Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

[Matthew Cline]

Yawn...again

I'm completely missing whatever point you're trying to make.

<rhetorical> How do you increase the electrical conductivity of surface layer air?</rhetorical>

By increasing the percentage of ions within the gas. That doesn't turn it into plasma, since if it did the charge separation would discharge through it.

 

[abaddon]

Clouds, bunny rabbits, apocalypse. Was there a point to this?

Obviously not, but you forgot to add Dark Matter, Dark Energy, Black Holes, String Theory, Multiverses, Big Bang, Flavour changing Neutrinos, and Magnetic reconnection... and sublimating dirty snowballs, etc etc

Nope. I simply declined to make up wholesale baloney.

 

[jonesdave116]

... and sublimating dirty snowballs, etc etc

And for the squillionth time, what is the evidence lacking for sublimation of ices? SPECIFICALLY.

 

[jonesdave116]

The Rosetta team have now detected molecular oxygen (O2) at 67P. Not something they were confident of finding, but there is quite a lot of it, relatively speaking.
http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2015/10/28/first-detection-of-molecular-oxygen-at-a-comet/

 

[tusenfem]

so a lightningbolt from tne gods releases O- from the surface, then creates OH with a solar wind proton, collides with a just released O-, and turns into O2 and an H-, solving the oxygen problem, creating a water problem, but i am sure sol has the answer for us

 

[Reality Check]

Lets have a crack at the Orion Nebula

Lets have a crack at your usual ignorance of astronomy and Wikipedia, Sol88 !

• The word plasma does not appear in Orion Nebula. The Orion Nebula is not a counter example to molecular clouds not being plasma.
• The Orion Nebula is an ionized part of the Orion Molecular Cloud Complex. It is electrically neutral unless you have the delusion that the electrons that left the atoms magically vanished.
• The detection of a forbidden transition was from ions, not plasma.
  One condition allowing ionized gases to emit forbidden transitions is that they are so thin that the transition can happen before atoms are de-excited by collisions. That is low density of ions - suggesting that a plasma does not exist.

 

[Reality Check]

Yawn...again

Matthew Cline asks about your delusion about the composition of the universe Therefore 99.999% of everything on Earth below the ionosphere is also plasma?

You reply with ignorance about plasma ! Atmospheric electricity coupling between earthquake regions and the ionosphere is not about plasma.

Definitely Yawn...again an ignorant, irrelevant post.

ETA: A list of 14 items of ignorance. lies and delusions from Sol88 over the last 6 years.

1. A couple of lies about the [URL="http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Rosetta/Rosetta_the_ambition_to_turn_science_fiction_into_science_fact"]Rosetta: the ambition to turn science fiction into science fact article.[/URL]
2. 21 October 2015 Sol88: Ignorant that the Solar System formed from a cloud of Hydrocarbons, Argon, Nitrogen....
3. B]21 October 2015 Sol88[/B]: Ignorant about what tholins are.
4. 21 October 2015 Sol88: A lie about "a host of confirmation and surprises" for the EC delusion at 67P.
5. 21 October 2015 Sol88: The repeated delusion that "surprises" support the EC delusion (logical fallacy of false dichotomy).
6. 27 October 2015 Sol88: States a delusion about "Sugar ice sublimate to colaldehyde gas"
7. 27 October 2015 Sol88: A delusion about "Formation of jets in Comet 19P/Borrelly by subsurface geysers" being proven wrong.
8. 27 October 2015 Sol88: A delusion about "Geologic control of jet formation on Comet 103P/Hartley 2" being proven wrong.
9. 27 October 2015 Sol88: A lazy lie about a "pit like structure" and the jet that was observed from it.
10. 27 October 2015 Sol88: Blindly parroting Wal Thornhill's ignorance of Newton's Laws (jets push on comets)
11. 27 October 2105 Sol88: Ignorance of 2 mainstream papers leads to thinking that they are about the electric comet delusion!
12. 27 October 2015 Sol88: States a ELECTRIC UNIVERSE is chemistry delusion!
13. 12th June 2015 Sol88: Comets are not lengths of wire attached to a spacecraft. pops up again (first on 23 December 2014)!
14. 29 October 2015 Sol88: When are you going to get back to the ELECTRIC COMET DELUSION and its jets?

119 days and counting of fear of physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

 

[Reality Check]

Still nothing fatal for the ELECTRIC COMET

Still deluded about the many fatal facts that make the ELECTRIC COMET into a delusion, Sol88: Electric comets still do not exist!

 

[Reality Check]

Sol88: When are you going to get back to the ELECTRIC COMET DELUSION and its jets

..sniped Thunderbolts cult lies...
but we wander off topic again...back to the ELECTRIC COMET and it's "Jets" !

So far this looks like a lie, Sol88 because you have presented nothing about the EC delusion or its jet fantasies. So
29 October 2015 Sol88: When are you going to get back to the ELECTRIC COMET DELUSION and its jets?

 

[Mader Levap]

So why build the probe, Philae, to land on the EXPECTED icy surface!!

Which word from "There are things that we do not knew/know about comets (otherwise, why send probes in first place?)." you do not understand?

It crashed, bounced and did a very small amount of science due to where it randomly ended up!

Do you treat it as evidence that EU is correct? That would be quite moronic grasping at straws, because, as I said earlier, Rosetta would died in dozen horrible ways long before releasing Philae, if EU is right*.

Satellite build according to current mainstream science would not work in EU universe at all. Not some accidents or miscalculations or whatever. AT. ALL.

Rest of post is non-sequitur that I will ignore.

 

[Sol88]

“Regardless of how it was made, the O2 was also somehow protected during the accretion stage of the comet: this must have happened gently to avoid the O2 being destroyed by further chemical reactions,” adds Kathrin.

“This is an intriguing result for studies both within and beyond the comet community, with possible implications for our models of Solar System evolution,” says Matt Taylor, ESA’s Rosetta project scientist.

Ouch!!

Matt's onto it!

 

[Matthew Cline]

Ouch!!

Yes, there are mysteries in the field of astronomy. So?

 

[jonesdave116]

Yes, there are mysteries in the field of astronomy. So?

Because every mystery = electric woo!

 

[Reality Check]

Sol88: What is the EC explanation about this observation of molecular oxygen at 67P

Ouch!! ...

Argument by the delusion that the electric comet delusion held by a bunch of Thunderbolts cultists explains this observation of molecular oxygen, Sol88?
2 November 2015 Sol88: What is the electric comet explanation about this observation of molecular oxygen at 67P?
Actual predictions using actual numbers not dumb fantasies about comets being rocks and electrical discharges doing magical stuff.

First detection of molecular oxygen at a comet

ESA’s Rosetta spacecraft has made the first in situ detection of oxygen molecules outgassing from a comet, a surprising observation that suggests they were incorporated into the comet during its formation.
...
The team analysed more than 3000 samples collected around the comet between September 2014 and March 2015 to identify the O2. They determined an abundance of 1–10% relative to H2O, with an average value of 3.80 ± 0.85%, an order of magnitude higher than predicted by models describing the chemistry in molecular clouds.

Later in the article are a couple of scenarios explaining this high O2/H20 ratio using science.

 

[jonesdave116]

What is the electric comet explanation about this observation of molecular oxygen at 67P?
Actual predictions using actual numbers not dumb fantasies about comets being rocks and electrical discharges doing magical stuff.

No doubt something about silica and the solar wind, or electric woo. As per this deluded post on Thunderdolts :

Not a big surprise is it if the comet has a high silica content? Breaking the covalent bond is apparently made easier by the presence of the intense electric field of a microwave. I'm really out of my depth here though...

Well, he got the last sentence right! Of course, you'd think the fact that we have detected Si from sputtering, and it is totally anti-correlated with H2O, might have given him pause for thought. Still, it is Thunderdolts.......

 

[tusenfem]

for those intereste, the astronomy & astrophysics special issue on rosetta is now online
http://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/abs/2015/11/contents/contents.html
though dificult to reach rifght now (from my hotel room)

 

[Sol88]

fantastic!!

now lets get stuck into it

 

[Reality Check]

now lets get stuck into it

No, Sol88, we will not be catering for any delusions that these papers are about the electric comet.
The articles are science written by rational people, not fantasies written by the ignorant and deluded Thunderbolts cult. None of them are about the electric comet delusion of comets being rocks or electrical discharges.

We may read and understand the papers. But you have little hope of this given a mindless belief in 10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc.
And 124 days and counting of fear of physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

 

[Sol88]

Well after 7 years arguing the toss and a year after arriving at 67P, we have found the source of the "jets"!!

We found that the jets most likely tend to emerge from the central part of Hapi.!!

4. Summary

The jet features detected in August and September 2014 originated mostly from the Hapi region of 67P.

The ever-changing morphology of the jet features can be seen by the consecutive observations over a timescale from one rotation period to several days. These variations in the jet appearance might be controlled by a certain on-and-off mechanism (i.e., the gas source has become extinguished) as the surface or subsurface temperature distribution evolved; alternatively, the reason might be the changing viewing geometry from Rosetta.

The excess total brightness of the collimated jet is 3~10% brighter than the background dust coma. The values of the jet brightness slopes are higher than the background coma. This means that the dust grains emitted from the neck region might be subject to fast sublimation, fragmentation, or acceleration.

So we can all just relax now and wait for the 5 sec sound byte and the 6 o'clock news!!

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I'm confused. In the Aurora Borealis thread it seems we here on earth were recently in the flow path of a CME. As I understand the electroMcWhateverISM "theory" this should have created earthquakes and major electrical activity in any orbiting object affected.


So why is the thread still arguing the definition of plasma? Shouldn't this CME have given the EUists proof positive information to work with? Please explain, sol88. Also, if you could get the haig username out to comment on the lack of earthquake activity following this, as well as the lack of solar civil in association with recent earthquakes, the EUists might get some traction around here.

{edit to add}
I'll feed the crickets.