Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

Status
Not open for further replies.
Sol88 said:
The EU has plenty of evidence and a coherent hypothesis which by the way can also explain the bright spots on Ceres and the structures found on Pluto unlike the mainstream who seem consistently surprised, surprisingly!
Click to expand...

Not really Sol88, in fact the last time I asked you to demonstrate your claims, you waved your hands a lot and couldn't cite any data.

As usual

The EU is full of **** and has no data to support any electric stars or any thing other than ********
 
Sol88 said:
Well Hale-Bopp was still discharging (sorry outgassing) beyond the water sublimation zone...
Click to expand...

What albedo are the planets and icy moons? What is the albedo of a comet? What is the sublimation temperature of CO2?
Basic stuff.

Is all this scientifically illiterate hand waving just another attempt to avoid the question I keep asking?
Where is the evidence for any of the EU claims about comets?
I'll save you the time of trawling through the literature; there isn't any. All based on ignorance and pareidolia.
 
Sol88 said:
and they are collimated how exactly?

I don't think anybody here is denying "ice" sublimates into a vacuum but you have to ask the question, why do some of the icy moons we have in our solar system not appear like comets?
Click to expand...

There are numerous observations and models of how collimation occurs. For instance, for a recent paper, see: Geologic control of jet formation on Comet 103P/Hartley 2; http://planetary.brown.edu/pdfs/4623.pdf

As somebody else mentioned, the icy moons are water ice and beyond the distance at which water will sublimate. CO and CO2 will though, out to very large distances. See: Carbon Monoxide Production and Excitation in Comet C/1995 O1 (Hale-Bopp): Isolation of Native and Distributed CO Sources; http://astrobiology.gsfc.nasa.gov/pdf/2001 ref/disanti_2001.pdf

This stuff has been known about for a long time.
 
jonesdave116 said:
Why is asking for evidence of claims about electric comet models off-topic in the electric comet thread? Please explain.
Click to expand...

It doesn't fit in an evidence-free thread. No evidence has yet been offered, none will ever be offered, none can ever be offered because none exists.

The actual thread topic is not evidence for the Electricoidical whatchamahoosieISM "theory" but by body of work the thread topic is Texas Sharpshooting.
 
Reality Check said:
This thread is about the EC delusion, Sol88. Your (or anyone's!) ignorance about the mainstream theory does not support the EC delusion.
Click to expand...


Yep, old Sol's doing a pretty good job of keeping the thread off-topic to avoid questions about the ECH. He just keeps asking "But why?" to every response, like a pre-schooler who doesn't care about the answers but knows it's a wonderful way to wind up their parents.

So how about it, Sol? Why hasn't any significant electrical activity near the comet been detected by the Rosetta instruments? To paraphrase Dr. Ian Malcolm, you do eventually plan to have some, uh, electricity on your electric comet, don''t you?
 
Last edited:
jonesdave116 said:
Why is asking for evidence of claims about electric comet models off-topic in the electric comet thread? Please explain.
Click to expand...

When Sol88 is talking about the EU, they are not talking about the Electric Comet Theory. They are talking about the Electric Universe and all that it entails.

It is a comment to avoid the EU nonsense being in this thread which is limited to a small subset of the EU the ECT.

Electric stars and that nonsense belongs in another thread, I was mainly trying to preemptive a major derail by Sol88.

Sol88 was changing the topic to something other than the ECT
Sol88 said:
The EU has plenty of evidence and a coherent hypothesis which by the way can also explain the bright spots on Ceres and the structures found on Pluto unlike the mainstream who seem consistently surprised, surprisingly!
Click to expand...

Jonesdave116 you are a wonderful poster and I in no way question your judgement, I was just asking that this not become a derail into the Electric Universe. Which is a quite a whole large number of other tthreads.
 
Last edited:
Dancing David said:
Electric stars and that nonsense belongs in another thread, I was mainly trying to preemptive a major derail by Sol88.

Sol88 was changing the topic to something other than the ECT


Jonesdave116 you are a wonderful poster and I in no way question your judgement, I was just asking that this not become a derail into the Electric Universe. Which is a quite a whole large number of other tthreads.
Click to expand...

Ah, fair enough. My request for evidence does relate to the EC nonsense, and was posted a couple of times on the previous page. I probably should have phrased it more explicitly re EC.
Still nothing forthcoming, mind. Must be out looking for petroglyphs as proof!
 
jonesdave116 said:
Ah, fair enough. My request for evidence does relate to the EC nonsense, and was posted a couple of times on the previous page. I probably should have phrased it more explicitly re EC.
Still nothing forthcoming, mind. Must be out looking for petroglyphs as proof!
Click to expand...

Sol88 is the successor to many who have tried to actually explain the ECT, they seem unwilling to even try.
 
I've been asking for a year for a simple list of criteria by which one might differentiate between electrical and sublimation activity.

Ain't comin'.
 
Sol88: Icy moons are outside of the region where sublimation happens

Sol88 said:
and they are collimated how exactly?
Click to expand...
By being emitted from sublimating ices on a comet! Duh, Sol88!
Some jets are emitted from pits - anyone can see why that will collimate them.
As for the others, I do not know - being emitted from cracks rather than pits?
There are rational reasons in science as to why jets are collimated.
The EC delusion just has fantasies about electrical discharges.

The question "why do some of the icy moons we have in our solar system not appear like comets?" is easily answered. Icy moons are around Jupiter, etc. which is outside of the region where most comets develop coma.
In addition
  • Most icy moons are massive compared to comets - gravity prevents coma or jets from forming from any sublimation.
  • Few small icy moons have been observed closely enough to see any sublimation. The best observed ones are around Saturn - well outside of the sublimation region.
  • ETA: Icy moons tend to have different compositions than comets.
    They spend all of their lifetime in a region where volatile ices such as CO can sublimate and perhaps escape the moon. That leaves the ices that do not sublimate at their location. e.g. water.
    They are around gas giants where tidal heating is a factor.
    They have a lot of rock because they are denser than comets, e.g. Ganymede is about equal parts rock and ices.
 
Last edited:
Sol88 said:
Well Hale-Bopp was still discharging (sorry outgassing) beyond the water sublimation zone...
Click to expand...
Well linking to the ignorance, delusions and lies of Thunderbolts suggests yet another lie from them (but is not), Sol88.
It does show more Thunderbolts ignorance of physics. Gasses escape from bodies when they exceed the bodies escape velocity. The more massive a body, the higher the escape velocity. Comets are tiny - it is easy for sublimating gases to escape from them. The icy moons of Saturn and Jupiter are mostly massive compared to comets - it is idiotic to think that sublimating gasses would escape from them to make them "as dry as our own scorched Moon". It is doubly idiotic to imply that the Moon is an icy moon :eek:!

It is possible that a tiny icy moon around Jupiter or Saturn could sublimate gases that would escape the moon. What you end up with is not a moon around Jupiter or Saturn. You end up with the rocks and dust that the icy moon had collected during its lifetime.

This is a rational citation: Comet Hale–Bopp
In October 2007, 10 years after the perihelion and at distance of 25.7 AU from Sun, the comet was still active as indicated by the detection of the CO-driven coma.[24]
Click to expand...
This is between Uranus and Neptune. The observation show that after perihelion and after the comet has been heated up to its maximum temperature, CO can still sublimate. Probably due to the stored heat though that 10 years surprises me.

The icy moons of Jupiter, etc. do not travel many AU to be heated up by the Sun and then swing outward again cooling slowly as they go :eye-poppi!
 
Because Comets Aren’t Cool Enough: They Also Have Sinkholes
The comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko is heading toward the Sun, and as it does, it slowly dies.

But what a death. Underneath its crusty surface are icy deposits, and as the comet nears the Sun, these warm. The ice turns directly to gas and blows out of vents, forming gorgeous and delicate streamers of water vapor dozens of kilometers long. The picture at the top of the article shows the long-distance view of this; from 177 kilometers away, the Rosetta spacecraft sees quite a few of these jets.

But what do these do to the surface? Some of the vents have been seen in close-up views from Rosetta, and they come from pits that you might mistake for impact craters at first. It’s clear these are the sources of at least some of the jets, but a new study reveals they’re more than that: They’re sinkholes.
Click to expand...
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
It doesn't fit in an evidence-free thread. No evidence has yet been offered, none will ever be offered, none can ever be offered because none exists.

The actual thread topic is not evidence for the Electricoidical whatchamahoosieISM "theory" but by body of work the thread topic is Texas Sharpshooting.
Click to expand...


It's there!!! Holger SIERKS needs to release the 3D and time lapse images of the jets source location, then we can talk again.

Why are they holding onto the data for so long??? Over a year now :(

Lots of pissed off public posting these thoughts on the ROSETTA BLOG page as well.

All we get now is a couple happy snaps '00kms away :(

just to reiterate HOLGER SIERKS holds the trump card!
 
Last edited:
@Tusenfem

How's the detection of the 67P's double layer going?

Gota fly thru it and when they did it entered safe mode and was moved out to a safer orbit.

any chance of hearing the comets "song" and how's it's changed 1 year on??
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Share this page

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom