Continuation - NSA Document Flight 93 intercepted coming soon

6degrees said:
But the NSA wasn't tapping cell phones before 9-11 :D

A nice try but the contents of the intercept are a little more robust than two dudes talking smack on a cell.

Ultima1 pm me I've got info that might be useful, and witnesses.
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You are a smart one. The phone call happened after the 911 attacks; you were saying. Strike 1

It was a land line. Strike 2

Offering a pm to Ultima1 about witnesses and useful information! LOL STRIKE 3
 
No Such Agency said:
So you're saying that what you posted is still the case today? What color badge did you wear to work today?
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Did i say it was the case today? I stated thats what it was when i started.

I will be wating for you to admit that i stated the facts.
 
Please bear in mind this thread is supposed to be about NSA documents. It is not about Ultima1 or his job. If you want to discuss that, a thread in Community may be more appropriate, or simply taking it to PMs.
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HOLY THREAD NECROMANCY, BATMAN!

Just wanted to bump this thread to ask 16.5 (I assume Ultima is still suspended at the moment) if he's heard anything on the FOIA request. Any updates on the document(s)?
 
What role did NSA have post 911

We listen to the role the FBI, NIST, FAA etc played prior/post to 911 but read little about what role the NSA played or continued to play post 911. Can anyone enlighten me on this.

We dont see any FBI or CIA employees posting on the internet that they have some important news tp report etc. Is the NSA covered by an official secrets act?

Seems odd that an NSA employee can physically read an unclassified 'Critic' with his own eyes, yet can not state what he read and needs to file an FOIA for a 'declassified' version. Would an NSA agent be permitted to do this?
 
Jackanory said:
We listen to the role the FBI, NIST, FAA etc played prior/post to 911 but read little about what role the NSA played or continued to play post 911. Can anyone enlighten me on this.

We dont see any FBI or CIA employees posting on the internet that they have some important news tp report etc. Is the NSA covered by an official secrets act?

Seems odd that an NSA employee can physically read an unclassified 'Critic' with his own eyes, yet can not state what he read and needs to file an FOIA for a 'declassified' version. Would an NSA agent be permitted to do this?
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You can't talk about classified. If true, the CRITIC was classified and ULTIMA1 was talking about it and breaking the rules. You can't talk about or talk "around" classified.

I suspect the NSA recored all electronic messages (phone calls etc) after 911. This is why they have my brother and I in a CRITIC message saying 93 was shot down.

My brother was on the phone with me on 911. He said his friend told him a friend of his told him that "flight 93 was intercepted", "flight 93 was shot down". I can see the NSA now filling a DVD ROM with all the recorded instances of BS spewing conversations with, "flight 93 was intercepted", flight 93 was shot down". My brother and I can't be the only insensitive guys to be yakking about the events on the phone after 911. There had to be thousands if not millions of times people said these phrases.

ULTIMA1 will be getting a DVD filled with hearsay and cheap talk.

There will also be the phrase, "No Rob, no one shot down flight 93". Will that be in the message too?



Sabrina said:
HOLY THREAD NECROMANCY, BATMAN!

Just wanted to bump this thread to ask 16.5 (I assume Ultima is still suspended at the moment) if he's heard anything on the FOIA request. Any updates on the document(s)?
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Good question.
 
Jackanory said:
We listen to the role the FBI, NIST, FAA etc played prior/post to 911 but read little about what role the NSA played or continued to play post 911. Can anyone enlighten me on this.

We dont see any FBI or CIA employees posting on the internet that they have some important news tp report etc. Is the NSA covered by an official secrets act?

Seems odd that an NSA employee can physically read an unclassified 'Critic' with his own eyes, yet can not state what he read and needs to file an FOIA for a 'declassified' version. Would an NSA agent be permitted to do this?
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The short answer is no. Strictly speaking, an NSA agent shouldn't even really be saying that he/she WORKS for NSA, much less spouting off about how they read a "classified" document (Ultima has stated it was classified in previous posts, not unclassified, BTW) and it supports their theory about 9/11, because that inadvertantly discloses the contents of the document, more or less, which kind of negates the whole "classified" thing. That aside, NSA's role and mission, as I understand it, is to monitor and interpret foreign signals intelligence. I couldn't say one way or the other if NSA had intercepted any signals traffic, either via the internet or telephone lines, prior to 9/11 that would have pointed to the possibility of such an event; they have been fairly close-mouthed about what, if any, information they possessed then or possess now.

And by the way, all intelligence agencies will generally have their personnel sign some sort of non-disclosure agreement (usually an SF317, if I recall my form numbers correctly), so in a way they're all covered by an "official secrets act", although I know of no such act in specific. It's merely an agreement between the individual in question and the agency that hires them that they will not disclose classified information to persons that do not have the necessary clearance/need to know.

As for filing a FOIA request; anyone can file one, whether they're an NSA agent or not. 16.5, another poster on this forum, filed an identical FOIA request to Ultima's in an attempt to ensure that, if/when the document(s) are received, we see exactly what it says without bias. I just wanted to know if 16.5 had heard anything or not, since Ultima was suspended and we hadn't heard anything about this in a while.
 
Sabrina said:
The short answer is no. Strictly speaking, an NSA agent shouldn't even really be saying that he/she WORKS for NSA, much less spouting off about how they read a "classified" document (Ultima has stated it was classified in previous posts, not unclassified, BTW) and it supports their theory about 9/11, because that inadvertantly discloses the contents of the document, more or less, which kind of negates the whole "classified" thing. That aside, NSA's role and mission, as I understand it, is to monitor and interpret foreign signals intelligence. I couldn't say one way or the other if NSA had intercepted any signals traffic, either via the internet or telephone lines, prior to 9/11 that would have pointed to the possibility of such an event; they have been fairly close-mouthed about what, if any, information they possessed then or possess now.
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Yes people should not be telling strangers what level of clearance they have, especially if they have one or more "SCI" compartments...

You gave a good description of what the NSA does....

The NSA is actually the United States "cryptologic organization" and has two main responsibilities...

1. Protect National Secutiry information systems
2. Collect and disseminate foreign signals intelligence

I think what we witnessed on 9/11 was a failure of several of the intelligence agencies (there are actually about 17) to communicate effectively with each other....a problem that persists to this day.


Sabrina said:
And by the way, all intelligence agencies will generally have their personnel sign some sort of non-disclosure agreement (usually an SF317, if I recall my form numbers correctly), so in a way they're all covered by an "official secrets act", although I know of no such act in specific. It's merely an agreement between the individual in question and the agency that hires them that they will not disclose classified information to persons that do not have the necessary clearance/need to know.
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I don't know if every intelligence agency uses the exact same NDA form....that might be something unique to each agency although it will basically be the same thing.

But there is paper work you have to sign when you get an 'S' clearance and there is more once you get a 'TS' and then more when you get an 'SCI' that is basically a type of an NDA.....informing you what your responsibilities are now that you hold that clearance level.

Sabrina said:
As for filing a FOIA request; anyone can file one, whether they're an NSA agent or not. 16.5, another poster on this forum, filed an identical FOIA request to Ultima's in an attempt to ensure that, if/when the document(s) are received, we see exactly what it says without bias. I just wanted to know if 16.5 had heard anything or not, since Ultima was suspended and we hadn't heard anything about this in a while.
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I am also curious to hear if 16.5 has heard anything back.....
 
Jackanory said:
We listen to the role the FBI, NIST, FAA etc played prior/post to 911 but read little about what role the NSA played or continued to play post 911. Can anyone enlighten me on this.

First, NSA was 1 of several intell agencies that warned the government that something was going to happen involving hijackings.

Second, if you did any research you would have found this document on nsa.gov.

NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY
CENTRAL SECURITY SERVICE

FORT GEORGE G. MEADE, MARYLAND 20755-6000

NSA PRESS RELEASE
24 July 2003
For further information contact:
NSA Public and Media Affairs, 301-688-6524

NSA Statement Regarding the Joint Intelligence Committee Report into the Terrorist Attack of September 11, 2001
NSA cooperated with the 9-11 Joint Inquiry Committee throughout its inquiry and shared an estimated 2800 individual documents with approximately 15,000 pages of information, as well as had over 200 meetings with JIC staff and members of Congress. We worked diligently with the JIC staff to release as much information as possible for the final report, while protecting only that which is necessary to preserve critical intelligence sources and methods that are used today in the global war on terrorism and other important national security activities.

NSA looks forward to working with Congress to address those issues that the JIC highlighted as areas needing improvement.


Seems odd that an NSA employee can physically read an unclassified 'Critic' with his own eyes, yet can not state what he read and needs to file an FOIA for a 'declassified' version. Would an NSA agent be permitted to do this?
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If you would ahve read my post you would have seen that the Critic is classified that is why i cannot state whtat is in the document and needed to get an declassified version to show online.
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"i am also curious to hear if 16.5 has heard anything back..... "

Not yet boyos, I'll call when i get back to civilization.
 
ultima1 said:
jackanory said:
we listen to the role the fbi, nist, faa etc played prior/post to 911 but read little about what role the nsa played or continued to play post 911. Can anyone enlighten me on this.
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Books by James Bamford. If you really worked for the NSA you'd know his name and might have already met him at a book reading on the NSA premises.
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ULTIMA1 said:
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If you would ahve read my post you would have seen that the Critic is classified that is why i cannot state whtat is in the document and needed to get an declassified version to show online.
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You have already openly stated what you say was written in this classified document!

Amongst the content of your collective internet posting history using Ultima1, you have clearly stated that you have personally handled and read a classified document that states that flight 93 was intercepted and shot down. That is what you have written!

Why are you now saying that you cannot state what is in the document?

You have also stated amongst the content of your internet posting history as Ultima1 that you have a TS security clearance. How long have you had this and are you subject to any secrecy act/provision whilst having it? Is your superior at NSA aware of your activity on the internet?
 
Jackanory said:
You have already openly stated what you say was written in this classified document!
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NO, i stated what is talked about on the internet about the document.


You have also stated amongst the content of your internet posting history as Ultima1 that you have a TS security clearance. How long have you had this and are you subject to any secrecy act/provision whilst having it?
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There is nothing wrong with stating secrurity clearence itself.

I have had this clearence for over 22 years.
 
ULTIMA1:
I have two questions if you don't mind.

1: Have you personally read the "critic" that you claim exists?

2: If yes, (if no I would have no more questions) why are you participating in the cover-up you claim to be trying to expose?( that's a mouthful)
 
ULTIMA1 said:
NO, i stated what is talked about on the internet about the document.




There is nothing wrong with stating secrurity clearence itself.

I have had this clearence for over 22 years.
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Roger, you have clearly stated that you read a classified document at the NSA that states that flight 93 was intercepted and shot down.

When questioned, you have also clearly denied in threads on this forum that Wayne Masden was not the actual source of your claims. We always believed he was but you clearly deny it.

Did you read a classified document at NSA that stated an intercept of 93 and shoot down?

or

Did you read an article from Wayne Masden on the internet that implied an interception and shoot down of 93?

Which one was it Roger?
 
DGM said:
ULTIMA1:
I have two questions if you don't mind.

1: Have you personally read the "critic" that you claim exists?

2: If yes, (if no I would have no more questions) why are you participating in the cover-up you claim to be trying to expose?( that's a mouthful)
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1. Yes i have.

2. You mean like cover ups that the government does on a daily basis?

I am not participating in anything,
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