Continuation - NSA Document Flight 93 intercepted coming soon

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lulz. I actually laughed at that.
 
MikeW said:
They seem to think that the idea of Flight 77 crashing elsewhere is something new and confirmed? Not sure why, it's been public knowledge that local ATC suspected a crash initially for a very long time, and this is just a public record of that early mistake.
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I know. What I've learned over the years is, for all the criticising of the "official story" truthers engage in very few of them actually know what the official story is.
 
CYiNCE said:
I know. What I've learned over the years is, for all the criticising of the "official story" truthers engage in very few of them actually know what the official story is.
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Christ on a pogo stick, too many of them don't know what the truther side is supposed to be :boggled:! How many people have seen the "Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel" get transmorphed to "fires don't melt steel"?
 
ElMondoHummus said:
If they believe that FL77 crashed on the Ky/Oh border, then they're claiming that the radar, FDR, and all other pieces of data are faked. Not merely wrong, but openly faked. Yeah, good luck with that. Occam's Razor dictates that the person summarizing the information had simply compiled inaccurate reports that were made in the heat of the moment (and most likely done much earlier that afternoon). What time did NORAD stop getting reports of hijacked airliners again? The Vanity Fair article noted that "False reports of hijackings, and real responses, continue well into the afternoon, though civilian air-traffic controllers had managed to clear the skies of all commercial and private aircraft by just after 12 p.m.", meaning that they were still trying to straighten out the story well past the last crash. That's why After Action Reports exist: They're a chance to reflect and soberly consider the events outside of the stress of dealing with the events.
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Of COURSE the truthers don't recognize the contradiction here...if the government had planned the whole operation so carefully and executed it so flawlessly, then why would there be any confusion about which plane had crashed where?
 
Well, ULTIMA1 has now posted his "critic" at LCF, and got so excited, he posted it in more than one place there and got a warning for doing so, so he must be short-stroking it all over the web.
 
Björn Toulouse said:
Well, ULTIMA1 has now posted his "critic" at LCF, and got so excited, he posted it in more than one place there and got a warning for doing so, so he must be short-stroking it all over the web.
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The funny thing is he STILL has not posted it, and it has been up at 911 Myths for a week.
 
16.5 said:
The funny thing is he STILL has not posted it, and it has been up at 911 Myths for a week.
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My haste - I should have said posted news of his having received it as if he had just gotten it in the mail today. He only posted those little bits of truther bombshell he gleaned from it in the LCF post and has yet to post the entire thing like you did.
 
So when are they going to start investigating the alleged bombing of the Washington Monument that was reported in the first few hours of the attacks?

TAM:)
 
And he just completely ignores the fact that it doesn't actually say what he's always claimed it said, that being that specifically Flight 93 was intercepted, not some random unidentified jet.
 
Horatius said:
And he just completely ignores the fact that it doesn't actually say what he's always claimed it said, that being that specifically Flight 93 was intercepted, not some random unidentified jet.
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It fits completely with his MO, though, which was a sad pathetic nobody, craving importance and respect from others...anyone. He now has his 20 microseconds of fame amongst the truther ilk, and is basking in it. The claims he made are irrelevant to him at this point.

TAM:)
 
I've been badgering ultima1 at the David Icke forums about his document.

I asked him where the statement was in the declassified version that flight 93 was intercepted by two fighters. Here is what he said:
ultima1 said:
It does not state that in the declassified document, unfortunately.

Bt it does show resonable duubt in the official story which is still one point i was making.
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I then asked him if the original classified document he read stated that flight 93 was intercepted by two fighters. He said this:
ultima1 said:
How about i just say no to keep you from asking again and again.

Now how about answering my question,

Does the FOIA document show resoanable doubt in the official story, YES or NO?
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So it turns out that he lied about what the classified document actually said concerning flight 93 being intercepted. Can't say I'm surprised.
 
Gamolon said:
I've been badgering ultima1 at the David Icke forums about his document.

I asked him where the statement was in the declassified version that flight 93 was intercepted by two fighters. Here is what he said:



I then asked him if the original classified document he read stated that flight 93 was intercepted by two fighters. He said this:


So it turns out that he lied about what the classified document actually said concerning flight 93 being intercepted. Can't say I'm surprised.
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What is he claiming is showing reasonable doubt ?
 
Crazytimes said:
What is he claiming is showing reasonable doubt ?
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Gamolon said:
Not sure. I'm looking at that now.
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It's the same nonsense they've been spinning all along, with talk of bombs and explosives, and military planes instead of commercial jets - a few scattered and confused reports from the first minutes or hours after the attacks turn out to have been incorrect, and are thus inconsistent with the later, more accurate understandings of the day's events.

Their "reasonable doubt" is nothing more than an unreasonable refusal to discount information that has been shown, repeatedly, to be erroneous.
 
Horatius said:
It's the same nonsense they've been spinning all along, with talk of bombs and explosives, and military planes instead of commercial jets - a few scattered and confused reports from the first minutes or hours after the attacks turn out to have been incorrect, and are thus inconsistent with the later, more accurate understandings of the day's events.

Their "reasonable doubt" is nothing more than an unreasonable refusal to discount information that has been shown, repeatedly, to be erroneous.
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I often forget that "reasonable" and "truther" should never be in the same sentence.
 
Gamolon said:
I've been badgering ultima1 at the David Icke forums about his document.

I asked him where the statement was in the declassified version that flight 93 was intercepted by two fighters. Here is what he said:



I then asked him if the original classified document he read stated that flight 93 was intercepted by two fighters. He said this:


So it turns out that he lied about what the classified document actually said concerning flight 93 being intercepted. Can't say I'm surprised.
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I have a debate with him in another forum as well. So far, he's changed his tune. I've seen the document.

So far what it shows:
A. There was a lot of confusion that day as we all know. They speculated a lot of things including AA77 was shot down, but never confirmed it.

B. They were getting things from the media like everyone else. They seemed to have no more information on the day than anyone else did.


I can tell you what I know about the day. I was in USAF at the time in the 11th Wing. Our squadron was stationed at Bolling and the Pentagon.
We were told there was a fifth plane that was on it's way to DC and to prepare. Bolling AFB took precaution as well and evacuated a lot of personnel from DIA because it was thought to be a potential target. They went around to a lot of buildings on that base and taped trashbags up on the windows to black out everything. I was also there when the flew some of the USAF leadership by helicopter to Bolling AFB and they set up an operations center at the base MPF.

The point being, no one really know what was going on and a lot of speculation. There were a lot of people who didn't even know if personnel in their units were even dead or alive.

What the document doesn't show:
A. Flight 93 was intercepted or shot down.

He said it would but it doesn't.

Interestingly enough, the document he's saying that's his in other forums he told me his friend posted.
 
16.5 said:
Does anyone here heard from Ultima about whether he got anything yet?

I know he publishes on a bunch of other web sites, but damned if i can remember which ones.
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He still insists this is the smoking gun that will prove the government story is a lie. He insists it proves AA7 didn't hit the Pentagon and that "a" flight was intercepted although he's pretty much conceded the Flight 93 was intercepted deal.
 
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