Continuation - NSA Document Flight 93 intercepted coming soon

[Cuddles]

This thread has now become rather long, so to help the forum database I have closed it. Please continue the discussion here.

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[The Big Dog]

Hi, as many of you know, I have sent a follow up FOIA to the NSA seeking a copy of what ever documents that are responsive to the original FOIA.

The last status is that the NSA has sent copies of the responsive documents to other agencies that have an "ownership" stakes in the documents (their phrase, not mine). They would not tell me what agencies or departments. I do not expect anything for some weeks from now. I will follow up in June, and update this thread.

There are documents responsive to the FOIA, but what they say remains to be seen, of course.

I will post copies of the responsive documents in this thread after they are received.

 

[T.A.M.]

Ultima1:

You want to prove to us what you say is true, here is what you have to do.

1. Provide a copy of your NSA id, or some other form of DEFINITIVE proof, that will show beyond a doubt you are an NSA analyst. To date you have not done this.

2. Provide us with a copy of the CRITIC and flight 93 follow up reports. To date, you have not done this. While given the wording of your FOIA request, I suspect you will get nothing close to what you think you are going to get, If I turn out to be wrong, i would love to see this earth shattering document.

That is all.

TAM

 

[ULTIMA1]

Ultima1:

1. Provide a copy of your NSA id, or some other form of DEFINITIVE proof, that will show beyond a doubt you are an NSA analyst. To date you have not done this.

Sorry but you have already proven that you will not accept anything i post. I will not waste my time.

2. Provide us with a copy of the CRITIC and flight 93 follow up reports. To date, you have not done this. While given the wording of your FOIA request, I suspect you will get nothing close to what you think you are going to get, If I turn out to be wrong, i would love to see this earth shattering document.

As you can see from the post above the document is being reviewed by other agencies for declassification.

 

[Gavron]

You have stated that you read the main document. Have you also read the followup documentation? You had stated earlier you did not....and was wondering if you have now.

If not, why?

 

[ULTIMA1]

Originally Posted by No Such Agency
But you posted wrong information that, if you worked where you say, would know it isnt even close to being true. Why don't you prove me wrong by telling us all what is untrue about this statement:

I started working for the agency under GSA in 1986. We statarted out with blue badges untill we got our TS/SI clearence and then recieved Yellow badges, just like the information i posted states.

 

[Gavron]

Sorry but you have already proven that you will not accept anything i post. I will not waste my time.
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So, when you told the fellow forum member on the phone that you would post recent information to verify you still work for the NSA, {were you telling the truth}?

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[Calcas]

So, when you told the fellow forum member on the phone that you would post recent information to verify you still work for the NSA, {were you telling the truth}?

Thank you...I was going to call him on it as well.

Roger, last Thursday night you told me on the phone you would post it. Why are you refusing to do so now? Would you rather PM it to me?

 

[ULTIMA1]

So, when you told the fellow forum member on the phone that you would post recent information to verify you still work for the NSA, {were you telling the truth}?

Yes i was telling the truth, but i was testing to see if they would accept the information i had already posted. Since they did not i am not going to waste my time.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Thank you...I was going to call him on it as well.

And i asked you if you would admit to the information i posted. I tested you by posting information that would easly show who i am and who i work for but you refused to accept or to admit to it so i am not going to waste my time posting more information.

 

[T.A.M.]

Yes i was telling the truth, but i was testing to see if they would accept the information i had already posted. Since they did not i am not going to waste my time.

your dodge is noted, and hardly unexpected. We await your provision of said documents.

Until then, you have the list of what is expected from you.

TAM

 

[Gavron]

Yes i was telling the truth, but i was testing to see if they would accept the information i had already posted. Since they did not i am not going to waste my time.

In other words, you promised to post information, and now will not. You also promised to post the NSA document. How do we know that it also won't be a "waste of time" ?

 

[jaydeehess]

I guess I have to ask again;

U1, what are we supposedly afraid to discuss? The contents of a docuement that no one here has read yet? (well other than you and you will not, indeed can not without subverting the legal process, tell us what the exact wording of the docuement is)

 

[ULTIMA1]

your dodge is noted, and hardly unexpected.

Have you also noted all the dodges to accept and admit to overwhelming facts and evidence of who i am and where i work by most people on here?

 

[ULTIMA1]

In other words, you promised to post information, and now will not.

No i promised to post information if they would accept and admit to it. But since i have posted lots of infomration and they still will not accept or admit to it then i am wasting my time posting anything further.

You also promised to post the NSA document. How do we know that it also won't be a "waste of time" ?

Well if you would have read the post at the top of the page you would ahve seen that the document is being veiweed by several agencies to be declassified.

 

[Calcas]

No i promised to post information if they would accept and admit to it. But since i have posted lots of infomration and they still will not accept or admit to it then i am wasting my time posting anything further.

That's BS. Who are "they" anyway?

I talked with you one on one on the phone. Yes, you repeatedly brought up how you've posted some military records and a transcript of classes you supposedly took while employed at NSA. I did NOT dispute the authenticity of those documents.

Rather, I said that those particular documents do not, in any way, shape or form, prove that you're currently employed by the NSA as an analyst. And, you have never posted anything that shows you are.

I asked if you would be willing to post proof on this board and you said you would. Even a current pay stub or ID of some kind from the NSA would give you some credibility.

NOW you move the goalposts and say that we'll never believe you so why bother?

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[No Such Agency]

I started working for the agency under GSA in 1986. We statarted out with blue badges untill we got our TS/SI clearence and then recieved Yellow badges, just like the information i posted states.

So you're saying that what you posted is still the case today? What color badge did you wear to work today?

 

[beachnut]

"Flight 93 was shot down"

... This document will show that Flight 93 was intercepted by fighters and possibly shot down.

"Flight 93 was intercepted"

Does the NSA have these words in their message traffic! If they are good spies they do! But why were they spying on me an my brother?

The story starts early for me on 911, not so early for NYC.

Time to get up and commute to work 11 September 2001.
My wife and I commute to an AFB. She is the computer lady at the base grammar school. I was active duty, the deputy commander for operations in the USAF CAP liaison office pacific region. We would take back roads to the back gate of the AF base. We heard on TV (heard) that a plane had impacted the WTC. Thinking rain and clouds, bad weather and a lost plane; then we saw the impact and the BLUE sky. That looked wrong.

At the second impact I suspect UBL had bought planes and filled them with bombs; with no detailed information it will take time to figure out 911, but never imagined the BS would start before the end of the day.

As we crest the hill overlooking the valley with PAVE PAWS on our right we see the gate ahead is closed@! CRAP! We are 8 minutes from the turnoff and another 20 minutes to the next GATE!

We drive and find the next gate CLOSED! We are listen to the radio as 911 unfolds; the main gate is 10 more minutes away.

We approach to turn onto the main road to the GATE. We see a line of cars over a mile or two long!

I have had it, I can do my job from home and work on my papers; I turn around and start to drive home. My wife balks as I try to explain it looks like a two hour or more line and then another 30 minutes to work, she can come back and go to work when the line abates. She complains so I take the road to the same first gate closed but take a back way to the gate closer to her work; after another 20 minutes we find the gate open, but 1 mile line.

She gets out and walks to school; I watch her disappear over the hill.
My coworker calls me, from the line of cars ahead telling me about my wife walking, now with kids she accumulated as she passes parents stuck in line. ( I will drop off her books in 90 minutes and go to work 2 hours late. )

I sat a long time, engine off, looking around, imagining terrorist with silencers shooting the last car occupants and moving up the line; I need a gun so I can shoot myself in the foot and quell my over active imagination.

I did not mouth off about terrorists “used planes not cars” at the gate; the poor guys are working their butts off inspecting cars for bombs etc. I listen to 911 unfold on the radio and work on my papers; we are going to work on 911, there is nothing else I can do.

The work day goes on, my boss stuck in DC, my coworker stuck in WA, and I plot to fly and pick up my co-worker to save his work week. 911 unfolds for me on TV and radio; there was no stand-down message for the USAF or NORAD on my desk or in my message traffic; funny how lack of evidence is evidence; 911Truth lies will begin soon and remain evidence free forever.

We go home!

My brother calls and he tells me his friend told him someone said, “Flight 93 was shot down”. I never thought about the NSA eavesdropping on me but it looks like the CRITIC could be me and my brother on the phone; Not Dick Cheney in the basement.

My brother and I on an unsecure line were caught saying (he said it, I told him he was stupid! could u guess that; my brother receives the same top notch reply from me as I give 911Truth delusion believers; equal treatment under the …), “Flight 93 was shot down”, and I said, “no it wasn’t, where did you find that dirt dumb tripe?”.

My brother, not knowing the NSA can go though billions of bit of communication in seconds says the next super-thermite (not known to be at the time) statement, "Flight 93 was intercepted". I told him we was full of it; we talked about crap for endless minutes; talking Navy missiles, planes, AIM 9s, etc. etc. etc. … BS flowed deeper than the Mississippi.

The CRITIC will show by brother and I talking BS; "Flight 93 was intercepted", "flight 93 was shot down", and so much more BS I had to raise the flag and shine some light on his idiotic ideas which were hearsay and made up by his friends who have friends who said something stupid. How does some opinion of, “think 93 may have been shot down”, make it to, “it was shot down”, all with zero evidence. And when I looked at the crater in PA and see the evidence of a completely intact plane at impact.

My brother knows I am a pilot, he knows I have been in charge of aircraft accident investigations, he knows my training in aircraft accident investigation and my flying experience and he and I are both engineers with advanced degrees. I know my brother tells his friends I flew secret planes and did so many things that I never did. He loves to tell a story and I love to argue and shoot down his fantasies. He loves to BS.

There is no surprise for me; a CRITIC with "flight 93 was shot down", and "Flight 93 was intercepted". It is talk; something the NSA collects; means someone is talking BS.

It could be my brother’s words in the CRITIC; I heard them on the phone.
I hope they included the rebuttal from me, “what dolt told you that dirt dumb tripe”. It would make my day NSA!

 

[6degrees]

But the NSA wasn't tapping cell phones before 9-11

A nice try but the contents of the intercept are a little more robust than two dudes talking smack on a cell.

Ultima1 pm me I've got info that might be useful, and witnesses.

 

[Reheat]

But the NSA wasn't tapping cell phones before 9-11

A nice try but the contents of the intercept are a little more robust than two dudes talking smack on a cell.

Ultima1 pm me I've got info that might be useful, and witnesses.

And I'll bet $ 1 to a donut (sorry, Joey) that it was that little white plane that flew silently and beneath the telephone wires.

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