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And JohnG, what's with the strawman in your original post, that I believe nothing the corporate media tells me? It's all your post was based on, so please clarify.
 
beachnut said:
19 murderers did 911, and your post is most disrespectful as you carry on like a Tim McVeigh CTer, with no evidence, just hate.

Thousands of dead and you make up lies about 911 based on ignorance.
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The 1/4 inch body parts were crushed then ejected?
 
dafydd said:
How did they pull it off? Tell us. Put a stop to the "argument".
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Let's see. Cheney was running war games that very day on 9/11.

Cheney watched the approach of what hit the Pentagon in the presence of the Secretary of Transportation.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Chen...&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1DVFC_en___US329

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/groundzero/prisonplanet_longdebunked.htm

The release also mentions that the TRIPOD exercise is supported by "The Office of Justice Programs, through the Office for Domestic Preparedness". The Office for Domestic Preparedness was the effort assigned to Dick Cheney by George W. Bush on May 8, 2001. Although reports indicate that Cheney never convened any meetings of this Task Force prior to September 2001, it seems that there must have been some sort of planning involved with the organization and scheduling of Operation TRIPOD for September 12, 2001. With all of the unpleasant news of 9/11, it must have pleased Cheney that the scheduling of this drill made the pre-assembled emergency team immediately available to New York City. Who would have thought?

Major questions exist as to why FEMA would deny being in New York City prior to 9/11 without mentioning the 9/12 bioterror drill. These questions must now be addressed as the initial suspicions of those who learned of the Tom Kenney statement have been clearly validated. The coincidental presence of a large FEMA team in NYC at the location, Pier 92, which became the Command Center for the entire emergency operation is disturbing. An alert press and a legitimate 9-11 Commission should have raised this issue long ago.
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Childlike Empress said:
And JohnG, what's with the strawman in your original post, that I believe nothing the corporate media tells me? It's all your post was based on, so please clarify.
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My post was motivated by being fed up with the tired strawman trotted out time and time again by CTists in general and believers in the various 9/11 MIHOP/LIHOP scenarios in particular. The dripping with sarcasm "yeah right sheeple, the government and the press neeeeever lies to us:rolleyes:" strawman. Your post exemplified that perfectly, except it's now apparently "tongue in cheek". Do I think you literally don't believe anything the government or "corporate media" tell you, whether it's accurate reporting on the Iraq war or the score of last night's ball game? Of course not. That would be a laughable reductio ad adsurdum. Do I believe you are much, much further down on the "believe nothing the man says" end of the spectrum than your average debunker is on the "believe everything the man says" end? Absolutely.

The unswerving belief of most Truthers that everything bad that happens in this world (from Tsunamis to the flat tire they got last week) is the handiwork of some omnipotent cabal of rich, doughy, middle aged white men would be almost poignant if it wasn't for the fact that said belief leads to false accusations of imaginary crimes perpetrated by real people. No good can come of that, even if those very same people actually are guilty of other crimes.

My opinion of Bush and his cronies is quite low, I can assure you. I don't need to also believe that they ate babies during satanic masses and tortured kittens with death rays to reinforce that already low opinion.
 
JohnG said:
My post was motivated by being fed up with the tired strawman trotted out time and time again by CTists in general and believers in the various 9/11 MIHOP/LIHOP scenarios in particular. The dripping with sarcasm "yeah right sheeple, the government and the press neeeeever lies to us:rolleyes:" strawman. Your post exemplified that perfectly, except it's now apparently "tongue in cheek". Do I think you literally don't believe anything the government or "corporate media" tell you, whether it's accurate reporting on the Iraq war or the score of last night's ball game? Of course not. That would be a laughable reductio ad adsurdum. Do I believe you are much, much further down on the "believe nothing the man says" end of the spectrum than your average debunker is on the "believe everything the man says" end? Absolutely.

The unswerving belief of most Truthers that everything bad that happens in this world (from Tsunamis to the flat tire they got last week) is the handiwork of some omnipotent cabal of rich, doughy, middle aged white men would be almost poignant if it wasn't for the fact that said belief leads to false accusations of imaginary crimes perpetrated by real people. No good can come of that, even if those very same people actually are guilty of other crimes.

My opinion of Bush and his cronies is quite low, I can assure you. I don't need to also believe that they ate babies during satanic masses and tortured kittens with death rays to reinforce that already low opinion.
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So what are the super rich up to these days if they aren't manipulating governments to their advantage and starting wars? Video games?
 
Clayton Moore said:
I saw 3 dead buildings, with no dead bodies, and I ruled out suicide.
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As did everyone. Did you miss the bit about the jet planes and the fires? Well, obviously you did, since you seem to think you have a complete explanation of 9/11 that doesn't even mention them.

Clayton Moore said:
The rest is legwork.
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Which, as you've previously admitted, you couldn't be bothered to do.

Clayton Moore said:
I saw all the 9/11 history required when I saw the videos of the three "collapses."
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Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
As did everyone. Did you miss the bit about the jet planes and the fires? Well, obviously you did, since you seem to think you have a complete explanation of 9/11 that doesn't even mention them.



Which, as you've previously admitted, you couldn't be bothered to do.



Dave
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You believe the buildings destroyed themselves. Gravity collapse = suicide.

I don't.
 
Clayton Moore said:
You believe the buildings destroyed themselves.
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I love it when conspiracy theorists tell me what I believe. It's almost as if they're trying to prove that they're lying.

Clayton Moore said:
Gravity collapse = suicide.
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If you ever shoot anyone, will it be your defense that they fell over due to gravity and therefore they committed suicide?

Your grasp of causality seems more than a little tenuous.

Dave
 
Rumsfeld and Cheney were definitely involved, claims CE.

So, what did they do? Did they just stand around "involving" or can CE name the actual actions they took? You know, verbs?

The ongoing attempt to narrate history (even kooky revisionist history) without verbs is amusing. The history books I've read are filled with active verbs, things people and groups actually did. General Gage ordered; Regulars marched; Dawes, Prescott, Revere, and dozens of others rode and warned; Minutemen mobilized; Regulars and militia fired.

But it's not just fussy old history books that use verbs. News articles are filled with them. Indictments absolutely require them.

"Bullet Wounds Occur; Militia, Regulars Involved" doesn't really cut it as a headline, does it?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Yeah, what exactly were they doing on 9/11, Myriad? Here's Peter Dale Scott on the topic:

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I AGREE
 
Childlike Empress said:
Comes down to the irreducible delusion, they messed up but it wasn't intentional. They really care about us and wouldn't do something like this to us. In reality, they don't care.
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Unsupported assertion. Hanlon's Razor says that people are more likely to be stupid than malicious. Looking at my own experiences, I'm inclined to believe it. For example, most Truthers are intellectually dishonest, but they probably aren't even aware they're doing it.

They pulled it off well enough for us to argue about it nearly a decade later.
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Well enough to fool most of the world's scientists, well enough to remain largely undiscovered against nigh-impossible odds, yet not well enough to fool random people on the Internet looking at YouTube videos.

Once again, a Conspiracy Theory requires Schrodinger's Competency. They are simultaneously highly competent, and completely transparent. The only way most Truthers can resolve this dichotomy is by declaring everyone with a different opinion to be some kind of idiot or shill.
 
Myriad said:
Rumsfeld and Cheney were definitely involved, claims CE.

So, what did they do? Did they just stand around "involving" or can CE name the actual actions they took? You know, verbs?

The ongoing attempt to narrate history (even kooky revisionist history) without verbs is amusing. The history books I've read are filled with active verbs, things people and groups actually did. General Gage ordered; Regulars marched; Dawes, Prescott, Revere, and dozens of others rode and warned; Minutemen mobilized; Regulars and militia fired.

But it's not just fussy old history books that use verbs. News articles are filled with them. Indictments absolutely require them.

"Bullet Wounds Occur; Militia, Regulars Involved" doesn't really cut it as a headline, does it?

Respectfully,
Myriad
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Most popular CT verbs: "could, should, would".
 
Childlike Empress said:
Cheney? Rumsfeld? Definitely.
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So once again, let me help you with a narrative...

At some time between the 1993 Truck bombing of the WTC and Sept. 11, 2001 there were explosives strategically placed on several floors of both WTC 1 and 2 as well as WTC 7 (aka The Solomon Brothers building) in downtown Manhattan - New York City, NY. Two planes were hijacked by remote control in order to make it look like they were hijacked by terrorists and made to look like they crashed into both tower 1 and 2. This caused the explosives that were strategically placed to be set off and cause a huge fireball which spread through the floors and eventually caused a collapse.

How does that sound?
 
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