Continuation Part 17: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[anglolawyer]

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Welcome back, Anglo. I'm taking bets on longevity!

Thank you, Williams. I am here to restore order, coherence and discipline to this wayward discussion and expect the PTB to maintain a respectful distance while I do so

 

[Grinder]

Thanks for the welcome, Grinder. Good to be back.

I get the bleach receipts* (cleaning) and the lamp* (same) but not the washing machine? What were they washing and if they were washing stuff why not wash the bleedin' bathmat with Raf's footprint splattered all over it. And with the spin cycle still thrumming away what the heck were they doing calling all and sundry to the scene? Only Vixen can explain. I'm all ears.

Come on Anglo. We all know that the kids were either brilliant (DNA of theirs only removed without leaving swirl marks and no blood of Meredith at Raf's or in his car and all their clothes, shoes and cleaning supplies disposed of) or they were dumb as a box of rocks (left blood drops, called F too early while still cleaning, started the washing machine but forgot to wash bathmat, didn't just go to Gubbio, stood in front of one of the sharpest men all night in the plaza, and ate pizza).

All that matters is that the machine proves they were there in the middle of the night cleaning. They became confused and thought they would be fined for not turning on the washing machine so fearing the loss of 5 Euro (that's important drug money) they fired up the machine.

 

[Grinder]

If you mean me as your "specific somebody," not knowing that Laura had testified about instituting a work schedule enforced with fines, I made up the story out of whole cloth.

Can you imagine my surprise when my fairytale turned out to be true?

I think you just repeat stuff from PI discussion boards. You got the part of Amanda never living away from home completely wrong. I've yet to see where Laura said Meredith was a bad housekeeper but I'm sure someone will come to the rescue.

The black hairs found has not be substantiated as the link you give is from a power point in Italian during the trial and we rely of a summary by the PGP and even then it states that only a few were found of a large number collected. When did they establish they were "Arican" hairs? Before or after Rudi was discovered? Your original assertion was that they were looking for a black from very early on because of the hairs. I agree with the other poster that mentioned the woman reporting being bumped by the running black man. The fact that later she said it wasn't Rudi doesn't matter in terms of how the police took it at the time.

You had the calls wrong in such a way that if you were right Filomena's friends would have arrived around 12:45.

 

[anglolawyer]

Come on Anglo. We all know that the kids were either brilliant (DNA of theirs only removed without leaving swirl marks and no blood of Meredith at Raf's or in his car and all their clothes, shoes and cleaning supplies disposed of) or they were dumb as a box of rocks (left blood drops, called F too early while still cleaning, started the washing machine but forgot to wash bathmat, didn't just go to Gubbio, stood in front of one of the sharpest men all night in the plaza, and ate pizza).

All that matters is that the machine proves they were there in the middle of the night cleaning. They became confused and thought they would be fined for not turning on the washing machine so fearing the loss of 5 Euro (that's important drug money) they fired up the machine.

I have actually thought of a theory that explain everything. Rudy may well have been a washing machine repair man, providing a 24/7 service, who was called to fix the damn thing by 'Mez' (yuk). That would explain both his presence and the indisputable but otherwise inexplicable fact that the machine was in perfect working order.

On your point, as Mach is not here to say it, I will do so for him. It doesn't actually matter whether one can make sense of the washing machine being warm, the point is they lied in failing to explain why it was. This is what also make's Curatolo's evidence decisive. He proves they lied because they did not admit to being in the square and it doesn't matter a jot whether his evidence is internally coherent or a total pack of lies even credible. This is Italian law as we have come to understand it here after prolonged and assiduous study.

 

[Ken Dine]

In response to Methos’ posting (which I agreed with), I had posted:

OK, I get it now, you were nit-picking me.

By all (most?) accounts Filomena arrived at the fair at 12:08 pm when she received Amanda's 1st call, and according to Filomena, she and her friend had arrived at the fair and they were in the process of parking their car when Amanda called about finding blood and concern about Meredith's locked door...

You have it wrong. If we went with your time line the boys would have arrived well before 1:05.

HUH? How could my timeline about Filomena’s exact whereabouts during those two calls affect Luca and Marco’s arrival time at the cottage?

Methos had posted a phonebill showing that Marco had phoned Luca at 12:45 to ask for a ride to the cottage:

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shows that Marco Zaroli called Luca Altieri from his landline phone (i.e. Marco was at home at that point) at 12:45:36...?

I then estimated that it took Luca 20 minutes to pick up Marco and then drive to the cottage, with an arrival time a few minutes after the Posta Police had arrived, which was shortly after 1:00 pm.

Methos' and my subsequent posting were both done to rebut ‘Guilter’ claims that Marco and Luca had arrived at the cottage around 12:45 (BEFORE Raffaele had called the police), which would have been impossible based upon Methos’ posted phone records.

The salient significance in pointing out your immense mistake is that Amanda didn't tell about the window until returning to the cottage and seeing it and telling in a second call and that's when F went into action.

My "immense mistake"? Are you serious?

So, by "LATER" you meant the difference between 12:08 and 12:34, the short time between those two calls?

In terms of the issue of when the calls were made and when the police arrived 26 minutes was almost a lifetime.

Between those two calls with Amanda, there’s no evidence that Filomena had even managed to park the car and exit the car. Have you ever been to a fair and parked quickly? In my view, Filomena had just arrived at the fair when she had talked with Amanda both times.

Of course, that could depend upon your definition of "just" I suppose? (Here we go again!)


AGAIN, why is your nitpicking even relevant to what I had posted about the arrival times of the postal police and Filomena and her friends at the cottage shortly after 1:00 pm?

 

[kmortis]

Due to its size, this thread has been closed. A continuation thread is here.

Posted By: kmortis