Continuation Part 18: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[Bill Williams]

I have actually thought of a theory that explain everything. Rudy may well have been a washing machine repair man, providing a 24/7 service, who was called to fix the damn thing by 'Mez' (yuk). That would explain both his presence and the indisputable but otherwise inexplicable fact that the machine was in perfect working order.

On your point, as Mach is not here to say it, I will do so for him. It doesn't actually matter whether one can make sense of the washing machine being warm, the point is they lied in failing to explain why it was. This is what also make's Curatolo's evidence decisive. He proves they lied because they did not admit to being in the square and it doesn't matter a jot whether his evidence is internally coherent or a total pack of lies even credible. This is Italian law as we have come to understand it here after prolonged and assiduous study.

Was Rudy's pooh found in the washing machine? Big hole in your theory......

Acc. to Italian procedure it is now up to you to prove no feces in the wash. Why? Because since I can assert it, it must be part of the osmotic consideration.

Due to the size, the previous continuation thread has been, itself, continued here.

Posted By: kmortis

 

[Bill Williams]

Thank you, Williams. I am here to restore order, coherence and discipline to this wayward discussion and expect the PTB to maintain a respectful distance while I do so

"PTB"??

 

[Anode]

"PTB"??

Powers that be?

 

[Grinder]

Between those two calls with Amanda, there’s no evidence that Filomena had even managed to park the car and exit the car. Have you ever been to a fair and parked quickly? In my view, Filomena had just arrived at the fair when she had talked with Amanda both times.

Of course, that could depend upon your definition of "just" I suppose? (Here we go again!)


AGAIN, why is your nitpicking even relevant to what I had posted about the arrival times of the postal police and Filomena and her friends at the cottage shortly after 1:00 pm?

Filomena sprang into action after being told her window had been broken. That happened 26 minutes after when you claimed.

Now you make wild claims about parking cars at fairs in Perugia. You just make stuff up. And no 26 minutes after arriving at the fair isn't "just" particularly when the call sequence debate is about a few minutes one way or the other.

"No evidence she had parked the car" - pffft!

 

[Ken Dine]

Filomena sprang into action after being told her window had been broken. That happened 26 minutes after when you claimed.

Now you make wild claims about parking cars at fairs in Perugia. You just make stuff up. And no 26 minutes after arriving at the fair isn't "just" particularly when the call sequence debate is about a few minutes one way or the other.

"No evidence she had parked the car" - pffft!

FROM THE OTHER RECENTLY CONCLUDED THREAD YOU ALSO HAD SPOUTED:

I think you just repeat stuff from PI discussion boards.

Don't we all learn things by reading from many sources?

You got the part of Amanda never living away from home completely wrong.

Living in a dorm room around the corner from mom's house (with her mom likely still doing her laundry on weekends), is not the same thing as moving to Italy and sharing an apartment with 3 other gals.

I've yet to see where Laura said Meredith was a bad housekeeper but I'm sure someone will come to the rescue.

One can only hope!

The black hairs found has not be substantiated as the link you give is from a power point in Italian during the trial and we rely of a summary by the PGP and even then it states that only a few were found of a large number collected.

The commentary on those 'Guilter' sites is heavily skewed towards guilt, but they generally do a fair job of translating Italian documents. At least, I don't recall much criticism in that regards?

When did they establish they were "Arican" hairs?

Apparently, Stefanoni's presentation stated they had found 5 short black hairs in Meredith's bedroom which were likely Guede's hairs.

Guede has short black kinky hair, as do most sub-Saharan African males (including Lumumba), so those 5 hairs obviously came from an African male's body, and they would thus be visually distinctive as such.

Before or after Rudi was discovered?

The police likely found those 5 distinctively African hairs in Meredith's bedroom early on, which is why the police focused in on Lumumba early on, because Lumumba was the only African man that the police knew Amanda had a relationship with.

Once the forensics came back clearing Lumumba, probably a few days after he was arrested, the police then announced they were looking for a 4th suspect, which according to the UK media was an African musician.

Of course, Lumumba was a musician and not Guede, so the UK media (champs that they were) were likely confusing some elements of Lumumba with Guede back then.

In any event, the police were obviously focused in on an African suspect early on in the case. So, how do you explain that FACT if the police DID NOT find any African hairs at the crime scene?

Your original assertion was that they were looking for a black from very early on because of the hairs.

I did say that!

I agree with the other poster that mentioned the woman reporting being bumped by the running black man. The fact that later she said it wasn't Rudi doesn't matter in terms of how the police took it at the time.

I don't agree with that witness. By Guede's own account, his pants were covered in blood. Why would Guede climb those steps which led to the center of town when he had visible blood on his pants?

Guede knew Perugia like the back of his hand, so Guede surely would have taken the secluded lower road to the garden where he chucked the phones.

Even if those witnesses saw a black man that night, their 10:30 pm time estimate can't be engraved in stone since witnesses often botch their time estimates. Moot point anyway since they said they didn't see Guede that night, right?

You had the calls wrong in such a way that if you were right Filomena's friends would have arrived around 12:45.

Only in your own mind!

 

[Dougm]

Don't we all learn things by reading from many sources?

Living in a dorm room around the corner from mom's house (with her mom likely still doing her laundry on weekends), is not the same thing as moving to Italy and sharing an apartment with 3 other gals.

Amanda had lived for a few weeks in Japan in 2003 as part of a student exchange program. So the idea that she had never lived away from home before is incorrect.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Amanda.html

 

[Grinder]

Living in a dorm room around the corner from mom's house (with her mom likely still doing her laundry on weekends), is not the same thing as moving to Italy and sharing an apartment with 3 other gals.

Ken you don't know what you are talking about. First of all West Seattle isn't around the corner from mom's house no matter how you define it. Secondly she wasn't living in a dorm on 12th N.E. when she threw a good-bye party in the rental house she had lived during that school year.

Don't forget your contention was the both girls had never lived away from home.

 

[bagels]

Amanda had lived for a few weeks in Japan in 2003 as part of a student exchange program. So the idea that she had never lived away from home before is incorrect.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Amanda.html

I always thought it was interesting that we never heard from her host family in Japan. I guess the Daily Mail couldn't entice them to talk about what a horrible experience they had with her.

 

[Grinder]

I don't agree with that witness. By Guede's own account, his pants were covered in blood. Why would Guede climb those steps which led to the center of town when he had visible blood on his pants?

Guede knew Perugia like the back of his hand, so Guede surely would have taken the secluded lower road to the garden where he chucked the phones.

Even if those witnesses saw a black man that night, their 10:30 pm time estimate can't be engraved in stone since witnesses often botch their time estimates. Moot point anyway since they said they didn't see Guede that night, right?

Let's go slow. You made a contention about black of African hairs being found as major reason the PLE were looking for a black. Now I don't agree that they were looking for a black and your own cites indicate that only a very few of a much larger number of hairs even appeared to be possible black hairs. Also your cite doesn't indicate when they even looked at the hairs.

I said that the woman reporting early on that she and her date were bumped into by a black man would have had a much bigger influence on the PLE than the alleged hairs.

Now of course they didn't say it wasn't Rudi until...he was caught because...they didn't know what he looked like when they came forward. It may well not have been Rudi, but you see, that doesn't matter at all. It doesn't matter because they told the police a black was running in the vicinity of the cottage at a time when the murder could have been committed.

No matter your theory of routes, or your belief in what Rudi looked like or anything else, a credible witness put a black there at the time. Conveniently a witness not in your favor become unreliable unlike those that give testimony months later that are in your favor, but she reported quickly IIRC AND the time was set by when they left the restaurant.

Witness says she saw a certain type running near the site and at a possible time, then police think maybe we should look for the same type.

 

[Grinder]

I always thought it was interesting that we never heard from her host family in Japan. I guess the Daily Mail couldn't entice them to talk about what a horrible experience they had with her.

I'm sure anything good would have been "lost in translation"

 

[Grinder]

Amanda had lived for a few weeks in Japan in 2003 as part of a student exchange program. So the idea that she had never lived away from home before is incorrect.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Amanda.html

I always thought it was interesting that we never heard from her host family in Japan. I guess the Daily Mail couldn't entice them to talk about what a horrible experience they had with her.

And she lived in the noise ticket house for 3 quarters - now that you mention it Bagels, it is shocking that no horrible hygiene stories didn't come from Japan.

 

[acbytesla]

FROM THE OTHER RECENTLY CONCLUDED THREAD YOU ALSO HAD SPOUTED:




Don't we all learn things by reading from many sources?




Living in a dorm room around the corner from mom's house (with her mom likely still doing her laundry on weekends), is not the same thing as moving to Italy and sharing an apartment with 3 other gals.




One can only hope!





The commentary on those 'Guilter' sites is heavily skewed towards guilt, but they generally do a fair job of translating Italian documents. At least, I don't recall much criticism in that regards?




Apparently, Stefanoni's presentation stated they had found 5 short black hairs in Meredith's bedroom which were likely Guede's hairs.

Guede has short black kinky hair, as do most sub-Saharan African males (including Lumumba), so those 5 hairs obviously came from an African male's body, and they would thus be visually distinctive as such.




The police likely found those 5 distinctively African hairs in Meredith's bedroom early on, which is why the police focused in on Lumumba early on, because Lumumba was the only African man that the police knew Amanda had a relationship with.

Once the forensics came back clearing Lumumba, probably a few days after he was arrested, the police then announced they were looking for a 4th suspect, which according to the UK media was an African musician.

Of course, Lumumba was a musician and not Guede, so the UK media (champs that they were) were likely confusing some elements of Lumumba with Guede back then.

In any event, the police were obviously focused in on an African suspect early on in the case. So, how do you explain that FACT if the police DID NOT find any African hairs at the crime scene?




I did say that!




I don't agree with that witness. By Guede's own account, his pants were covered in blood. Why would Guede climb those steps which led to the center of town when he had visible blood on his pants?

Guede knew Perugia like the back of his hand, so Guede surely would have taken the secluded lower road to the garden where he chucked the phones.

Even if those witnesses saw a black man that night, their 10:30 pm time estimate can't be engraved in stone since witnesses often botch their time estimates. Moot point anyway since they said they didn't see Guede that night, right?




Only in your own mind!

Grinder can and does drive us all crazy so I can appreciate your frustration. But the forum is much better with him demanding precision and accuracy. By the way,I don't think Amanda lived in a dorm. The party where she received the ticket was a house a few blocks away from the UW campus. It wasn't a dorm and normally I would say she could get into just as big a mess on the other side of Seattle as opposed to the other side of the Atlantic.

I'm sure Amanda still had a lot of growing to do but she still lived away from home before she went to italy. Concede that battle and move on.

 

[Annella]

Re Laura's comment on Meredith and 'bad housekeeping'.

From Mezzetti's testimony:

DOMANDA - E lei ha detto delle pulizie vi occupavate
generalmente voi.
RISPOSTA - Maggiormente sì, io e Filomena.
DOMANDA - Ha visto qualche volta Amanda e Meredith pulire, in
quale occasioni?
RISPOSTA - Sì, alcune volte si, raramente ma sì.

Mignini/ And you said you generally do the cleaning?

Mezzetti/ Mostly yes, Filomena and I.

Mignini/ Have you sometimes seen Amanda and Meredith clean, on what occasions?

Mezzetti/ Yes, sometimes, but rarely, yes.

 

[RWVBWL]

I'm sure anything good would have been "lost in translation"

This too

musta somehow got "lost in translation",
eh Grinda?

Them Italian Courts,
and you too,
still do not know,
err respect how Rudy spells his 1st name.
It's with a y, not an i...
My 2¢,

RW


By the way,
I, Randy Wright,
like to spell my 1st name with a y:
http://www.lasurfpix.exposuremanager.com/

I hope my English is coherent enough for you
so that you never spell my 1st name with an i,
like you with Rudy.

For if you do,
you might then come across another Wright,
Randi Wright.
She's gnarly + this link is NS4W:
http://www.babesandstars.com/r/randi-wright/

 

[Bill Williams]

Grinder can and does drive us all crazy so I can appreciate your frustration. But the forum is much better with him demanding precision and accuracy. By the way,I don't think Amanda lived in a dorm. The party where she received the ticket was a house a few blocks away from the UW campus. It wasn't a dorm and normally I would say she could get into just as big a mess on the other side of Seattle as opposed to the other side of the Atlantic.

I'm sure Amanda still had a lot of growing to do but she still lived away from home before she went to italy. Concede that battle and move on.

Agreed. I find the lad sometimes annoying***, but this forum is far, far better for his presence.

And - er, Grinder!

ETA - *** which may depend on your definition of "annoying"!

 

[Grinder]

Grinder can and does drive us all crazy so I can appreciate your frustration. But the forum is much better with him demanding precision and accuracy. By the way,I don't think Amanda lived in a dorm. The party where she received the ticket was a house a few blocks away from the UW campus. It wasn't a dorm and normally I would say she could get into just as big a mess on the other side of Seattle as opposed to the other side of the Atlantic.

I'm sure Amanda still had a lot of growing to do but she still lived away from home before she went to italy. Concede that battle and move on.

From a CNN article:

In college I finally found my footing off the field. I stayed in touch with Brett and met a small group of intelligent and offbeat students at the university's climbing wall and in my dorm. I dated a Mohawked, kilt-wearing, outdoorsy student named DJ. My next-door neighbor was a girl from Colorado named Madison. She and I grew close and looked up to each other. She wasn't like most of the students. She didn't play sports, drink, smoke, or go to parties. She was a conflicted Mormon and a musician, majoring in women's studies and photography. I kept her company at night in the campus dark room. She encouraged me to be myself.

There were early interviews I remember in which people that knew her allegedly said she became wild after leaving the dorm.

"She was - how can I put it - very friendly, outgoing and bubbly to all men she came into contact with," said Philip Setran, a medical student, who shared a dormitory with Amanda.
"She had what in polite terms you'd call a lot of close male friends."
Others were more blunt, calling her a "man-eater".
She moved in circles more traditionally associated with male students, hanging out with the local football team, climbing surrounding mountains with men and competing aggressively with other women who strayed into her social circle.
With such a lifestyle it was hardly surprising that she hated the strictures of dormitory living.
In 2006, she rented a house in Greek Row, an area traditionally home to football "jocks" and all-male fraternity houses, where she could also escape the alcohol rules of the university accommodation.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-498853/The-wild-raunchy-past-Foxy-Knoxy.html#ixzz3jsLm15jm
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

I believe the dorm part only because it's corroborated.

 

[Grinder]

Re Laura's comment on Meredith and 'bad housekeeping'.

From Mezzetti's testimony:



Mignini/ And you said you generally do the cleaning?

Mezzetti/ Mostly yes, Filomena and I.

Mignini/ Have you sometimes seen Amanda and Meredith clean, on what occasions?

Mezzetti/ Yes, sometimes, but rarely, yes.

This is supposed validate Laura criticizing Meredith's cleaning? Meredith is dead, murdered by Amanda and the Italian women are saintly clean people. Got it.

 

[acbytesla]

From a CNN article:

In college I finally found my footing off the field. I stayed in touch with Brett and met a small group of intelligent and offbeat students at the university's climbing wall and in my dorm. I dated a Mohawked, kilt-wearing, outdoorsy student named DJ. My next-door neighbor was a girl from Colorado named Madison. She and I grew close and looked up to each other. She wasn't like most of the students. She didn't play sports, drink, smoke, or go to parties. She was a conflicted Mormon and a musician, majoring in women's studies and photography. I kept her company at night in the campus dark room. She encouraged me to be myself.

There were early interviews I remember in which people that knew her allegedly said she became wild after leaving the dorm.

"She was - how can I put it - very friendly, outgoing and bubbly to all men she came into contact with," said Philip Setran, a medical student, who shared a dormitory with Amanda.
"She had what in polite terms you'd call a lot of close male friends."
Others were more blunt, calling her a "man-eater".
She moved in circles more traditionally associated with male students, hanging out with the local football team, climbing surrounding mountains with men and competing aggressively with other women who strayed into her social circle.
With such a lifestyle it was hardly surprising that she hated the strictures of dormitory living.
In 2006, she rented a house in Greek Row, an area traditionally home to football "jocks" and all-male fraternity houses, where she could also escape the alcohol rules of the university accommodation.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-498853/The-wild-raunchy-past-Foxy-Knoxy.html#ixzz3jsLm15jm
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

I believe the dorm part only because it's corroborated.

Well, these are both media articles and one being "the Daily Fail". But OK, she lived in a dorm for a while and then moved into a shared house.

FYI, I don't trust a word of the Daily Mail....not after I read their fabricated story about the noise ticket.

 

[Grinder]

And it turns out Meredith lived elsewhere - From Kercher's Meredith - I met with friends from schooldays, many of whom I already knew and with whom Meredith stayed friends after she left home to study at Leeds.

And Tesla I don't have faith in either DM but when part of it is corroborated then it adds something. I don't believe their spin. I remembered dorm stories from the Daily but didn't find them quickly. While the story about the ticket was totally exaggerated it was true she had received the ticket and the DM story was the first.

Btw - Google Philip Setran, and Amanda and you will see how these falsehoods gain status over time. This one is anti Knox but it goes both ways.

ETA - From her book - I stayed in touch with Brett and met a small group of intelligent and off-beat students at the unversity's climbing wall and in my dorm.

 

[RWVBWL]

Fairy Tales

If you mean me as your "specific somebody," not knowing that Laura had testified about instituting a work schedule enforced with fines, I made up the story out of whole cloth.

Can you imagine my surprise when my fairytale turned out to be true?

Hiya Ken Dine,
awhile back, I wondered of something,
this after spending many hours up all night, hiding in some bushes tryin' to catch a guy who was vandalizing my sister + her husbands trucks and poking holes in their tires with an ice pick. It's very quiet late at night...

What could or would ol' Nara have heard
if she really had heard a scream pierce the nights silence?

HELP!!!
or
AHHHH!!!

So I posted a question of this.
I had simply made up a fairy tale scenario
regarding what I mighta believed that Nara C. had heard.
I'd made it up, it was all in my mind, but I posted about it here.
Machiavelli had this to say about my musing:

I don't believe a sane person could ever write this post.

Ya know what Ken Dine?
It was soooo ****^^' funny to read on a Guiltard site
that old Nara had the same fairy tale musings as I did!!!

Have a read below, it's from The Massei Court.
it is kinda funny, for I'd never recall reading of this testimony
before I wrote a post that made Machiavelli
wonder of my sanity,
hahaha:

President GCM:
Excuse me, this prolonged (scream), can you describe it better?

NC:
Well, it wasn't like a scream for help, it didn't sound like “Help!”
no, it was a cry .. how can I describe it ... aaahhhh, a long scream.

Link:
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.c...timony_(English)#Nara_Capezzali.27s_Testimony


* * *

I wonder what Machiavelli thinks of old Nara C.'s sanity?

The bummer is that after my fairy tale was found to be true,
Machiavelli bailed the scene here + has not been back since.
I know you guys + dolls miss him.
Maybe he went to Gubbio?