Continued: (Ed) Atheism Plus/Free Thought Blogs (FTB)

[Meed]

It's still a Godwin, though.

Godwin isn't a fallacy.

 

[pipelineaudio]

I'm watching #metalgate with some interest and humor. If anyone has any remote inklings that metal itself, from the absolute very beginning wasn't socially conscious, then they may as well take the S and J out of their moniker forever

I'm betting the SJWs are going to find metal a much harder nut to crack due to having a large population of progressives so advanced that they make our current crop of female supremacists look so last milenia. That and the few rednecks and swamp rockers left in metal won't care one iota if they're called "misogynists"

 

[wareyin]

I'm watching #metalgate with some interest and humor. If anyone has any remote inklings that metal itself, from the absolute very beginning wasn't socially conscious, then they may as well take the S and J out of their moniker forever

I'm betting the SJWs are going to find metal a much harder nut to crack due to having a large population of progressives so advanced that they make our current crop of female supremacists look so last milenia. That and the few rednecks and swamp rockers left in metal won't care one iota if they're called "misogynists"

Is this just a twitter thing, or is there some blog/article one can read about metalgate? This is the first I've heard of it, and desire some chuckles, please.

 

[Cleon]

I'm very skeptical that "metalgate" is actually a thing. (Note: naughty words at link.)

Hell, I know a fair number of "SJW" metalheads, and I'm a metalhead myself. (I was just at an Apocalyptica show last night.)

 

[wareyin]

I'm very skeptical that "metalgate" is actually a thing. (Note: naughty words at link.)

Hell, I know a fair number of "SJW" metalheads, and I'm a metalhead myself. (I was just at an Apocalyptica show last night.)

Well, I got no chuckles from your link. Seems like it's not a thing.

Also, Apocalyptica is metal? Don't get me wrong, I liked "I'm not Jesus", but I never thought of them as metal.

 

[Cleon]

Well, I got no chuckles from your link. Seems like it's not a thing.

Also, Apocalyptica is metal? Don't get me wrong, I liked "I'm not Jesus", but I never thought of them as metal.

That is probably one of their least metal tunes.

In any event, I refer to the Encyclopedia Metallum, which characterizes them as "symphonic heavy metal."

 

[pipelineaudio]

I don't care if Apocolyptica is metal or not, I love anyone who inspires kids to practice with a metronome and Apocolyptica certainly does that!

 

[TeapotCavalry]

I'm very skeptical that "metalgate" is actually a thing. (Note: naughty words at link.)

I'm also pretty sure #metalgate isn't a thing, but that article was so full of straw, and then this gem:

And the idea of #metalgate ignores one very important fact about metal: lyrics mostly don’t matter to metalheads, it’s all about the music itself. Which further proves that the people writing this #metalgate stuff have at most a basic familiarity with metal; they’re not in metal culture so much as observers looking for a cause to latch onto.​

lolwut. Someone tell Ozzy and Åkerfeldt.
I think he doesn't realize the genre 'metal' is quite a broad one and 'metalheads' is not some uniform niche group with identical tastes, despite media attempts to stereotype them as such.

ETA: Did you grab that from Ghazi board?

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm watching #metalgate with some interest and humor. If anyone has any remote inklings that metal itself, from the absolute very beginning wasn't socially conscious, then they may as well take the S and J out of their moniker forever

I'm betting the SJWs are going to find metal a much harder nut to crack due to having a large population of progressives so advanced that they make our current crop of female supremacists look so last milenia. That and the few rednecks and swamp rockers left in metal won't care one iota if they're called "misogynists"

Metalgate? Is there some entertaining bit of Warrior stupidity I've somehow missed?

 

[TeapotCavalry]

Metalgate? Is there some entertaining bit of Warrior stupidity I've somehow missed?

"The Problem With Heavy Metal Is Metalheads"

Sargon has a few links in his video's description

 

[Wildy]

Saw this on some youtube comments and I think it says it all

"First they came for the Atheists, and I did not speak out,
Because I was not a Atheist.
Then they came for the Gamers, and I did not speak out,
Because I was not a Gamer.
Then they came for the Metal Heads, and I did not speak out,
Because I was not a Metal Head.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me."

Personally I think that this does not reflect how things turned out. Sure with 'Elevatorgate' the more "social justice"-y atheists made an attempt to increase their influence but they did so by trying to make a new atheism that reflected their values. However we all know how Atheism+ turned out and I'd say that most of the SJW crowd ultimately lost influence in the group. Probably because it seems a bit dumb to be demanding a rather narrow ideological purity for a diverse group of people who are grouped together because they don't believe in gods.

Gamers have experienced moral panics in the past, like Jack Thompson's crusade about violence, the rubbish over D&D, the scapegoating when you get a mass shooting, and what we're seeing from SJWs in gaming is no different. What we have seen recently is a willingness for others to speak up and vocally disagree with the SJW clique that seemed to be making headway rather unopposed.

'Metalgate' was a non-starter. It's quite clear nothing happened and from what I understand from people who are more in the scene then I am the reason was simple. Metalheads in many parts of the world pretty much have to accept that wider society is going to look down on them and even vilify them for their taste in music so trying to tell them that they have to change their scene because the fee-fees of those outside it might be hurt comes across as pretty meaningless. The people outside don't care about them, so why should they care about those people?

In a way what would end up happening when the SJWs come for the commenter would be to look at what happened in those cases and incorporate what was learned there into defending themselves from these people.

 

[Meed]

I'm also pretty sure #metalgate isn't a thing, but that article was so full of straw, and then this gem:

And the idea of #metalgate ignores one very important fact about metal: lyrics mostly don’t matter to metalheads, it’s all about the music itself. Which further proves that the people writing this #metalgate stuff have at most a basic familiarity with metal; they’re not in metal culture so much as observers looking for a cause to latch onto.​

lolwut. Someone tell Ozzy and Åkerfeldt.

I actually thought the article was pretty good. Other than the bit you quoted, which I agree is a stupid over-generalization. The article he was commenting on took an even stupider stance, which was that if you have the wrong type of lyrics then you aren't welcome in metal and should play a different style of music.

 

[TeapotCavalry]

I actually thought the article was pretty good. Other than the bit you quoted, which I agree is a stupid over-generalization. The article he was commenting on took an even stupider stance, which was that if you have the wrong type of lyrics then you aren't welcome in metal and should play a different style of music.

He did not explain why metalgate isn't a thing, he just claimed it isn't. Also, most of that was a response to returnofkings article and disagreeing with stuff that had nothing to do with metalgate. Why didn't he respond to original article that returnofkings' article used as a source (among with Sargon's video)?

There's definite pattern of similar SJW outrage in articles mentioned (by Sargon, and in deathmetal.org), but these seem to be few and far between to be called a thing. The author in metalsucks did absolutely nothing to explain why #metalgate is or isn't a thing.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Why didn't he respond to original article that returnofkings' article used as a source (among with Sargon's video)?

Ugh. Ridiculous metalhead posturing about what "true metal" is, and how wannabe metalheads are trying to take over the scene with socially conscious lyrics and different musical stylings. According to him, funk metal, metalcore, nu-metal, and "rap/rock" aren't real metal.

Thanks for the heads up, dude. I'll watch out for the enemies of metal and keep my ears pure!

 

[pipelineaudio]

They keep mentioning Black Sabbath and keep missing just how much social and political stuff is in there, not just the washington post but the deathmetal.org writer.

I know its a bias, living now in Hawaii where the quality of journalism (the tiny bit that isn't completely yellow or paparazzi) is pathetic, but I want to replace the word cop in "Support higher education, send a cop to kindergarten" with "reporter"

 

[Meed]

He did not explain why metalgate isn't a thing, he just claimed it isn't. Also, most of that was a response to returnofkings article and disagreeing with stuff that had nothing to do with metalgate. Why didn't he respond to original article that returnofkings' article used as a source (among with Sargon's video)?

The original article would seem to suggest that "#metalgate" is exemplified by a quote from a "20 Best Metal Albums of 2014" article in which the author expresses that she/he does not like the influence of conservative values on metal and is glad that it's starting to become more socially liberal. The only other reference given is from 2006.

There's definite pattern of similar SJW outrage in articles mentioned (by Sargon, and in deathmetal.org), but these seem to be few and far between to be called a thing. The author in metalsucks did absolutely nothing to explain why #metalgate is or isn't a thing.

He did explain why it isn't a thing. See below:


"But my ultimate problem with #metalgate is that it’s entirely manufactured. No one, or no group, is banding together to try and change metal in any one specific way — the threat is entirely imagined. Certain social values enter the metalsphere simply because those values are spreading throughout society as a whole — this idea that “SJWs” failed with #gamergate so they’re now moving on to a different cause is total bologna. They’re entirely separate people!

There also certainly isn’t anyone coordinating a mass effort to inject metal with liberal values. Just because someone wrote an editorial encouraging metalheads to stop using the word “faggot” doesn’t mean the music that “the average white man in the West Virginian coal mines” likes will go away tomorrow; more than likely, both his music and the tunes favored by a vegan kid living in an artist loft in Bushwick paid for by his parents will continue to coexist in this world.

It’s also not really a new argument. People have been saying “get political correctness out of my metal!” for decades already, and, guess what, both non-PC and PC metal continue not only to exist, but to be robust. And the idea of #metalgate ignores one very important fact about metal: lyrics mostly don’t matter to metalheads, it’s all about the music itself. Which further proves that the people writing this #metalgate stuff have at most a basic familiarity with metal; they’re not in metal culture so much as observers looking for a cause to latch onto."

http://www.metalsucks.net/2014/12/15/what-the-fck-is-metalgate/

 

[Axiom_Blade]

So next we have to have a small, unknown feminist metal band appear, call out all the non-PC metalheads, receive death threats, and put up a Patreon and YouTube channel to raise funds. You heard it here first!

Hhmmmm....they have to have a good band name, though...

 

[d4m10n]

Sarkophagus?

ETA: Quinnspiracide?


ETA ETA: Rebeccapocalypse?

 

[TeapotCavalry]

Ugh. Ridiculous metalhead posturing about what "true metal" is, and how wannabe metalheads are trying to take over the scene with socially conscious lyrics and different musical stylings. According to him, funk metal, metalcore, nu-metal, and "rap/rock" aren't real metal.

Yeah, pretty much agreed. I'm not metal purist and consider nu-metal to be metal. But I don't care about his opinion what is or isn't metal. Nor do I agree with his postulation that metal is divided into two groups. That's not what the supposed #metalgate is about. Otherwise it wouldn't be a recent thing. It's supposedly about the social justice moral busybodies tweets, blogs and op-eds trying to 'cleanse' the metal community like they're trying to cleanse the gaming and comics community (see the actual quoted snippets). The first step is to cast the original sin on metalheads (racism, sexism, misogyny, harassment, conservatism etc), only then can forgiveness be granted

Thanks for the heads up, dude. I'll watch out for the enemies of metal and keep my ears pure!

You're welcome. Fly the metal flag high.

The original article would seem to suggest that "#metalgate" is exemplified by a quote from a "20 Best Metal Albums of 2014" article in which the author expresses that she/he does not like the influence of conservative values on metal and is glad that it's starting to become more socially liberal.

No. The actual quote is this:

Metal is still dogged by the issues that arise from its deep-seated conservative values, but thanks to an increase in conversations about racism, politics, and feminism, those on the right side of history have gained solid ground

Your reinterpretation is something different.

He did explain why it isn't a thing. See below:

I did read it. If you'd like, I'll respond to his claims one by one and try to explain why he failed to say anything informative about #metalgate.

"But my ultimate problem with #metalgate is that it’s entirely manufactured.

Ok, tell us why.

No one, or no group, is banding together to try and change metal in any one specific way — the threat is entirely imagined.

Umm, if you say so, I guess? I mean, just a little bit further down, you claim people have been doing this since forever. It's not the author's responsibility to prove a negative - ie that there isn't a group trying to do this, but in the very same article he asserts that complaints of PC intruding metal is not something new.

Certain social values enter the metalsphere simply because those values are spreading throughout society as a whole

Is he talking about feminism?

— this idea that “SJWs” failed with #gamergate so they’re now moving on to a different cause is total bologna.

Yes, it is, and I call straw man. I don't even know what "failed with #gamergate" is supposed to mean. The SJW clique is still very much alive in gaming community and gaming press.

They’re entirely separate people!

Who they?

There also certainly isn’t anyone coordinating a mass effort to inject metal with liberal values.

Of course there isn't. Another straw.

Just because someone wrote an editorial encouraging metalheads to stop using the word “faggot” doesn’t mean the music that “the average white man in the West Virginian coal mines” likes will go away tomorrow;

More straw.

more than likely, both his music and the tunes favored by a vegan kid living in an artist loft in Bushwick paid for by his parents will continue to coexist in this world.

I would think so.

It’s also not really a new argument. People have been saying “get political correctness out of my metal!” for decades already, and, guess what, both non-PC and PC metal continue not only to exist, but to be robust.

Yes, PC is nothing new to metal. SJWs are just another generational manifestation of it. The fact that it's not new or that it won't succeed doesn't address whether #metalgate is or isn't a thing.

And the idea of #metalgate ignores one very important fact about metal: lyrics mostly don’t matter to metalheads, it’s all about the music itself. Which further proves that the people writing this #metalgate stuff have at most a basic familiarity with metal; they’re not in metal culture so much as observers looking for a cause to latch onto."

Well that's complete bollocks as I mentioned before.

 

[TeapotCavalry]

ETA: Quinnspiracide?


ETA ETA: Rebeccapocalypse?