and it either malfunctioned or he deployed it incorrectly. She was the mother of two little girls and the ex-wife of a U.S. serviceman. Her sister had spoken to her by phone an hour before her death and detected no problems. If she had a stroke, a diabetic episode or some other medical emergency, she would not have been thinking rationally or capable of responding to police commands. She apparently never actually attempted to hurt anyone, even before the cops got there. The police themselves say she "moved toward" them holding a knife (she had been cutting pizza, remember), not rushed, not attacked. The key question is whether two trained police officers equipped with pepper spray and metal batons should have been able to disarm one sick woman who probably weighed about 90 pounds, or whether they should have backed off, cleared the area and let her rant until backup arrived. There have been too many reports of cops resorting to deadly force when they maybe didn't have to.

Regarding the bolded, to be fair, you are not supposed to use words like 'rushed' or 'attacked' in report writing, according to the class I took, anyway. It's supposed to be very, very simple and state bare facts impassively. As such, a person might "extend a closed fist" in the report, but be "punching" in reality.
 
Misleading because it pretends the notable thing was "Costco pizza lady". Admit it: you would have entered this thread with a different and much more appropriate set of preconceptions, if the title had been, "Cops kill lady after she threatens people with a knife".

The actual title is blatant trolling. Why are you defending it?

The title could also have been "Cop Shot in Costco".
 
Nothing misleading. Cops did in fact shoot and kill a Costco sub-contractor who was distributing pizza samples. What is in dispute and the subject of investigation is why the woman behaved as she did and whether the cops needed to kill her. According to press reports, this Filipino-American woman was nearing the end of a normal work shift and suddenly began speaking and behaving strangely, including waving a knife around. Her supervisor called the cops and she went to an employee lounge. Within seconds after they arrived, one cop shot her five times after another tried to use a taser and it either malfunctioned or he deployed it incorrectly. She was the mother of two little girls and the ex-wife of a U.S. serviceman. Her sister had spoken to her by phone an hour before her death and detected no problems. If she had a stroke, a diabetic episode or some other medical emergency, she would not have been thinking rationally or capable of responding to police commands. She apparently never actually attempted to hurt anyone, even before the cops got there. The police themselves say she "moved toward" them holding a knife (she had been cutting pizza, remember), not rushed, not attacked. The key question is whether two trained police officers equipped with pepper spray and metal batons should have been able to disarm one sick woman who probably weighed about 90 pounds, or whether they should have backed off, cleared the area and let her rant until backup arrived. There have been too many reports of cops resorting to deadly force when they maybe didn't have to.

Our cops apparently need better training before they are allowed to wield deadly weapons. Maybe they should be unarmed by default like British cops, then be issues firearms on a case by case basis once they have demonstrated that they can handle them responsibly without shooting any person who looks at them cross eyed.
 
One commenter in that article says:
My wife, baby and I were in the yard section 2 aisles over from the food section where it happened. We saw about 8 cops run by, and then a manager walk right by us and not say a word! Next thing I heard was "Drop the Knife" and then 1 shot followed very quickly by about 3 or 4 more.

Between two and eight well-trained cops vs tiny Filipino woman. Were the cops really at such a serious disadvantage against a tiny Filipino woman that they couldn't subdue her by hand, or talk to this woman for an hour until she calms down?
 
Clearly a case of excessive force. Next is to wait and see how its made justifiable by simply stating the police were "going by the book".
 
Clearly a case of excessive force. Next is to wait and see how its made justifiable by simply stating the police were "going by the book".

Yeah? So this woman didn't have a knife? You know this? You know any cops?

Some fantastic armchair quarterbacking in this thread.
 
Our cops apparently need better training before they are allowed to wield deadly weapons. Maybe they should be unarmed by default like British cops, then be issues firearms on a case by case basis once they have demonstrated that they can handle them responsibly without shooting any person who looks at them cross eyed.

I think it is vanishingly unlikely that this incident could have ended this way in the UK, but the risk faced by our Police is normally very different. Unarmed Police in America would be sitting ducks.

On the surface this seems to be a case of over zealous law enforcement going wrong, but I would still hesitate to condemn the officers involved before more information has been released, any Police Officer faced with an armed suspect has to take the threat seriously and while it may seem obvious to us internet quarterbacks that it would have been better handled differently we're not the ones who could have been stabbed if we'd got it wrong. A thorough and transparent investigation is definitely called for to establish exactly what did happen and the reasonableness of the officers actions.
 
I think it is vanishingly unlikely that this incident could have ended this way in the UK, but the risk faced by our Police is normally very different. Unarmed Police in America would be sitting ducks.

On the surface this seems to be a case of over zealous law enforcement going wrong, but I would still hesitate to condemn the officers involved before more information has been released, any Police Officer faced with an armed suspect has to take the threat seriously and while it may seem obvious to us internet quarterbacks that it would have been better handled differently we're not the ones who could have been stabbed if we'd got it wrong. A thorough and transparent investigation is definitely called for to establish exactly what did happen and the reasonableness of the officers actions.

This.

While I suspect there's some over-reaction here, I can easily imagine several scenarios where the actions taken were the prudent and reasonable option. It all depends on information that hasn't been released yet. Personally, I'm willing to wait until that information is released (or there're indications that it's being hidden) before laying blame on anyone involved.
 
By the way, it's the first thing I hear of using scissors to cut pizzas to samples. Can anyone show me what pizza scissors would look like?
 
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