Continuation Part 18: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Bill Williams]

Kokomani came all the way from Albania to Italy to voluntarily make a witness statement he saw the trio completely off their heads crouching behind bins and brandishing a knife.

It's fair to speculate they were laying in wait for Mez when she arrived home, Raff and Amanda simultaneously having switched off their phones. (Jodi Arias also turned off her phone when she stalked Travis [sp_?].)

The slow-fooding with embellishments continue. The non sequitur of Jody Arias was a nice touch.

 

[acbytesla]

Kokomani was a serious criminal involved in serious organised crime. Coming from Albania, it's likely he was connected to Negrahabi (sp_?????) now Italy's most notorious mafia gang. They won 't have taken kindly to his co-operating with the police, as that breaks virtually #1 of their code of conduct.

So? The FACT is his testimony was nonsense. That is the reality. So suggesting that parts of it were legitimate for some bizarre and wild speculation is also nonsense.

 

[Bill Williams]

So? The FACT is his testimony was nonsense. That is the reality. So suggesting that parts of it were legitimate for some bizarre and wild speculation is also nonsense.

This is what Nencini did in Florence. Used a factoid which belonged to Rudy and Rudy alone, to account for a motive, one that up 'till that time had not been floated.

One factoid cherry picked from a killer's account.

Vixen wants us to believe that Kokomani is reliable. Good for her.

 

[acbytesla]

Kokomani came all the way from Albania to Italy to voluntarily make a witness statement he saw the trio completely off their heads crouching behind bins and brandishing a knife.

It's fair to speculate they were laying in wait for Mez when she arrived home, Raff and Amanda simultaneously having switched off their phones. (Jodi Arias also turned off her phone when she stalked Travis [sp_?].)

No its not fair. Kokomani also said that he met Amanda with an Italian uncle she did not have BEFORE Amanda had even left the States. He also described Amanda with her perfect American teeth as having a large gap. Something that was disproven at trial.

We KNOW that he told 3 lies on the stand. Even you know it. But we're supposed to believe the rest of his testimony just because he traveled from Albania?

 

[Vixen]

POST HOC, ERGO PROPTER HOC.
Fallacious causal link.

So do a lot of people. Virtually everyone I know have experimented with either drugs or sex or fast cars or alchohol at one time in their life. Some even have issues with authority and not one of them are psychopathic.

Is this REALLY a factor in your thoughts on this case?

Yes, and I bet a fair few came to a tragic end. Micheli and Massei acknowledged the "Icarus" factor, when all three got reduced sentences as callow youth.

 

[Vixen]

We haven't even finished dealing with your lies regarding text messages and you re- state two further lies.

You cannot produce a citation from the records showing that this evidence exists because it does not exist. What is wrong with you?

It's there in the evidence samples list. The forensic footprint expert testified it was a ladies size 37 ASCICS in his expert witness role. Ladies as the heel was narrower than a male trainer.

How did Rudy squeeze his big feet into it?

 

[carbonjam72]

You've cracked the case--you've identified the co-conspirator! It was the wardrobe.

Of course! How could we have over looked the obvious answer!

That's why there were only foot prints, palm print and finger prints of Rudy in Meredith's wet blood. The wardrobe doesn't have feet, palms, of fingers! Same goes with finding only Rudy's DNA. Damn that crafty wardrobe!

 

[Vixen]

This is what Nencini did in Florence. Used a factoid which belonged to Rudy and Rudy alone, to account for a motive, one that up 'till that time had not been floated.

One factoid cherry picked from a killer's account.

Vixen wants us to believe that Kokomani is reliable. Good for her.

He was to be the prosecution's star witness, in respect to proof of premeditation...until Kokomani inexplicably got cold feet and deliberately botched up his testimony.

 

[Vixen]

So? The FACT is his testimony was nonsense. That is the reality. So suggesting that parts of it were legitimate for some bizarre and wild speculation is also nonsense.

So there we have it, straight out of the horse's mouth.

 

[acbytesla]

Yes, and I bet a fair few came to a tragic end. Micheli and Massei acknowledged the "Icarus" factor, when all three got reduced sentences as callow youth.

There you go then. Every single person who lived in that cottage must have been involved in the murder then. Since EVERY ONE took drugs and I'm pretty sure all of them were having premarital sex.

Seriously, is this how you think? Didn't you go to college? Or have you lived a sheltered life? BTW. I have never smoked grass. And I pretty much think I was the only one who didn't at school.

 

[acbytesla]

So there we have it, straight out of the horse's mouth.

Glad we agree.

 

[bagels]

He was to be the prosecution's star witness, in respect to proof of premeditation...until Kokomani inexplicably got cold feet and deliberately botched up his testimony.

Like Curatolo and Vulcano Pasquale, who noted Lumumba's pub was closed precisely when the police needed it to be - despite that we now know Lumumba was serving up various customers and chatting heartily with a Swiss professor, the Perugian cops never seemed to have trouble drumming up some bizarre witness to promote whatever outrageous testimony they needed at the time.

 

[bagels]

I have an open mind. You still haven't given me a plausible alibi for your darlings on the murder night, and why their footprints in blood should have been all over the shop.

I would love to see more literature on crime scene cleanups. I've linked a paper here before on luminol and TMB. This is the paper that proves it's possible to clean up blood beyond the threshold TMB can detect but is still detectable with luminol. However the caveat was the luminol was very weak, it was only possible with bleach (which leaves an unmistakable odor nobody in the cottage noticed) and the bloody footprint (which was left to dry over 24 hours to really soak in) became a streaky unrecognizable mess. This contrasts with the Kercher case where you have perfectly clear footprints giving a bright strong reaction with luminol. The footprints are a mystery to me, I don't know what they are, I just know they're almost certainly not blood.

 

[Kauffer]

It's there in the evidence samples list. The forensic footprint expert testified it was a ladies size 37 ASCICS in his expert witness role. Ladies as the heel was narrower than a male trainer.

How did Rudy squeeze his big feet into it?

You are deluded. There's no such evidence. It was an idiot prosecution error.

Produce it if I'm wrong.

Where are those Halloween text messages?

 

[Dougm]

Did anyone find any of his DNA? No siree.

NOW you are really getting funny! The crime was committed in 1969.

 

[acbytesla]

I don't get Vixen. She doesn't know Koko yet she suggests that he came voluntarily to "botch" his own testimony. Why even bother Vixen? Why not save the trip?

But we're suppose to find him credible despite that he doesn't know what Amanda looks like and says he first met her with a nonexistent uncle months before she set foot in Italy.

Because according to Vixen and only Vixen that he wanted to testify but he wanted to botch it.

I guess only Mensa members think that way?

 

[Vixen]

There you go then. Every single person who lived in that cottage must have been involved in the murder then. Since EVERY ONE took drugs and I'm pretty sure all of them were having premarital sex.

Seriously, is this how you think? Didn't you go to college? Or have you lived a sheltered life? BTW. I have never smoked grass. And I pretty much think I was the only one who didn't at school.

You have to appreciate a sociopath is not wired like the rest of us. Trying to find a motive for such a futile crime won 't be found by saying, oh, lots of kids experiment, but that's not it.

 

[Kauffer]

You have to appreciate a sociopath is not wired like the rest of us. Trying to find a motive for such a futile crime won 't be found by saying, oh, lots of kids experiment, but that's not it.

Where are the Halloween text messages you told Grinder you would find?

 

[Vixen]

Where are the Halloween text messages you told Grinder you would find?

Down boy, down! Patience is a virtue.

 

[bagels]

You have to appreciate a sociopath is not wired like the rest of us. Trying to find a motive for such a futile crime won 't be found by saying, oh, lots of kids experiment, but that's not it.

When I try to construct a case for guilt I always start by assuming Knox and Sollecito are sociopathic thrill killers. The problem is this doesn't solve any of the logistical and temporal problems with the case. And even if it were possible to construct a working theory, it wouldn't be enough to overcome reasonable doubt, and strong reasonable doubt in this case. For example there's a pretty good working theory that John Ramsey killed his daughter that mostly fits the known facts, but the double LCN DNA from an unknown male in the victim's underwear, and the wife corroborating the broken window story, and the lack of proof there was previous sexual abuse, all raise reasonable doubt. (I apologize in advance for bringing up another 3rd rail case)