Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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Sol88 said:
It's there!!! Holger SIERKS ..snipped insane demands....
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Yet more delusions from Sol88 :p!
  1. Holger SIERKS is not in control of the release of images.
  2. There are no 3D images :eek:
  3. You are not capable of analyzing astronomical images as you have shown in this thread.
  4. The ignorant and deluded Thunderbolts crowd are certainly not capable of analyzing astronomical images.
  5. Images are released all of the time.

This irrelevant rant from Sol88 demonstrates that he is incapable of understanding what is written here.
It doesn't fit in an evidence-free thread. No evidence has yet been offered, none will ever be offered, none can ever be offered because none exists.
That is about the EC delusion which is the subject of this thread (not science that actually works and has evidence!).
 
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Sol88 said:
Anyone can see the "jets" are on the bright rim of the "Sinkhole"!
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Back to making up delusions from a stance of ignorance, Sol88?
Because Comets Aren’t Cool Enough: They Also Have Sinkholes
A 200 meter wide sinkhole on a comet (and it's so cool just to type that). The walls are steep, and you can see jets of vapor moving across it. The overexposed parts are the comet's surface.
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Rational people look at that image and see the bright jets being obscured by the overexposed comet surface. We know that the surface is covered in dust. Thus the jets come from below the surface, e.g. from the exposed ices on the pit walls.

As I said: I know that you are too obsessed with your delusion that comets are rocks to ever accept any explanation for anything from anyone and here you are not accepting an explanation!

Ranting about HOLGER SIERKS controlling the release of images or that there are no images from OSIRIS does not help.
 
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Sol88 said:
Gota fly thru it and when they did it entered safe mode and was moved out to a safer orbit.
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How about you not fantasize about an imaginary double layer putting Rosetta into safe mode, Sol88, leading to an inane question?
Rosetta status report: close flyby navigation issues(Posted on 01/04/2015 by Emily)
During its most recent close flyby last Saturday, where Rosetta flew within 14 km of the surface of the comet, the spacecraft experienced significant difficulties in navigation. This resulted in its high gain antenna starting to drift away from pointing at the Earth, impacting communications, and was subsequently followed by a ‘safe mode’ event. The spacecraft has now been successfully recovered, but it will take a little longer to resume normal scientific operations. Here is the full report from the mission team:
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That was caused by the star trackers getting confused by dust in the coma.


More fantasy: Rosetta continued on its orbit and was not moved to a "safer" orbit.
 
Well then I 'spose we ALL just have to wait some more until the OSIRIS team release their hi-def images of the jets.

Access to Rosetta data

This period, typically 6-12 months, gives exclusive access to the data to the scientists who built the instruments or to scientists who made a winning proposal to make certain observations. In ESA's case, the length of the period is decided by our Member States when a mission is selected, although in some cases, the period is made shorter when a mission has been in operation for some time.

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As mentioned in a previous blog post, the reason we're not doing so is to avoid undermining the priority of the OSIRIS team, as there is some scientific overlap between the two camera systems. Some NAVCAM data are however being put out in coordination with the regular OSIRIS releases.
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Waiting.....waiting....waiting some more....
 
Sol88 said:
Well then I 'spose we ALL just have to wait some more until the OSIRIS team release their hi-def images of the jets.
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There is nothing to wait for - the existing images already make the already deluded EC idea more delusional, Sol88.
ETA: Unless you are waiting to support the EC delusion as it gets more delusional with every result from Rosetta (not only images, not only from OSIRIS ) :eek:!

Access to Rosetta data points out the common practice of giving people who work decades on a project dibs on the data from that project.
With Rosetta, all data from its 21 instruments (11 on the orbiter, 10 on the Philae lander) are subject to a 6 month proprietary period. Thus any release of images and scientific results that we are making now, as we approach rendezvous with 67P/C-G on 6 August, is being done with direct involvement of the instrument science teams, who are agreeing to waive the proprietary period for those items.
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The closest approach was on 14 February 2015 - so the high resolution images that then are only a month or so away.

The Thunderbolts team have been deluded for 10 years now and have remained deluded during the Rosetta mission. I expect that in a couple of months they will be just as deluded. Is there hope for you, Sol88 (somehow I doubt it :p)?
 
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Sol88 said:
@Tusenfem

How's the detection of the 67P's double layer going?

Gota fly thru it and when they did it entered safe mode and was moved out to a safer orbit.

any chance of hearing the comets "song" and how's it's changed 1 year on??
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what double layer?
safe mode was because the star trackers could not identify the stars anymore because of too much reflections from dust and has nothing to do with any double layer or other EC phantasys.
the singing comet paper has (finally) been accepted will appear soon in annales geophysicae
the song has petered off now, as the local plasma conditions have of course strongly changed since arrival at 67P/CG and the requirements for the instability creating the song are gone.
there will be interesting talks/posters at the fall AGU, for example "The magnetic response to sudden mass-loading of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko's induced magnetosphere"
 
Sol88 said:
Well then I 'spose we ALL just have to wait some more until the OSIRIS team release their hi-def images of the jets.

Access to Rosetta data

Waiting.....waiting....waiting some more....
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which is only fair, that the people who spent over 20 years of their professional life to get this data are the first to work on it

but you and your EC friends at thunderdolts could of course try to actually write up a real physical model of an EC, which then can be checked with available data on PDS or PSA from previous encounters with comets, and fine tune it, and then when the data start becoming available spruce it up further and show how mainstream is wrong.

however, I have not seen any EC proponents work with any actual data apart from looking at images ... can you show me any EC work that has used magnetic field or plasma data from e.g. giotto, vega, ... ?
 
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As I would not expect Sol88 to be able to know his way around real scientific papers, here two about activity of Hale-Bopp at large distances (open access):

Cometary Activity at 25.7 AU: Hale-Bopp 11 Years after Perihelion

Frozen to death? Detection of comet Hale-Bopp at 30.7 AU

I have had no time to read them yet.
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Interesting read. To sum up briefly, the comet was still active at 25.7 AU, with an estimated temperature of ~53K. It seems to have ceased activity at or before 30.7 AU, with an estimated temperature of ~50K.
Should be noted that the sublimation temperature for CO in a vacuum is 24K.
 
@Reality Check

You are very good at understanding English, what are they trying to tell us?

Strongly-consolidated regions represent the most common region type on both lobes. Most of these regions show variable degrees of fracturing, which include irregular
or regular systems as well as ,polygonal, conjugate,regularly intersecting or ortho-rombic networks. The ubiquitous presence of fractured materials on the surface of the comet is of paramount significance for a body that displays a very low bulk density of ~0.5 kg/m3
[2], and high surface temperatures suggestive of a dry, porous, and poorly thermally conductive surface [8].
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LINK

I'm all ears! :)
 
 
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