Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[NoahFence]

Actually my problem is Americans accepting the word of pathological liars in the White House.

Sure they lie about things, but not everything. They didn't lie about 9/11 - we know this because millions of people bore witness to it. It wasn't some 11th hour back room wheeling and dealing.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Are you saying there were no planes?

There were planes with people on them and a thorough finger tip inspection as has been described on this forum, would have found something from the planes.

There should have been 2 flight recorders on each flight.

A thorough finger tip inspection as has been described, would have found at least fragments of one, nada.

The statement that a thorough finger tip inspection as has been described by this forum, is untenable.

This seems to me like a very long winded way of weaseling out of saying "yes."

Planes or no planes, short answer please?

 

[DeathDart]

Actually using interns in such a grisly environment would be cruel.

 

[DeathDart]

This seems to me like a very long winded way of weaseling out of saying "yes."

Planes or no planes, short answer please?

Planes

 

[DGM]

Planes

So why your urgency of finding the black boxes or parts? (you do know there are pictures of parts).

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Moving steel to get people out can be corrected for manually, during the end state data entry. Once the rescues are completed you freeze the scene.

I think you're misremembering the intense level of chaos and entropy of the scene.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Actually my problem is Americans accepting the word of pathological liars in the White House.

More than a few of us posting in this very thread have had very heated issues with the political parties we don't like and consider to be below contempt. It takes less than 30 seconds to have a peak in the politics section. I don't see what's that difficult to comprehend. Politicians may be pathological liars whenever they open their mouths but as far as terrorism or any other crime the standard of justice i the same; you need to prove their guilt of committing terrorism. You have not. The truth movement has not.

 

[sylvan8798]

One of the towers was hit in a corner of its structure. That's where the failure would have occurred, and that's where the upper structure would have leaned and fallen--NOT straight down through the path of most resistance.

Get a 9V battery, some wire, and a couple of resistors, say 200 Ohms and 400 Ohms. Set up a circuit with two wires acting in parallel. Insert the 200 Ohm resistor in the path of Wire 1 and the 400 Ohm resistor in the path of Wire 2. Hook up the battery. What will the current be in Wire 1 and in Wire 2?

bumping

 

[DeathDart]

Liars do not like to give recorded statements, especially video statements. The more they talk, the more likely they will slip up.

Evidence which they continue to hold (can you say leave behinds), shows the same liar reluctance. How much testimony do we have under oath? Can any of their assertions come back to legally haunt them as individuals?

Pakistan sends Atta $100,000 through the ISI. Bush stops looking for Osama Bin Laden.
The Pakistanis are at least supporting the Taliban.
We kill Bin Laden in Pakistan.
9-11 is where a lot of the paper trail begins on Bush.

 

[DeathDart]

I have to apologize.

You have been helpful in understanding the unusual nature of the buildings. And helpful in breaking down the mechanism of collapse.

To me, even with the skepticism you infected me with, it seems obvious that the investigation was a sham. But what would they, or could they find?

The damning evidence may never have been at WTC. That would have been too easy.

 

[uke2se]

10's of millions of dollars, and a lot of time. archaeology interns work cheap.

Why should archaeology interns work cleaning up after 911? Shouldn't they do archaeology? You have a problem with this. Next time something like this happens, I expect you to be the first one to volunteer your services in the clean up.

Actually my problem is Americans accepting the word of pathological liars in the White House.

So, even when they are telling the truth we should lie and call them liars? What does that do for us?

From events triggered at WTC 0n 9-11 a whole lotta things got screwed up. Maybe this is just a case of White House pathology that they compulsively destroyed non-existent evidence. But this was an assembly line evidence destroying project, even if there was no evidence.

Who destroyed what evidence?

Put a FOIA in to NIST for clarification, now they might respond that they thought it was just political window dressing. W is going down.

You put a FOIA in to NIST. W isn't in power any more, I'm happy to tell you. There's another dude in the White House now, from another party. I guess he's in on it too, right?

 

[Clayton Moore]

Once the core peals back (uniformly) it will only stop when, or if, the shearing force converts back to tensile. This can be when the core material is too thick to bend anymore. The central core had wall thicknesses of ¼ inch at the top and 3 inches at the bottom.

Another variable is the uniformity of the collapsing front. The material following the front might start shifting to one side and the total collapse will become a partial collapse. The collapsing front speeds up along the weak side of the core. The center of the collapsing rubble pile moves to one side and a portion of the structure might remain.

Uniform, The key to the collapse of the three WTC collapses is the uniform result.

Damage is NEVER FREAKING uniform.

 

[uke2se]

Uniform, The key to the collapse of the three WTC collapses is the uniform result.

Damage is NEVER FREAKING uniform.

Uniform as in... how? That they all fell to the ground? You realize that a photo of one of the towers tilting over has been posted already, don't you?

 

[Sam.I.Am]

Uniform, The key to the collapse of the three WTC collapses is the uniform result.

Damage is NEVER FREAKING uniform.

Uniform? The only way that you can call any of the collapses "Uniform" is if you only use the grossest measurements possible. Beyond that they were anything but uniform.

 

[tempesta29]

What's bollocks is your assertion that the upper section "should have" decelerated. As it was FALLING, it experiences a constant acceleration straight down of g (-9.8 ms^-2). However, observed acceleration was only 2/3 of that, which means that there WAS a resisting force pointing up, that added a deceleration of about 3.3 ms^-2. And guess what: That computes to the expected average acceleration one would expect from the average strength of buckling columns, as they meet dynamic impact of mass m.
It also computes nicely when you consider available energy from gravity versus needed energy to deform structure for total destruction. The math has been done and published in real science magazines and shown to match observations.

You are thus demonstrably WRONG.

No, I'm not. Deceleration in this case means a decrease in the rate of acceleration of the falling mass. Resistance to this falling mass would have increased because below the damaged crash zone was unscathed structure. The undamaged structure would have offered significantly more resistance than the crash zone and therefore would have slowed the rate of acceleration of the falling mass, however what is observed is a constant rate of acceleration.

Deceleration in this case DOES NOT mean a decrease in velocity. That should have been quite clear to you had you read thoroughly.

 

[leftysergeant]

Damage is NEVER FREAKING uniform.

Nor was it in this case. Take that back to the latrine where you got it.

 

[leftysergeant]

No, I'm not. Deceleration in this case means a decrease in the rate of acceleration of the falling mass. Resistance to this falling mass would have increased because below the damaged crash zone was unscathed structure. The undamaged structure would have offered significantly more resistance than the crash zone and therefore would have slowed the rate of acceleration of the falling mass, however what is observed is a constant rate of acceleration.

But it was less than g. You have no point.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Do you have a source that actually says this? To date the best I get is he will eventually break even.

Is that a joke?

It's amazing. The gall and audacity of the nonsense that the 9/11 hoax believers lay out.

Even worse, they hide neath the skirt of national pride.

 

[leftysergeant]

Is that a joke?

It's amazing. The gall and audacity of the nonsense that the 9/11 hoax believers lay out.

Even worse, they hide neath the skirt of national pride.

And this is somehow worse than accepting as gospel the words of a bunch of white nationalists out to destroy government by eroding public confidence?

 

[tempesta29]

Was the one with the corner damage this one?

Wow. That's curious. It's tilting.

Hmm... interesting.

It's not really that curious at all, especially since that tower didn't tilt toward its damaged corner. Regardless, it isn't falling in that direction. It's still falling straight down through the lower structure. It's really only rotating through its collapse path, not toppling.