Continuation - NSA Document Flight 93 intercepted coming soon

[aggle-rithm]

You know you're getting old when you notice somebody having to actually explain that PASCAL is a computer language, one that you used to know fairly well.

You're really old when you say, "It's what they used to call Delphi", then you have to explain what Delphi is.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

I resemble those remarks...

You know you're getting old when you notice somebody having to actually explain that PASCAL is a computer language, one that you used to know fairly well.

You're really old when you say, "It's what they used to call Delphi", then you have to explain what Delphi is.

 

[catsmate]

The date kept being pushed further away every couple of months until finally the whole project was scrapped and they started all over again. I later learned that the problem was that bureaucrats in TC kept adding things to the list of tasks that the system was going to have to do and the technology at the time meant that every time they added something the whole thing had to be re-engineered.

I've been there so, so many times...........
Some project managers just can't manage scope creep, they don't know when to tell the customer "no" (or "shut up" or indeed "eff off and die").

 

[Dave Rogers]

You're really old when you say, "It's what they used to call Delphi", then you have to explain what Delphi is.

Ah, Delphi. So many years since I was young and strong enough to make the trek across the arid sands to consult the Oracle there, and hear the very words of Apollo! Yet I would never describe myself as old; three thousand years, what is that? It is but a heartbeat to the gods.

Dave

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Ah, Delphi. So many years since I was young and strong enough to make the trek across the arid sands to consult the Oracle there, and hear the very words of Apollo! Yet I would never describe myself as old; three thousand years, what is that? It is but a heartbeat to the gods.

Dave

Sands?? The Temple of Apollo was in a mountainous, forested region you old fraud!!!

Boy... Cleopatra really pulled the wool over your eyes, didn't she?

 

[JimBenArm]

Sands?? The Temple of Apollo was in a mountainous, forested region you old fraud!!! [qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/123864877beae15535.gif[/qimg]

Boy... Cleopatra really pulled the wool over your eyes, didn't she?

Nah, it was me. I had the rights to a satellite temple in Cairo. I was the Temple Virgin, 5382 times.

Yes, I know I told you that you were the first. I wasn't a liar. You were the first to do that, after all.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Sands?? The Temple of Apollo was in a mountainous, forested region you old fraud!!!

I didn't tell you where I started from.

Dave

 

[Worm]

Bump.

Progress?

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

Bump.

Progress?

I guess in time for Duke Nukem Forever...

 

[The Big Dog]

Bump.

Progress?

Ziltch. When I last spoke to them, they told me they were still waiting for their referral to the other Agency.

 

[jaydeehess]

You know you're getting old when you notice somebody having to actually explain that PASCAL is a computer language, one that you used to know fairly well.

You should see the looks I get when I use my old Texas Instruments calculator from 1977 Its about 4 times the size of the average cell phone and weighs about as much too, takes 4 AA batteries and is not programmable. Though it does do all trig functions including hyperbolic and inverse using either radians or degrees, natural and base 10 logs, ect.

 

[jaydeehess]

I've been there so, so many times...........
Some project managers just can't manage scope creep, they don't know when to tell the customer "no" (or "shut up" or indeed "eff off and die").

I had a revelation about managerial staff while in Transport Canada.

The two of us newbies were taken upstairs to meet the airport manager. Nice guy and very gung ho about the agency. He took us to a small library and showed us the bookshelf with all the binders that 'explained' the workings of Transport Canada. It was 4 shelves high and about 6 feet wide, and full. He explained the acronyms on the binders and how to identify what the topic covered in them would be
for eg. C-PAY was Central region payroll department(and that was an easy one so I still remember it) There was actually a binder explaining all the dept acronyms.
He told our supervisor that we would be learning for a few days. Both of us were techs and neither of us were at all interested in slogging through such sleepy material but we did so for two days and he then asked if we now understood the agency. We very quickly answered in the affirmative so that we could get the h out of there. This guy however actually beamed when referring to this library, he LOVED buracracy and pencil pushing.

 

[fitzgibbon]

This guy however actually beamed when referring to this library, he LOVED buracracy and pencil pushing.

Probably thought "Brazil" was a documentary.

 

[Arus808]

You should see the looks I get when I use my old Texas Instruments calculator from 1977 Its about 4 times the size of the average cell phone and weighs about as much too, takes 4 AA batteries and is not programmable. Though it does do all trig functions including hyperbolic and inverse using either radians or degrees, natural and base 10 logs, ect.

do you still have yours? I still have mines (passed down from my father). that calculate is a god send.

Then I upgraded to a gaphing calculator when I hit pre-cal. TI-83. Awesome calculate, but I still have my older TI.

 

[Markus]

Hi all,

I've read a large portion of this thread and I understand (I think I do) what's going on here, but what don't know what it's for. If this ultima guy is right and the plane was intercepted, what does this mean?

Thanks and sorry if this is a really dumb question.

 

[beachnut]

Hi all,

I've read a large portion of this thread and I understand (I think I do) what's going on here, but what don't know what it's for. If this ultima guy is right and the plane was intercepted, what does this mean?

Thanks and sorry if this is a really dumb question.

He is not right, he has a delusion.

 

[Horatius]

Hi all,

I've read a large portion of this thread and I understand (I think I do) what's going on here, but what don't know what it's for. If this ultima guy is right and the plane was intercepted, what does this mean?

Thanks and sorry if this is a really dumb question.

It means the government is so Evil, they even lied about the one part of 9/11 they wouldn't have had to lie about. Just out of reflexive dishonesty, I suppose. Therefore, everything else the Truthers have ever said must automatically be correct. Q.E.D.


And yeah, it probably is just that stupid.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I've read a large portion of this thread and I understand (I think I do) what's going on here, but what don't know what it's for. If this ultima guy is right and the plane was intercepted, what does this mean?

Thanks and sorry if this is a really dumb question.

It isn't a dumb question at all; in fact, it goes to the heart of the problem of how conspiracist thinking is fundamentally broken. There was a post here a while back - and I'm sorry, but I forget who it was - that summed up the problem: while most people categorise facts into which hypothesis they support, conspiracy theorists categorise facts according to whether they agree or disagree with the conventional understanding of events. They then make the mistake of thinking that any facts disagreeing with this understanding are necessarily supportive of their conspiracy theory. A good example is that truthers see a minor disagreement between different analyses of the WTC collapses, some of which argue that the fires alone were sufficient to cause collapse while others argue that the impact damage was also a major factor, and claim that this debate is evidence that no combination of fire and impact damage could have caused the collapse. However, since they never state their beliefs this clearly, it takes a little time to tease out the fact that that's what they actually mean, by which time they've given the impression of having a valid argument.

The Flight 93 shoot-down theory is a fine example of this broken thinking. The official story is that Flight 93 was deliberately crashed by the hijackers to prevent the passengers gaining control, therefore anything that suggests any other possible interpretation is seized on by a conspiracy theorist as proof of their own conspiracy theory, even if it directly contradicts it.

Beyond that, it's probably best not to look for rational analysis from the truthers. A movement whose leader has claimed its lack of a coherent hypothesis as one of its greatest strengths is hardly the best place to find any coherent reasoning.

Dave

 

[aggle-rithm]

It isn't a dumb question at all; in fact, it goes to the heart of the problem of how conspiracist thinking is fundamentally broken. There was a post here a while back - and I'm sorry, but I forget who it was - that summed up the problem: while most people categorise facts into which hypothesis they support, conspiracy theorists categorise facts according to whether they agree or disagree with the conventional understanding of events. They then make the mistake of thinking that any facts disagreeing with this understanding are necessarily supportive of their conspiracy theory. A good example is that truthers see a minor disagreement between different analyses of the WTC collapses, some of which argue that the fires alone were sufficient to cause collapse while others argue that the impact damage was also a major factor, and claim that this debate is evidence that no combination of fire and impact damage could have caused the collapse. However, since they never state their beliefs this clearly, it takes a little time to tease out the fact that that's what they actually mean, by which time they've given the impression of having a valid argument.

The Flight 93 shoot-down theory is a fine example of this broken thinking. The official story is that Flight 93 was deliberately crashed by the hijackers to prevent the passengers gaining control, therefore anything that suggests any other possible interpretation is seized on by a conspiracy theorist as proof of their own conspiracy theory, even if it directly contradicts it.

Beyond that, it's probably best not to look for rational analysis from the truthers. A movement whose leader has claimed its lack of a coherent hypothesis as one of its greatest strengths is hardly the best place to find any coherent reasoning.

Dave

Indeed, and when truthers are asked to apply any sort of critical thinking to all the mutually exclusive hypotheses, they say that this is not their job. It is instead the job of some mythical independent investigative panel that has the full power of the government behind it yet is completely free of government oversight and can have people punished for treason in direct violation of the US Constitution.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

I actually expect Sasquatch to emerge from the ocean riding atop the great sunken city of Atlantis dispensing zero-point-energy batteries from his ass before this FOIA request returns anything.

Of course, the Truther mind will take this delay as indicative not of governmental inefficiency and security apparattus "red tape," but ironclad proof that Misner AKA Paul Blartt was on to something, and it makes the NWO nervous.