Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Desert Fox]

Well DF, you would be wrong. Pawn shops originated in Italy and there are Pawn Shops in the Netherlands aw well.

Well, far from the first time I have been wrong
They are at least uncommon enough my friend in the Netherlands did not know what they are and he does live in a city.

 

[NancyS]

Need to read a bit about Swyer's syndrome. The same with regards to Trans-Genders. Neither is inherited in the way you argue. Most stuff I have read indicates that Swyers is just some weird fluke that there is no heritability.
Transgenders are more likely due to conditions in the womb. Later children are more likely to be transgenders for example. Again, otherwise it does not seem to be inherited either.

The most common cause of a woman having XY chromosomes is to have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, which is x-linked recessive, although it is a spontaneous mutation in about 30% of cases

Still extremely rare though

http://www.aissg.org/

 

[Planigale]

Need to read a bit about Swyer's syndrome. The same with regards to Trans-Genders. Neither is inherited in the way you argue. Most stuff I have read indicates that Swyers is just some weird fluke that there is no heritability.
Transgenders are more likely due to conditions in the womb. Later children are more likely to be transgenders for example. Again, otherwise it does not seem to be inherited either.

We are really talking about complete androgen insensitivity, an X linked characteristic. Female heterozygotes are asymptomatic carriers. You do not get homozygous females (because a male with an affected X chromosome would be infertile). 1:2 of XX offspring will be carrier. 1:2 XY offspring will be affected and develop as (infertile) female. So if one is an affected female there is a 1:3 chance your sister is XY also.

Some cases will be new mutations.

Practical stats. You come from a culture with arranged marriages. You have to marry your son one of three sisters, you know that the mother carries the gene for CAI. You choose Aisha, Chanda says she knows she has two X chromosomes but is already betrothed. Do you marry your son to Aisha or do you marry him to Bilqis?

 

[Planigale]

I didn't make that mistake and I totally agree. I said "totally random". It is highly unlikely that it would be totally random, clustering does occur. Like minded people cluster. Transgender people find their own kind as we all do.

Apologies; you did say random. It was meant as a more general comment that people keep on multiplying probabilities for events that are not independent.

 

[acbytesla]

Well, far from the first time I have been wrong
They are at least uncommon enough my friend in the Netherlands did not know what they are and he does live in a city.

We all are..me as much as anyone. As for the Netherlands, maybe your friend simply is not the kind of guy to ever pawn an item or buy from a pawn shop. People really do live in different worlds. I have a very wealthy friend and he is absolutely clueless about the life the rest of us live. He's never been to a garage sale or a thrift store, in fact he never goes to the supermarket as he has people that do that kind of thing for him. If you asked him about pawn shops, I'd bet he would be oblivious to it as well.

One thing that seems to be true is that there seems to be more pawn shops in distressed areas as opposed to more wealthy areas. So maybe he just lives on the right side of the tracks.

 

[acbytesla]

Apologies; you did say random. It was meant as a more general comment that people keep on multiplying probabilities for events that are not independent.

No Problem. Your comment was appropriate. It really doesn't matter if it is 30 thousand to 1 or 900 million to 1,absurd is still absurd. I look at it like the statement that the US has the nuclear capabilities to destroy all the people on the planet twenty times over. Once would be enough.

 

[Desert Fox]

We all are..me as much as anyone. As for the Netherlands, maybe your friend simply is not the kind of guy to ever pawn an item or buy from a pawn shop. People really do live in different worlds. I have a very wealthy friend and he is absolutely clueless about the life the rest of us live. He's never been to a garage sale or a thrift store, in fact he never goes to the supermarket as he has people that do that kind of thing for him. If you asked him about pawn shops, I'd bet he would be oblivious to it as well.

One thing that seems to be true is that there seems to be more pawn shops in distressed areas as opposed to more wealthy areas. So maybe he just lives on the right side of the tracks.

I don't think I remember ever seeing a Pawn Shop in New England
My friend does buy some used stuff especially books though.
Did know about thrift stores because I kind of used them in part of describing pawn shops.

 

[acbytesla]

I don't think I remember ever seeing a Pawn Shop in New England
My friend does buy some used stuff especially books though.
Did know about thrift stores because I kind of used them in part of describing pawn shops.

Seriously, the more wealthy the neighborhood, the chances of seeing a pawn shop seems to decrease dramatically. Head to the worst part of town, you will find them.

 

[Desert Fox]

Seriously, the more wealthy the neighborhood, the chances of seeing a pawn shop seems to decrease dramatically. Head to the worst part of town, you will find them.

There are plenty pretty close to where I live now.
Don't know if where I live now could be considered a real bad area and suspect they are more common in the south than northeast of the USA.

 

[acbytesla]

There are plenty pretty close to where I live now.
Don't know if where I live now could be considered a real bad area and suspect they are more common in the south than northeast of the USA.

Really DF? I just did a Google for Pawn Shop Boston and there are 18 pages of Pawn Shops.

 

[Desert Fox]

Really DF? I just did a Google for Pawn Shop Boston and there are 18 pages of Pawn Shops.

In Mass, I lived in Fitchburg, Shirley, and Ayer
In NH, I lived in Jefferson and have stayed extensively in Derry and Nashua
No Pawn shops at the time in Lancaster, Littleton, or Berlin NH (1980s)

Edit:
I get 7 Pawn Shops in Boston with a population of 640,000
I get 7 Pawn Shops in Norfolk with a population of 250,000

 

[acbytesla]

In Mass, I lived in Fitchburg, Shirley, and Ayer
In NH, I lived in Jefferson and have stayed extensively in Derry and Nashua
No Pawn shops at the time in Lancaster, Littleton, or Berlin NH (1980s)

Edit:
I get 7 Pawn Shops in Boston with a population of 640,000
I get 7 Pawn Shops in Norfolk with a population of 250,000

Interesting.

 

[Bill Williams]

Judge Nencini in his motivations report may have given a reason to believe a pro-innocence conspiracy theory regarding Rudy Guede. This is what some are claiming and I cannot find the original form of this argument, so I'm trying to recreate it here for myself.

It leaves me scratching my head, really. Nencini's report is so bizarre, it is perhaps difficult to believe even the things that tend to support the side of innocence!

However, consider this. Steve Moore has written in the past that it is entirely possible that the Perugian police, and particularly Mignini knew very well that Rudy Guede committed this crime right from the start. In fact, Guede's crime-spree (of sorts) in Milan, with similar M.O.'s, is a pointer to it.

With that in mind, Meredith Kercher could very well be alive today if the Perugian police and particularly Giuliano Mignini had made one phone call.

Well.... that's the conspiracy. Judicially we have heard nothing about it, not in Borsini, not in Massei, not in Hellmann, not in the ISC reports.....

But here's what Luca Cheli says Nencini says in the Arpil 2014 motivations report, in answer to the first of three rhetorical questions Nencini asks, and then answers:

1) who had interest to operate a cleanup?​

Well, on page 84 of Nencini's motivations, Nencini said that Rudy Guede would not do the kind of clean-up which was found at the cottage, a clean that erased nearly all of Guede's presence, except for the murderroom itself and Filomena's toilet.

Further, Nencini states at page 84 that Guede “had perpetrated before thefts using the same technique” and that hence for him faking a break-in like the one seen at the cottage, real or faked, would have just meant calling upon himself the attention of the investigators.

On this Cheli concludes after reading Nencini:

besides admitting that our highly skilled burglar had used the same “uselessly complex” technique before, Nencini also implies that he was known to the investigators because of his activities (and he reiterates on page 92 that the police would have quickly arrived at him....)​

Has Nencini unwittingly just verified an innocenter conspiracy theory?

You decide. Nencini's motivations is stunningly stupid enough..... is it really THIS stupid? With this in mind, Meredith Kercher could very well be alive today if the Perugian police and particularly Giuliano Mignini had made one phone call.

 

[Desert Fox]

Interesting.

When I put in "Perugia pawn shops" I get three a,b,c entries but two seem to be the same place (Same phone number)

I have been using Bing translate because Google Translate seems to do nothing.

Both "Pawn Shops" though seem to only take gold, silver, platinum, coins, gems, and jewelry. Not what I think of when I mean pawn shops

 

[acbytesla]

When I put in "Perugia pawn shops" I get three a,b,c entries but two seem to be the same place (Same phone number)

I have been using Bing translate because Google Translate seems to do nothing.

Both "Pawn Shops" though seem to only take gold, silver, platinum, coins, gems, and jewelry. Not what I think of when I mean pawn shops

Did you do it in English?? or Italian??
banco dei pegni?? Seems to come up with a lot..but I can't read Italian.

 

[Strozzi]

Judge Nencini in his motivations report may have given a reason to believe a pro-innocence conspiracy theory regarding Rudy Guede. This is what some are claiming and I cannot find the original form of this argument, so I'm trying to recreate it here for myself.

It leaves me scratching my head, really. Nencini's report is so bizarre, it is perhaps difficult to believe even the things that tend to support the side of innocence!

However, consider this. Steve Moore has written in the past that it is entirely possible that the Perugian police, and particularly Mignini knew very well that Rudy Guede committed this crime right from the start. In fact, Guede's crime-spree (of sorts) in Milan, with similar M.O.'s, is a pointer to it.

With that in mind, Meredith Kercher could very well be alive today if the Perugian police and particularly Giuliano Mignini had made one phone call.

Well.... that's the conspiracy. Judicially we have heard nothing about it, not in Borsini, not in Massei, not in Hellmann, not in the ISC reports.....

But here's what Luca Cheli says Nencini says in the Arpil 2014 motivations report, in answer to the first of three rhetorical questions Nencini asks, and then answers:

1) who had interest to operate a cleanup?​

Well, on page 84 of Nencini's motivations, Nencini said that Rudy Guede would not do the kind of clean-up which was found at the cottage, a clean that erased nearly all of Guede's presence, except for the murderroom itself and Filomena's toilet.

Further, Nencini states at page 84 that Guede “had perpetrated before thefts using the same technique” and that hence for him faking a break-in like the one seen at the cottage, real or faked, would have just meant calling upon himself the attention of the investigators.

On this Cheli concludes after reading Nencini:

​

Has Nencini unwittingly just verified an innocenter conspiracy theory?

You decide. Nencini's motivations is stunningly stupid enough..... is it really THIS stupid? With this in mind, Meredith Kercher could very well be alive today if the Perugian police and particularly Giuliano Mignini had made one phone call.

I see four behaviors in Rudy's Method of Operation (MO) that would probably be 1) included as details in a common police report, and 2) should make it stand out, be memorable, and differentiate it from other burglary reports. They are:
1) rock thrown through a window,
2) climb/entry through a high window,
3) feeding himself in the kitchen,
4) use of toilet/failure to flush.

 

[Desert Fox]

Did you do it in English?? or Italian??
banco dei pegni?? Seems to come up with a lot..but I can't read Italian.

Google will not let you translate their own pages

Probably doesn't matter because Pawn Shops in the US record enough info that they can track you down later. . . .
Even recycling records personal information - I recycle my aluminum cans and every time I bring them in, they take info off your DL and get a thumb print.

I would think that they do the same thing in Italy (or something similar)

 

[acbytesla]

Google will not let you translate their own pages

Probably doesn't matter because Pawn Shops in the US record enough info that they can track you down later. . . .
Even recycling records personal information - I recycle my aluminum cans and every time I bring them in, they take info off your DL and get a thumb print.

I would think that they do the same thing in Italy (or something similar)

Anything with a serial number presents a challenge. Jewelry is a lot easier to sell and pawn.

 

[Desert Fox]

Anything with a serial number presents a challenge. Jewelry is a lot easier to sell and pawn.

I know that with my Dell Laptop, I can go onto the Dell website and look at its original configuration.
All of my hard drives are registered with WD or Seagate.
Edit: That should be all I bought new - I have managed to get a few hard drives from computers that were scrapped for free.
With my new desktop, the motherboard, CPU, and video card are also all registered through their manufacturers as well.

 

[Strozzi]

Judge Nencini in his motivations report may have given a reason to believe a pro-innocence conspiracy theory regarding Rudy Guede. This is what some are claiming and I cannot find the original form of this argument, so I'm trying to recreate it here for myself.

It leaves me scratching my head, really. Nencini's report is so bizarre, it is perhaps difficult to believe even the things that tend to support the side of innocence!

However, consider this. Steve Moore has written in the past that it is entirely possible that the Perugian police, and particularly Mignini knew very well that Rudy Guede committed this crime right from the start. In fact, Guede's crime-spree (of sorts) in Milan, with similar M.O.'s, is a pointer to it.

With that in mind, Meredith Kercher could very well be alive today if the Perugian police and particularly Giuliano Mignini had made one phone call.

Well.... that's the conspiracy. Judicially we have heard nothing about it, not in Borsini, not in Massei, not in Hellmann, not in the ISC reports.....

But here's what Luca Cheli says Nencini says in the Arpil 2014 motivations report, in answer to the first of three rhetorical questions Nencini asks, and then answers:

1) who had interest to operate a cleanup?​

Well, on page 84 of Nencini's motivations, Nencini said that Rudy Guede would not do the kind of clean-up which was found at the cottage, a clean that erased nearly all of Guede's presence, except for the murderroom itself and Filomena's toilet.

Further, Nencini states at page 84 that Guede “had perpetrated before thefts using the same technique” and that hence for him faking a break-in like the one seen at the cottage, real or faked, would have just meant calling upon himself the attention of the investigators.

On this Cheli concludes after reading Nencini:

​

Has Nencini unwittingly just verified an innocenter conspiracy theory?

You decide. Nencini's motivations is stunningly stupid enough..... is it really THIS stupid? With this in mind, Meredith Kercher could very well be alive today if the Perugian police and particularly Giuliano Mignini had made one phone call.

I have the feeling that judges in this case engaged in "out of courtroom" communication with the prosecution, for I cannot otherwise comprehend some of their extreme and dogged views and interpretations based on the evidence presented. I believe the police and prosecution have secret "information" which they falsely interpret as proof of guilt - information which they will not disclose or subject to the rigors of defense scrutiny and cross-examination - and that the prosecution or police have told judges that they have secret (false) proof of guilt.