Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[NoahFence]

The hypothesis that best explains the known facts is the obvious one - it was molten steel.

Lets just say for the sake of argument you're right. It IS molten steel.
So what?

What does this prove?

 

[W.D.Clinger]

But it is true that nano-thermite can react fast enough (super-sonic reaction front possible). What disqualifies it as an explosive is the lack of rapid expansion. It produces no gasses. In fact, I'd expect thermite (the Al/Fe2O3 variety at least) to contract.

I appreciate the correction.

 

[kookbreaker]

The idea that molten steel could be "dipped" out by an excavator bucket is laughable.

 

[Java Man]

What disqualifies it as an explosive is the lack of rapid expansion. It produces no gasses.

I guess that's why one proposed usage is "improved rocket propellants". Guess it must have some anti-gravitronic secondary effect. Nothing to do with you know high speed hot gas going out a nozzle.

 

[NoahFence]

So you're saying engineers don't 'build' large structures down to the last bolt on a computer using CAD/CAM software before construction is started?

In 1968? Not likely.

 

[NoahFence]

Java - go back to the PDF you linked, look at the date, and tell me. How many times in the TOC do you read the words "emerging"..."promising"....etc?

Wouldn't it stand to reason that they're referring to possible future applications? If this publication had the date 1995 on it it may have a nano-sized particle of relevance. But seeing as though the future of these nano sized technologies was being discussed the year AFTER 9/11, it should be painfully obvious that they weren't used in 9/11.

Keep digging buddy.

 

[Java Man]

Wouldn't it stand to reason that they're referring to possible future applications? If this publication had the date 1995 on it it may have a nano-sized particle of relevance. But seeing as though the future of these nano sized technologies was being discussed the year AFTER 9/11, it should be painfully obvious that they weren't used in 9/11.

Well I guess invisible ink didn't exist until... this year since the CIA hadn't published it uber secret dossiers.

 

[NoahFence]

Well I guess invisible ink didn't exist until... this year since the CIA hadn't published it uber secret dossiers.

No thermite. No thermate.

Period.

 

[beachnut]

I guess that's why one proposed usage is "improved rocket propellants". Guess it must have some anti-gravitronic secondary effect. Nothing to do with you know high speed hot gas going out a nozzle.

Thermite? Did you read the rocket section clearly and with understanding?

In summary, much more
research and development needs to be done in the production
and characterization of these and new types of MIC formulations.
Issues of MIC ignition and safety characteristics (such as
impact, friction, and electrostatic initiation) are promising, but
need to be fully explored. Overall though, certain key MIC
characteristics are very attractive and quite promising for practical
applications. These include energy output that is 2x that
of typical high explosives, the ability to tune the reactive power
(10 KW/cc to 10 GW/cc), tunable reaction front velocities of
0.1-1500 meters/sec, and reaction zone temperature exceeding
3000K. Specific areas of possible applications include use in
environmentally clean primers and detonators, chem/bio agent
neutralization, improved rocket propellants, IR flares/decoys,​

thermal batteries, and others.

You need to try an understand what you read, and not add your own uniformed opinions on top of possible applications for MIC processes. You are not very good at science, or reading comprehension, why is that the case?

 

[triforcharity]

I'm afraid the DOD seems to contradict you. Maybe you should contact them and have them correct their publications:

http://www.p2pays.org/ref/34/33115.pdf

"Figure 4 shows an example of the typical UFG aluminum that is produced ... these and new types of MIC formulations. Issues of MIC ignition and safety characteristics (such as impact, friction, and electrostatic initiation) are promising, ... certain key MIC characteristics are very attractive and quite promising for practical applications. These include energy output that is 2x that of typical high explosives, the ability to tune the reactive power (10 KW/cc to 10 GW/cc), tunable reaction front velocities of 0.1-1500 meters/sec, and reaction zone temperature exceeding 3000K. "

Nice quotemine job. Did you understand that it is mixed with already explosive materials?

Did you miss this part too?

The reason that Fe2O3 is chosen is because its thermite reaction with UFG aluminum is very exothermic (with only CuO and MoO3 yielding greater energy
of reaction)

EXOTHERMIC=/= explosive!

 

[slojoe]

In 1968? Not likely.

In 1968? Not likely indeed!

2 dimensional CAD software existed back then, but the hardware required to run it was extremely expensive and limited its users to big automotive and aerospace firms.

It wasn't until decent workstations arrived in the '80's that the cost came down enough for small and mid-sized companies to get in on the act.

It's easy to forget how far we've come.

 

[TruthMakesPeace]

qqqq

Got any suspects, by name?
The Commission that you allude to, however, wasn't tasked to do a criminal investigation. Instead, their task was to analyse policies, structures and organization of public administrations.

The FBI should question those who:
* had the power to carry it out: equipment, black ops teams, money, technology
* had the power to cover it up: creating a plausible cover story, set up group of patsy's, control over mass media
* resisted an investigation
* controlled the investigation
* refused to testify under oath
* refused to testify in public
* refused to testify alone
* benefited from 9/11 - cui bono
* changed their story about 9/11
* lied about other things in their lives

Even if the Commission was just asked to analyze policies, Senator Max Cleland quit. How much more unfair would it be as a criminal investigation.

We didn't get a real criminal investigation, and we need one. The FBI has not indicted OBL for 9/11. Only the Bush Administration did and mass media got on the band wagon.

The best "evidence" they have are water boarded witnesses who would confess to killing Abraham Lincoln, and a closed military trial to be held in Guantanamo so the press can be controlled. That's not American.

 

[Myriad]

The FBI should question those who:
* had the power to carry it out: equipment, black ops teams, money, technology
* had the power to cover it up: creating a plausible cover story, set up group of patsy's, control over mass media
* resisted an investigation
* controlled the investigation
* refused to testify under oath
* refused to testify in public
* refused to testify alone
* benefited from 9/11 - cui bono
* changed their story about 9/11
* lied about other things in their lives

Which (especially with that last item) is just about everyone. Take a number and line up, citizens! Cicorp wants the U.S. to become more of a police state!

Turning the U.S. into a more authoritarian and less constitutional regime is the "motive" that most Truthers ascribe to the supposed conspiracy. So you support that goal, you just have different methods in mind. Interesting.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Justin39640]

We didn't get a real criminal investigation, and we need one. The FBI has not indicted OBL for 9/11. Only the Bush Administration did and mass media got on the band wagon.

FYI - The FBI doesn't indict anyone. They investigate and gather evidence. Why have a grand jury indict someone for mass murder when they're already on the most wanted list for... mass murder? Have no fear. He will be, if captured, along with a host of other things he's guilty of but not yet indicted for, and would most likely proudly admit to. Just like KSM did.

Pure ********.

 

[NoahFence]

The FBI should question those who:
* had the power to carry it out: equipment, black ops teams, money, technology
* had the power to cover it up: creating a plausible cover story, set up group of patsy's, control over mass media
* resisted an investigation
* controlled the investigation
* refused to testify under oath
* refused to testify in public
* refused to testify alone
* benefited from 9/11 - cui bono
* changed their story about 9/11
* lied about other things in their lives

Even if the Commission was just asked to analyze policies, Senator Max Cleland quit. How much more unfair would it be as a criminal investigation.

We didn't get a real criminal investigation, and we need one. The FBI has not indicted OBL for 9/11. Only the Bush Administration did and mass media got on the band wagon.

The best "evidence" they have are water boarded witnesses who would confess to killing Abraham Lincoln, and a closed military trial to be held in Guantanamo so the press can be controlled. That's not American.

If there was a massive government conspiracy regarding 9/11 - the FBI would have been INVOLVED.

Now you want them to investigate?

 

[DGM]

The FBI should question those who:

* changed their story about 9/11

Would that include April Gallop and William Rodriguez?

Just asking.

 

[332nd]

The FBI should question those who:
* had the power to carry it out: equipment, black ops teams, money, technology

So every military, paramilitary, & terrorist group in the world?

* had the power to cover it up: creating a plausible cover story, set up group of patsy's, control over mass media

So they should start with the assumption there was a cover-up?

* resisted an investigation

Was Jamaica questioned?

* controlled the investigation

So every law enforcement & rescue agency including themselves?

* refused to testify under oath

If someone was willing to kill 3,000+ people & start wars that killed thousands more, what about taking an oath renders them incapable of lying?

* refused to testify in public

What about it being public makes them incapable of lying?

* refused to testify alone

What about being alone makes them incapable of lying?

* benefited from 9/11 - cui bono

So camping/survival stores, fear mongers like Alex Jones, people who have made money off of dvds & books like Loose Change?

* changed their story about 9/11

Including all truthers?

* lied about other things in their lives

So everyone on the planet?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

We didn't get a real criminal investigation, and we need one.

Lie.

The FBI assigned 7,000 of its 11,000 agents to the investigation into 9/11 along with 2,000 support personnel.

The FBI has not indicted OBL for 9/11.

The FBI is a police force. Police forces don't hand out indictments.

Only the Bush Administration did

Wait, so OBL has been indicted? Indictments typically do come from prosecutors working for the executive branch. You can't seriously be mad because the appropriate agencies carried out the appropriate functions?

The best "evidence" they have are...

OBL's multiple confessions.
Hijackers identification found in wreckage.
OBL personally identifying the hijackers.
KSM's claim of responsibility in a pre-capture interview with Al-Jazeera... among others.

 

[walkyrie]

Dick Gregory Joins Forces with AE911Truth to expose the controlled demolition on 9/11 of the World Trade Center

http://911truthnews.com/dick-gregory-joins-forces-with-ae911truth/

 

[332nd]

Dick Gregory Joins Forces with AE911Truth to expose the controlled demolition on 9/11 of the World Trade Center

http://911truthnews.com/dick-gregory-joins-forces-with-ae911truth/

He's been into CTs for a while now.