Continuation Part 15: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[carbonjam72]

Once again, the thread has grown lengthy, so this is a continuation from the previous thread, Part 14. As usual, the split point is arbitrary and participants are free to quote from the previous thread(s) into this one.
For further reference, see:
Part 13, Part 12, Part 11, Part 10, Part 9, Part 8, Part 7, Part 6, Part 5, Part 4, Part 3, Part 2, and Part 1.

Posted By: Agatha

CCTV camera 7 looks directly at the cottage gates and would have captured everything that happened on November 1, 2007. The images from it were made to disappear. Does anyone know where it's located?


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How long has this been around? Never saw that angle before. Were the defense teams aware of it, and asked for it?

 

[analemma]

"logic free posting" is a really good description.

 

[analemma]

the "wild sex" lingerie?

the "wild sex" lingerie with the hippopotamus on it?
The hippo was what inspired Raf to make what I thought was a very funny joke about "wild sex" that left them both laughing.

This is the type of lie about an innocent joke being twisted by pathological haters like Vixen and the Italian media and medieval Perugians and British tabloids that makes me shutter to think that people or organizations so cruel and hateful even exist.

 

[carbonjam72]

That is a capture from the Google StreetView camera, no? Not a CCTV camera. I didn't think there was a CCTV camera capturing the sort of scene you're showing.

There was a CCTV camera right at the end of Corso Garibaldi, which would have captured Knox/Sollecito going to and fro to between Sollecito's apartment and the cottage. IIRC, the official line is that this camera wasn't working properly on 1st/2nd November. If that camera had caught Knox and Sollecito walking down towards the cottage at any time between 9pm and 10.30pm on 1st November, this would be damning evidence against the pair. Likewise if the camera had captured Knox going to and from Quintavalle's store early the next morning. If, on the other hand, Knox and Sollecito had not actually left Sollecito's apartment between 8pm and the following morning, and Knox had not visited the store early the next morning, this CCTV camera would have been able to provide very powerful evidence (in the form of the absence of images of Knox/Sollecito at these times) to support their innocence. Shame the camera "wasn't working", huh.........

Raf wrote about this in his book, IIRC, there were two CCTV camera's that they requested the video from, one of which you've listed (I think), and another en route.

Raf wrote the request was made to the judge Richicardoiiii (??? - who can keep the names straight?), and when the request was denied by the judge, Raf wrote that he gave up hope that the court process was fair.

BUt the explanation Raf gave was that by the time the poilice did go to recover the footage, it had been 'recorded over'. The sense I got was the tape had been re-used.

I'm amazed every CCTV camera in town was not immediately quarantined. I'll bet there was plenty of video of Rudy making his way to and from the murder, and zero of Amanda and Raf ever leaving the apartment.

Concerning a Vix-atious poster of late, I said up front that's no ordinary guilter. They see themselves as "the devil", and delight in causing consternation. A very special type, IUAM. I've seen it before, and its bad news.

 

[carbonjam72]

the "wild sex" lingerie with the hippopotamus on it?
The hippo was what inspired Raf to make what I thought was a very funny joke about "wild sex" that left them both laughing.

This is the type of lie about an innocent joke being twisted by pathological haters like Vixen and the Italian media and medieval Perugians and British tabloids that makes me shutter to think that people or organizations so cruel and hateful even exist.

I thought that story was made up by the Bubbles store owner, who didn't speak the English language in which Amanda and Raf were conversing, and which he claims to have overheard?

Raf's father I believe, as a result, sued the store owner for slander (?) - Defamation? Libel? W(E)TF.

Mach, calling all Machs - Italian law expertise pretense is needed...

 

[analemma]

I thought that story was made up by the Bubbles store owner, who didn't speak the English language in which Amanda and Raf were conversing, and which he claims to have overheard?

Raf's father I believe, as a result, sued the store owner for slander (?) - Defamation? Libel? W(E)TF.

Mach, calling all Machs - Italian law expertise pretense is needed...

I am pretty sure that Amanda mentioned the Hippo underpants in the Dianne Sawyer interview, I seem to remember Raf saying somewhere(not sure where) about the wild sex in response, and I saw a picture of them laughing somewhere.
As I said, this is a case of the haters and BS artists turning an innocent situation into a piece of "evidence for the Italian Courts" to justify burning the American witch. I really think that Amanda became the American that the Italians wanted to witchify.

 

[anglolawyer]

Davefoc

That was a stunningly brilliant (if otiose ) review! And yes, it was Florence Nightingale the author had in mind.

 

[carbonjam72]

witchify, a national sport?

I am pretty sure that Amanda mentioned the Hippo underpants in the Dianne Sawyer interview, I seem to remember Raf saying somewhere(not sure where) about the wild sex in response, and I saw a picture of them laughing somewhere.
As I said, this is a case of the haters and BS artists turning an innocent situation into a piece of "evidence for the Italian Courts" to justify burning the American witch. I really think that Amanda became the American that the Italians wanted to witchify.

I agree with your description in the big picture regarding the Italian national sport of 'witchifying', but I hadn't heard this version of the 'wild sex' story before.

I'll bet if you review the Dianne Sawyer interview, the cow underpants are mentioned and Amanda thought it was a joke, but I don't recall Raf's comment about "wild sex".

The point I tried to make, is that the comment about "wild sex" came from the shopkeeper who claimed to have heard it. But the shopkeeper only spoke Italian, and Amanda and Rad were conversing only in English. So the "wild sex" story, coming from the shopkeeper, isn't true, its just the invention of the shopkeeper, who was in fact sued by Raf's father for making that claim.

But I'm in agreement that this idiotic meme is of a piece.

I'm waiting for Mignini's comeuppance.

 

[MichaelB]

Re the CCTV, I'm trying to find out. Someone is sending me the images of Filomena and Marco arriving on November 1 so we'll see exactly what the camera shows. You can't see Amanda arrive on November 2 because of the sun.

 

[Kauffer]

the "wild sex" lingerie with the hippopotamus on it?
The hippo was what inspired Raf to make what I thought was a very funny joke about "wild sex" that left them both laughing.

This is the type of lie about an innocent joke being twisted by pathological haters like Vixen and the Italian media and medieval Perugians and British tabloids that makes me shutter to think that people or organizations so cruel and hateful even exist.

Good grief! I thought it was a cow! This changes everything!

 

[Vixen]

Re the claim Luca mimed Mez having her throat cut. I would be interested to know how he mimed, "Mez [insert foulmouthed word] bled to death".

How dare the "dingbats" take offence, eh. Amanda can't help being the Ugly American :/.

Dan O. seems obsessed with the pillow stain. The theory amongst posters here is that it belongs to Rudy. However, it could equally belong to other perps at the scene.

IMV it almost certainly belonged to the perp who cut the bra with a sharp knife. Possibly a Roman Catholic with a mortal fear of sex before marriage. We know the other two perps were male and female, from their footprints, whom we can deduce were naked, from the stain on the bath mat and were probably having sex in front of their dying victim.

 

[Vixen]

the "wild sex" lingerie with the hippopotamus on it?
The hippo was what inspired Raf to make what I thought was a very funny joke about "wild sex" that left them both laughing.

This is the type of lie about an innocent joke being twisted by pathological haters like Vixen and the Italian media and medieval Perugians and British tabloids that makes me shutter to think that people or organizations so cruel and hateful even exist.

You don't get irony, do you? The comment was tongue in cheek, but never mind.

 

[Kauffer]

Re the claim Luca mimed Mez having her throat cut. I would be interested to know how he mimed, "Mez [insert foulmouthed word] bled to death".

How dare the "dingbats" take offence, eh. Amanda can't help being the Ugly American :/.

Dan O. seems obsessed with the pillow stain. The theory amongst posters here is that it belongs to Rudy. However, it could equally belong to other perps at the scene.

IMV it almost certainly belonged to the perp who cut the bra with a sharp knife. Possibly a Roman Catholic with a mortal fear of sex before marriage. We know the other two perps were male and female, from their footprints, whom we can deduce were naked, from the stain on the bath mat and were probably having sex in front of their dying victim.

1) It was torn not cut
2) There are no footprints in the room, only shoe prints belonging to Guede
3) There is no evidence of this activity taking place and no transfer evidence

 

[anglolawyer]

Re the claim Luca mimed Mez having her throat cut. I would be interested to know how he mimed, "Mez [insert foulmouthed word] bled to death".

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You must be referencing the stupid Amanda here. The one who committed the murder and then blurts out information only the murderer could know. How careless! Raf must have been beside himself over getting mixed up with such a stupid moron. Didn't she also say they found the body in the closet? That must have been brilliant Amanda, diverting suspicion by seeming not to know how things went down.

Or maybe she just thought bleeding to death is what happens when you get your throat cut.

 

[Vixen]

I am pretty sure that Amanda mentioned the Hippo underpants in the Dianne Sawyer interview, I seem to remember Raf saying somewhere(not sure where) about the wild sex in response, and I saw a picture of them laughing somewhere.
As I said, this is a case of the haters and BS artists turning an innocent situation into a piece of "evidence for the Italian Courts" to justify burning the American witch. I really think that Amanda became the American that the Italians wanted to witchify.

I doubt it. IMV it is on the contrary; my impression is that people blindly "support" Amanda because she is American, whatever the evidence is.

They see themselves as saving the damsel in distress, when this case is about a very serious and heinous crime and nationality should be irrelevant in bringing the perpetrator/s to justice.

The idea of "let's blame it all on the Black man" as the American "supporters" seem to do, is repugnant to most Europeans. Your claim that Europeans have been on a witchhunt against "the American" is untrue and unfair.

 

[Kauffer]

I doubt it. IMV it is on the contrary; my impression is that people blindly "support" Amanda because she is American,whatever the evidence is.
They see themselves as saving the damsel in distress, when this case is about a very serious and heinous crime and nationality should be irrelevant in bringing the perpetrator/s to justice.

The idea of "let's blame it all on the Black man" as the American "supporters" seem to do, is repugnant to most Europeans. Your claim that Europeans have been on a witchhunt against "the American" is untrue and unfair.

What evidence?

 

[Vixen]

You must be referencing the stupid Amanda here. The one who committed the murder and then blurts out information only the murderer could know. How careless! Raf must have been beside himself over getting mixed up with such a stupid moron. Didn't she also say they found the body in the closet? That must have been brilliant Amanda, diverting suspicion by seeming not to know how things went down.

Or maybe she just thought bleeding to death is what happens when you get your throat cut.

I do not believe for a minute a policeman informed Amanda of all the details of the murder victim that enabled her to tell Mez' friends in vile graphic details how she had died, adding "I could [insert foulmouthed word] kill for a pizza!"

 

[Kauffer]

I do not believe for a minute a policeman informed Amanda of all the details of the murder victim that enabled her to tell Mez' friends in vile graphic details how she had died, adding "I could [insert foulmouthed word] kill for a pizza!"

What knowledge, specifically, did Amanda have that she did not get from the chatter?

The two statements you reference Amanda making together, were not in fact made together. One was verbal, the other written, at different times.

 

[Vixen]

What knowledge, specifically, did Amanda have that she did not get from the chatter?

The two statements you reference Amanda making together, were not in fact made together. One was verbal, the other written, at different times.

That makes it all right, then.

Amanda said the body was found in the closet, and sure enough, someone had returned to the scene of the crime - not Rudy - to move the body across the floor towards the inbuilt wardrobe.

I expect the plan had been to hide it in there from this repositioning.

 

[Vixen]

What evidence?

The evidence as discovered by the Italian police and their forensic team.