Continuation - NSA Document Flight 93 intercepted coming soon

Wait, you mean the government actually DID something finally?

Will miracles never cease...
 
I was focusing on what was there last night. I was not focusing until this morning on what was not there.

It appears that the actual CRITIC is missing.

NSA withheld "information" they received from NORAD. NSA claims NORAD is not subject to FOIA so NORAD did not consent to release their information. Accordingly, NSA redacted NORAD information, including what I am assuming was the CRITIC.

This stuff is absolute dynamite, and the key to the inside jobby job! As such, I will likely shred it when I get into the office.

JUST KIDDING! I will scan and e-mail it after I redact some personal information.
 
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Considering the contents of most CRITICS are, as far as I know, extremely sensitive and usually classified, I'm not at all surprised it isn't included.
 
16.5 said:
I got the documents from NSA.

Flight 93 was NOT intercepted.

I will scan and post the documents tomorrow.

I typed out a fancy summary and you miscreants from the NWO caused my computer to eat the damn thing! Grrrrr! I can't type worth a damn.

The documents also contain ranke (hee hee!) hearsay relating to Flight 77 that is going to cause the misfits to go crazy. Well, more crazy, anyway. Buckle up it is going to be a short stupid ride.
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When did you submit the FOIA request?
 
I like how Truthers assume that Flight 93 was "shot down".

As for me:

1: I heard Flight 93 fly over my house.

2: I didn't hear another jet following it.

If the Truthers think I'm "lying", will any of them show up in front of the Johnstown Flood Museum in Johnstown, PA to debate that with me? I won't pay for their trip on an AMTRAK passenger train to get here!

The statistical likelihood that a Truther would show up is 0.0%. Since they're a bunch of cowards!
 
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Fans of FOIA might find this presentation interesting

Originally Posted by BigAl
When did you submit the FOIA request?
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DGM said:
October 2008
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This July I saw this presentation. It should be of special interest to anyone that's had a FOIA request denied whole or in part.

Rummaging in the Government’s Attic: Lessons Learned from More Than 1,000 Freedom of Information Act Requests

Phil Lapsley, Michael Ravnitzky

Phil and Michael will conduct a guided tour through GovernmentAttic.org, a website that has (legally!) obtained and published hundreds of interesting government documents obtained via the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). Based on extensive interviews with the site’s creators and through a half dozen examples they will describe some of the clever FOIA tools and techniques (hacks, in other words) that the site has employed to obtain informative, valuable, and sometimes even amusing documents and datasets from government agencies. They will also highlight similarities between the mindsets and approaches of hackers and successful FOIA requesters.
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The redactions are done and the e-mail was sent.

I have sent them to a friend of ours who has graciously offered to host them on his web site.

I have redacted them to remove personal information only. The redactions I did are amateurish and therefore obvious.

In all seriousness, if anyone sees Ultima1’s response, please let me know. If he intends to appeal, I will do likewise.
 
16.5 said:
I was focusing on what was there last night. I was not focusing until this morning on what was not there.

It appears that the actual CRITIC is missing.

NSA withheld "information" they received from NORAD. NSA claims NORAD is not subject to FOIA so NORAD did not consent to release their information. Accordingly, NSA redacted NORAD information, including what I am assuming was the CRITIC.

This stuff is absolute dynamite, and the key to the inside jobby job! As such, I will likely shred it when I get into the office.

JUST KIDDING! I will scan and e-mail it after I redact some personal information.
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NORAD is not exempt from FOIA requests. In fact they have their own office (website)

http://www.northcom.mil/FOIA.html
 
ElMondoHummus said:
  1. OMG... that ends up being 14 posts an hour :eye-poppi. And that's if you presume he didn't sleep for a day and spread that all across 24 total hours. 21 posts an hour is more reasonable (16 hours awake).
  2. I did 39 posts in a day once? Good God, I have to get a life!... :boggled:
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I figured if he posted, consistently, for 15 hours, thats 23 posts an hour...

...or 1 post every 2.6 minutes.


but even at the lowest possible end, which is 14.3 posts an hour for 24 hours, it still would be 1 post every 4.2 minutes.

Truly amazing. :eye-poppi
 
sabretooth47 said:
I figured if he posted, consistently, for 15 hours, thats 23 posts an hour...

...or 1 post every 2.6 minutes.


but even at the lowest possible end, which is 14.3 posts an hour for 24 hours, it still would be 1 post every 4.2 minutes.

Truly amazing. :eye-poppi
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You wouldn't be that amazed if you were here to read his posts. Most were cut and paste crap.
 
MikeW said:
Well, the documents are online.

The download page is at http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Image:NSA_FOIA.pdf , or you can directly link to it via http://www.911myths.com/images/d/d4/NSA_FOIA.pdf . (The first is probably better if you're reposting the link elsewhere as people can see what they're getting.)

Don't expect too much, though - as 16.5 was saying, there are a lot of blank "non-responsive" bits.
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Well, page 7 has some bits on the Pentagon that'll get truthers riled up!

And page 8 talks about a 767 from JFK being intercepted by two f-16s. Could that be what Ultima was going on about? This comes just after a paragraph discussing flight 93 crashing, so maybe he got confused. I know Ultima being confused is hard to believe, but it's just barely possible :)

But pages 9-12 really crack the case wide open! :D
 
CYiNCE said:
Thanks for putting in the time on this 16.5, and MikeW.

I posted this on reddit/r/conspiracy for discussion

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/dobac/new_documents_regarding_flight_93_released_via/

The mention of a fifth plane and the intercept seems to have them all hot and bothered.
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I called it!

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...ents_regarding_flight_93_released_via/c11or6x


http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...ents_regarding_flight_93_released_via/c11omci
 
CYiNCE said:
The mention of a fifth plane and the intercept seems to have them all hot and bothered.
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They seem to think that the idea of Flight 77 crashing elsewhere is something new and confirmed? Not sure why, it's been public knowledge that local ATC suspected a crash initially for a very long time, and this is just a public record of that early mistake.
 
Horatius said:
Well, page 7 has some bits on the Pentagon that'll get truthers riled up!
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Such as the mention that the aircraft which crashed into the Pentagon was not a "regular scheduled flight, and did *NOT* file a flight plan"? Yeah... I love how people can take some statement made in the immediate aftermath of the event (the time/date on that item was 4:21pm, Sept. 11) and conclude that it's somehow more accurate than the reflective, examined, deduced conclusion that took all the known facts of the day - many of which corrected items that at the time were thought to be true (e.g. Delta 1989) - into consideration.

If they believe that FL77 crashed on the Ky/Oh border, then they're claiming that the radar, FDR, and all other pieces of data are faked. Not merely wrong, but openly faked. Yeah, good luck with that. Occam's Razor dictates that the person summarizing the information had simply compiled inaccurate reports that were made in the heat of the moment (and most likely done much earlier that afternoon). What time did NORAD stop getting reports of hijacked airliners again? The Vanity Fair article noted that "False reports of hijackings, and real responses, continue well into the afternoon, though civilian air-traffic controllers had managed to clear the skies of all commercial and private aircraft by just after 12 p.m.", meaning that they were still trying to straighten out the story well past the last crash. That's why After Action Reports exist: They're a chance to reflect and soberly consider the events outside of the stress of dealing with the events.


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And page 8 talks about a 767 from JFK being intercepted by two f-16s. Could that be what Ultima was going on about? This comes just after a paragraph discussing flight 93 crashing, so maybe he got confused. I know Ultima being confused is hard to believe, but it's just barely possible :)
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Frankly, I'd rate it well above "barely possible". I'd go so far as to call it "creatively superficial reading mixed with willing gullability".

Horatius said:
But pages 9-12 really crack the case wide open! :D
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I know! I'm reading them eyes wide open and I can't put them down!! :eye-poppi

;)

CYiNCE said:
Thanks for putting in the time on this 16.5, and MikeW.

I posted this on reddit/r/conspiracy for discussion

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/dobac/new_documents_regarding_flight_93_released_via/

The mention of a fifth plane and the intercept seems to have them all hot and bothered.
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I need to go back and reread the Vanity Fair article as well as many of the original and only one-step removed sources for FAA-ATC/NORAD stuff that day. I wonder how many jets did end up getting tracked by fighters; remember, Delta 1989 did end up warranting it's own fighter after Boston Center reported them NORDO and Cleveland Center mistook a transmission from FL93 as one from Delta 1989. There had to have been more cases like that.

MikeW said:
They seem to think that the idea of Flight 77 crashing elsewhere is something new and confirmed? Not sure why, it's been public knowledge that local ATC suspected a crash initially for a very long time, and this is just a public record of that early mistake.
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Agreed. FL77 crashing elsewhere, FL93 landing in Cleveland, yadda yadda... things like that fell off the truther radar once stuff about demolitions and MIHOP regarding the towers became more "in vogue" than their NORAD woo. But the real facts behind those mistaken stories haven't changed.
 
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