Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[MichaelB]

Dear god why, why did I go there? She refers to herself as a he because she she is Prof Shape and the other nutters in comments do as well.

I really would like to read about Jackson being taken down and hope those with more knowledge on these guys would file a complaint with the UW.

MichaelB, btw, how is Bedelia's real name known ?

Amy was posting in one of the Meredith Facebook groups advertising her "vigil" in NYC asking people to join her and on twitter then posted photos on PMF.

 

[Briars]

Dear god why, why did I go there? She refers to herself as a he because she she is Prof Shape and the other nutters in comments do as well.

I really would like to read about Jackson being taken down and hope those with more knowledge on these guys would file a complaint with the UW.

MichaelB, btw, how is Bedelia's real name known ?

What a curious happening. A large beautiful photo of Meredith appearing at the book signing talk circuit event. An event directly linked to the victim. Now why would some see that as an unwelcome intrusion? Tell me why the discomfort?

 

[Rolfe]

Go figure.

Rolfe.

 

[toto]

What a curious happening. A large beautiful photo of Meredith appearing at the book signing talk circuit event. An event directly linked to the victim. Now why would some see that as an unwelcome intrusion? Tell me why the discomfort?

But look what happened when Amanda tried to pay her respects on her blog site. The problem is that the PGP community seem to try to link the terrible and shocking murder of Meredith and the memory of her with the notion that Amanda is guilty, a bit like Orwell's Squealer from Animal Farm refrain of "Two legs bad, four legs good" to override any objections.

 

[Bill Williams]

What a curious happening. A large beautiful photo of Meredith appearing at the book signing talk circuit event. An event directly linked to the victim. Now why would some see that as an unwelcome intrusion? Tell me why the discomfort?

Me, I thought it was a nice touch.

But you misunderstand, Briars. What soiled it was not the image itself. AFAIK, Meredith herself is always remembered with respect at FOA events. It's true, she's the first victim of this horrible ordeal. The Kercher family has endured an unimaginable tragedy. Period. Full stop.

But then there's this loopy couple in Seattle hijacking U of W AV equipment, thinking they are shaming Raffaele. Raffaele is one who believes Meredith is victim #1 here, but unlike shamelss guilters does not try to hijack her memory.

It was the intent, once discovered which was totally creepy. The image itself was great.

Nice try with ambush posting.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Really!

What a curious happening. A large beautiful photo of Meredith appearing at the book signing talk circuit event. An event directly linked to the victim. Now why would some see that as an unwelcome intrusion? Tell me why the discomfort?

Did the person who projected the image have the permission of UW to do so? Did the person who projected the image ask the presenter for his approval?
EDT
+1 for what toto and Bill Williams said.

 

[Bill Williams]

Briars. It is the height of hypocrisy from guilters to say that FOA should not be honouring Meredith's memory, yet when they don't suggest that they are forgetting Meredith.

The image itself was completely appropriate. It was the couple cackling in the background who weren't. They were getting immense satisfaction at using, yes using, Meredith's memory this way, intending it as a gotcha!

Say what you want. That part is plain creepy. That you don't think so says all I need to hear.

 

[kwill]

Here is the article (with photos) that Kathleen, a/k/a Professor Snape, a/k/a Media Watcher, wrote about going to the interview: http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...99.9999_of_seattle_from_a_pestilent/#comments

I notice in the comments The Machine wrote, "I find it heartening that you and Bedelia have been proactive and made sure that Meredith wasn’t forgotten when Sollecito tried to promote his disgusting book." I don't know who Bedelia is, but perhaps s/he was the person behind the computer hacking.

Thank you. I get the scope of the mission now. She thinks she's Barbie Nadeau, only more awash in wit and determined to bring her special humor to the proceedings. Reading that, you have to wonder . . . how does putting up a picture of a murdered girl as a joke on the audience qualify as respect for that murdered girl? How does publishing a self-serving piece about one's own deviousness bring peace to her family?

This is all and only about Kathleen. How terribly weird.

 

[Grinder]

Dear god why, why did I go there? She refers to herself as a he because she she is Prof Shape and the other nutters in comments do as well.

I really would like to read about Jackson being taken down and hope those with more knowledge on these guys would file a complaint with the UW.

MichaelB, btw, how is Bedelia's real name known ?

What a curious happening. A large beautiful photo of Meredith appearing at the book signing talk circuit event. An event directly linked to the victim. Now why would some see that as an unwelcome intrusion? Tell me why the discomfort?

First of all I didn't comment on the photo at all. To directly answer your question, why would any intrusion be acceptable. If John Kercher did a book signing event for his book and somebody put up a picture of Amanda with a caption the wrongly accused friend of Meredith, would that be okay?

I know this is almost impossible for any PGP, but just imagine that Raf is completely innocent. At the time of this book signing he was not guilty under Italian law. Having accomplished that state of mind, can you see that Raf would be seen as a victim of the system and that Meredith death had nothing to do with him accept being used to persecute him.

If he is found innocent by this next court and it becomes completely clear he had nothing to do with the murder would it be okay to keep showing Meredith's picture anywhere he goes? If one of the british girls writes a book about their own life should people be allowed to project a picture of Meredith against her wishes?

But look what happened when Amanda tried to pay her respects on her blog site. The problem is that the PGP community seem to try to link the terrible and shocking murder of Meredith and the memory of her with the notion that Amanda is guilty, a bit like Orwell's Squealer from Animal Farm refrain of "Two legs bad, four legs good" to override any objections.

The PGP seem to think they own this entire tragedy. They want the house turned into a museum at the landlord's expense. They keep saying Meredith shouldn't be forgotten, ignoring that she hasn't been forgotten precisely because of the kids fighting this conviction. Had they copped a plea, Meredith would have long been forgotten.

 

[Bill Williams]

But look what happened when Amanda tried to pay her respects on her blog site. The problem is that the PGP community seem to try to link the terrible and shocking murder of Meredith and the memory of her with the notion that Amanda is guilty, a bit like Orwell's Squealer from Animal Farm refrain of "Two legs bad, four legs good" to override any objections.

I'm waiting for a guilter somewhere to criticize Amanda thusly....

"Look at that uncaring ********'s website. If she really wanted to do something for the Kerchers, she'd at least link to the Meredith memorial website....."

This would be consistent with guilters building their theories on double binds.

 

[Bill Williams]

Thank you. I get the scope of the mission now. She thinks she's Barbie Nadeau, only more awash in wit and determined to bring her special humor to the proceedings. Reading that, you have to wonder . . . how does putting up a picture of a murdered girl as a joke on the audience qualify as respect for that murdered girl? How does publishing a self-serving piece about one's own deviousness bring peace to her family?

This is all and only about Kathleen. How terribly weird.

Briars thought the whole thing was appropriate.

The technical term for the creepiness is, "expropriation of voice." Briars and Machievelli encourage things like that.

I need a shower.

 

[Briars]

But look what happened when Amanda tried to pay her respects on her blog site. The problem is that the PGP community seem to try to link the terrible and shocking murder of Meredith and the memory of her with the notion that Amanda is guilty, a bit like Orwell's Squealer from Animal Farm refrain of "Two legs bad, four legs good" to override any objections.

Disrespecting the Kerchers will not help Amanda.All the complements on her site will not disguise the underlying distasteful message.She said a few months ago she wanted to be taken tot the grave with the Kerchers. Diplomatically they let it be known the gravesite should be respected. Later we learn Sollecito paid a secret visit there.Amanda initially refused to remove material from her site without hearing from the Kerchers directly,challenging their lawyer who obviously was speaking for them. She writes the Kerchers aren't above criticism and invites an open dialogue. The blog is a disaster but it hardly matters at this point.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Really!!

Disrespecting the Kerchers will not help Amanda.All the complements on her site will not disguise the underlying distasteful message.She said a few months ago she wanted to be taken tot the grave with the Kerchers. Diplomatically they let it be known the gravesite should be respected.

I don't disagree with the notion that Kercher family is the custodian of Meredith's grave. The word "respected" is problematic, however. I have learned more about Meredith from Amanda's book than I have from the vast majority of comments from PG-commenters. That Amanda's presence at Meredith's grave would be disrespectful is a very strange concept, if that was what was meant. I strongly disagree with the notion that anything Amanda did was "disrespecting" the Kercher family. That is utter nonsense.

 

[Bill Williams]

Disrespecting the Kerchers will not help Amanda.All the complements on her site will not disguise the underlying distasteful message.She said a few months ago she wanted to be taken tot the grave with the Kerchers. Diplomatically they let it be known the gravesite should be respected.

I don't disagree with the notion that Kercher family is the custodian of Meredith's grave. The word "respected" is problematic, however. I have learned more about Meredith from Amanda's book than I have from the vast majority of comments from PG-commenters. That Amanda's presence at Meredith's grave would be disrespectful is a very strange concept, if that was what was meant. I strongly disagree with the notion that anything Amanda did was "disrespecting" the Kercher family. That is utter nonsense.

Why is Briars even commenting? The Kerchers are fully able, and have expressed their desires about this. Why does Briars need to get involved at all?

With that said, the word "respected" is the key one here. Disrespecting Amanda will not help the Kerchers.

 

[Grinder]

Disrespecting the Kerchers will not help Amanda.All the complements on her site will not disguise the underlying distasteful message.She said a few months ago she wanted to be taken tot the grave with the Kerchers. Diplomatically they let it be known the gravesite should be respected. Later we learn Sollecito paid a secret visit there.Amanda initially refused to remove material from her site without hearing from the Kerchers directly,challenging their lawyer who obviously was speaking for them. She writes the Kerchers aren't above criticism and invites an open dialogue. The blog is a disaster but it hardly matters at this point.

Once again, are you making this observation considering Amanda innocent?

Not withstanding the compliments what is the underlying "distasteful massage? Do you believe that friends and family of victims have carte blanche rights to attack someone they think may have something to do with the crime against the victim?

Why would it wrong to visit the grave of a friend that one was falsely accused of killing? Having said that, I don't think they should have done it publicly at this time.

Once just imagine being innocent and having a mouthpiece like Maresca giving you orders.

Btw, I think you have forgotten all the criticism the family received from the PGP for not contacting the Kerchers early on.

 

[Bill Williams]

Disrespecting the Kerchers will not help Amanda.All the complements on her site will not disguise the underlying distasteful message.She said a few months ago she wanted to be taken tot the grave with the Kerchers. Diplomatically they let it be known the gravesite should be respected. Later we learn Sollecito paid a secret visit there.Amanda initially refused to remove material from her site without hearing from the Kerchers directly,challenging their lawyer who obviously was speaking for them. She writes the Kerchers aren't above criticism and invites an open dialogue. The blog is a disaster but it hardly matters at this point.

The blog is only seen as a disaster to those who, against the evidence, consider her guilty.

I wish guilters would make up their minds. I've also read guilters say that the blog is simply an extension of the massive PR effort which resulted in the Hellmann acquittals.

Which is it? A disaster or so effective that it perverts Italian justice? Sheesh.

 

[Briars]

First of all I didn't comment on the photo at all. To directly answer your question, why would any intrusion be acceptable. If John Kercher did a book signing event for his book and somebody put up a picture of Amanda with a caption the wrongly accused friend of Meredith, would that be okay?

I know this is almost impossible for any PGP, but just imagine that Raf is completely innocent. At the time of this book signing he was not guilty under Italian law. Having accomplished that state of mind, can you see that Raf would be seen as a victim of the system and that Meredith death had nothing to do with him accept being used to persecute him.

If he is found innocent by this next court and it becomes completely clear he had nothing to do with the murder would it be okay to keep showing Meredith's picture anywhere he goes? If one of the british girls writes a book about their own life should people be allowed to project a picture of Meredith against her wishes?



The PGP seem to think they own this entire tragedy. They want the house turned into a museum at the landlord's expense. They keep saying Meredith shouldn't be forgotten, ignoring that she hasn't been forgotten precisely because of the kids fighting this conviction. Had they copped a plea, Meredith would have long been forgotten.

Here is the difference in your tit for tat explanation. There are those who believe Amanda's conviction should be reconfirmed. A photo of Amanda is not in anyway comparable to the victim's while the court process continues.A photo of Meredith should be a welcome sight to all including those who believe the defendants are innocent. You grinder are guilty in your defence of Amanda by throwing gratuitous slights towards Meredith. Comments about her sex life or intimate grooming practices on this site were particularly offensive. If you want to imagine that women want Amanda to be guilty because they themselves are unattractive , barren or whatever other nonsense suits your fantasy indulge away. Please leave Meredith out of any future comparisons to Amanda.

 

[toto]

Here is the difference in your tit for tat explanation. There are those who believe Amanda's conviction should be reconfirmed. A photo of Amanda is not in anyway comparable to the victim's while the court process continues.A photo of Meredith should be a welcome sight to all including those who believe the defendants are innocent. You grinder are guilty in your defence of Amanda by throwing gratuitous slights towards Meredith. Comments about her sex life or intimate grooming practices on this site were particularly offensive. If you want to imagine that women want Amanda to be guilty because they themselves are unattractive , barren or whatever other nonsense suits your fantasy indulge away. Please leave Meredith out of any future comparisons to Amanda.

Rather tiresomely of course you have no evidence to back up this assertion.

 

[Rolfe]

Here is the difference in your tit for tat explanation. There are those who believe Amanda's conviction should be reconfirmed. A photo of Amanda is not in anyway comparable to the victim's while the court process continues.A photo of Meredith should be a welcome sight to all including those who believe the defendants are innocent. You grinder are guilty in your defence of Amanda by throwing gratuitous slights towards Meredith. Comments about her sex life or intimate grooming practices on this site were particularly offensive. If you want to imagine that women want Amanda to be guilty because they themselves are unattractive , barren or whatever other nonsense suits your fantasy indulge away. Please leave Meredith out of any future comparisons to Amanda.

Meredith and Amanda were very similar people. Both had embarked on active sex lives with local boys soon after arriving in Italy. Both smoked pot. Both enjoyed partying. Meredith was a binge drinker, though I'm not sure if Amanda was.

This beatification of one perfectly normal student and the demonisation of the other say more about the people doing it than the girls themselves.

Meredith, sadly, would be forgotten by all but her own family by now, were it not for the publicity afforded by the witch-hunt that has attached itself to her murder.

She was murdered soon after returning home, probably around 9.20. That's simple fact. So unless you can figure out some scenario where the girl you love to hate managed to kill Meredith at that time, you're spinning fantasies.

And goading is goading, whether or not a photograph of Meredith is considered to be beautiful to look at.

Rolfe.

 

[Grinder]

Here is the difference in your tit for tat explanation. There are those who believe Amanda's conviction should be reconfirmed. A photo of Amanda is not in anyway comparable to the victim's while the court process continues.A photo of Meredith should be a welcome sight to all including those who believe the defendants are innocent. You grinder are guilty in your defence of Amanda by throwing gratuitous slights towards Meredith. Comments about her sex life or intimate grooming practices on this site were particularly offensive. If you want to imagine that women want Amanda to be guilty because they themselves are unattractive , barren or whatever other nonsense suits your fantasy indulge away. Please leave Meredith out of any future comparisons to Amanda.

Intimate grooming habits? Think you are confused again. Maybe the dogs barking in the valley distracted you.

Since this crime started out and has continued to be classified as a sex crime including something called a "sex game" and considering the authorities at first thought she knew her killer brings her sex life into the picture.

The comparisons are far more rampant on the PG sites, only there every aspect of Amanda's life is distorted and no one over there says a thing.

I do believe that some of the women that are so anti-Amanda, more-so than anti-Rudy, is because of their personal problems and jealousy. Let me point out that the PGP have spent years categorizing all people that doubt the guilty verdict as one type of person. They have accused commenters of being paid by Marriott. They have taken some crackpot writer's "interview" with a jailer and called Amanda stinky along with scads of names. They call Raf knifeboy, turnip something, druggy and porn something. They attack Amanda's family with references to how fat she will become.

Why should a picture of Meredith be a welcome sight no matter what the context? Does Raf's book have a picture of Meredith? Should it?

ETA - There are those who believe Amanda's conviction should be reconfirmed.
That is the heart of it, isn't it. You can't even imagine that they are innocent therefore they deserve no consideration.

Btw, her conviction has never been confirmed.