Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[leftysergeant]

You hand wave all the witness statements. The firefighters, survivors and reporters. This is just denial.

None of the fire fighters here think that the use of the word "explosion" in any of the examples cited by dirtbags like Gage and MacQueen have a thiong to do with demolition charges. We have not seen one credible account of "explosions" which is not self-expalnatory as somethng else, based on the stated time or the location.

Do you hand wave the videos of explosions under the debris canopy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

More like flip the bird to anybody who tell us that we have to believe those are "explosions. They a huge puffs of dust emitted as the floor slabs breakl loose and fall, expelling crushed concrete and dry wall. Of course it occurs below the canopy. The floors were failing ahead of the failure of the perimeter columns. One three-column panel of perimeter columns spans about eight floors, which is about how far ahead of the canopy the dust is being expressed.

Do you hand wave this explosion?
[FONT=&quot]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcRs1fv8i3I&eurl=[/FONT]

It sounds edited in and, by analysis of the time indicators, it could have had nothing to do with the collapse of any building.

The men at the pay phone do not even react as though they had heard anything strange, much less a bomb. Their expressions do not even change. Get a bloody clue. You do not know enough about how emergency workers reat to that sort of thing.

If that were a real explosion, I would call it more likely a car cooking off. We know for a fact, from much of the video available, and from their oral histories
That both Karen Deshore and Patricia Ondrovic witnessed this, although idiot boy MacQueen still cites them as two sources alleging "bombs." What a waste of skin that boy is.

But yes, of course you do. No amount of evidence will convince you.
If nothing else, you all are very consistent in your denial.

Were you aware that some of us were trained in forensic fire science and none of your drongos have a clue? Bring some valid evidence and we'll stop sicking Fido on you. But for now,

 

[triforcharity]

we'll stop sicking Fido on you. But for now,

I LOLed!! Thanks! I needed that!! Just flunked one of my favorite students, and needed a good laugh.

 

[jaydeehess]

Excuse me, but we have asserted that the substance which exploded in the lobby was jet fuel, perhaps enough of it to shove about a hundred tons of aircraft tens of miles through the sky at 400-500 mph. Of course it would blow glass out with such force that it would be like a taking buckshot load from a few dozen ten guage shotguns if you were standing next to it.



We know damned well that it was a vaporized jet fuel blast because people inside got burned to death, but not reduced to a meat smoothy. You lose.



Well, freaking DUH! Ramming a jet plane into the top of the building and forcing jet fuel down the elevator shafts is a clear violation of the code. Tell us something we didn't already know.

You very well could have started all of your paragraphs above with "well freaking DUH", LS.

Broken glass has been known to be able to kill for quite a long time, including incidents in which the person walked through a glass door, let alone conditions in which shards are propelled by any means.. Chris it seems has only just learned this.

High explosives capable of severing large steel columns would indeed turn flesh into a red mist. Centuries of warfare proved this to the horror of many. Chris it seems does not know this.


Flying large aircraft well above Vmo at low altitude contravenes the published rules for operating aircraft. Ramming fueled aircraft into large buildings does not actually violate fire codes since no fire codes even take this into account. Its a highly discouraged practise though.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Excuse me, but we have asserted that the substance which exploded in the lobby was jet fuel, perhaps enough of it to shove about a hundred tons of aircraft tens of miles through the sky at 400-500 mph. Of course it would blow glass out with such force that it would be like a taking buckshot load from a few dozen ten guage shotguns if you were standing next to it.



We know damned well that it was a vaporized jet fuel blast because people inside got burned to death, but not reduced to a meat smoothy. You lose.



Well, freaking DUH! Ramming a jet plane into the top of the building and forcing jet fuel down the elevator shafts is a clear violation of the code. Tell us something we didn't already know.

Hey. Do you wanna let us in on how jet fuel becomes vaporized outside of a fuel tank or container?

Then you can tell us how the vapors do not burn up in the initial fireballs?

After that how the vapors got into the elevator shaft?

Then why it didn't liquefy?

Then how there was enough volume left to cause a huge deadly explosion after traveling 80 floors down the elevator shaft?

Why didn't the vapors stick to the shaft walls?

How did the vapors get out of the elevator shaft?

 

[ozeco41]

...Its a highly discouraged practise though.

I have never seen it discouraged in any code that I read.

 

[Mel Odious]

Hey. Do you wanna let us in on how jet fuel becomes vaporized outside of a fuel tank or container?

Then you can tell us how the vapors do not burn up in the initial fireballs?

After that how the vapors got into the elevator shaft?

Then why it didn't liquefy?

Then how there was enough volume left to cause a huge deadly explosion after traveling 80 floors down the elevator shaft?

Why didn't the vapors stick to the shaft walls?

How did the vapors get out of the elevator shaft?

I think this thread will answer your questions:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92099

Be sure to read R.Mackey's lengthy posts on pages 2 and 3.

 

[triforcharity]

Hey. Do you wanna let us in on how jet fuel becomes vaporized outside of a fuel tank or container?

It's called physics.

Then you can tell us how the vapors do not burn up in the initial fireballs?

It wasn't near an ignition source?

After that how the vapors got into the elevator shaft?

Gravity and force.

Then why it didn't liquefy?

Did you contain it or cool it below it's vaporization point?

Then how there was enough volume left to cause a huge deadly explosion after traveling 80 floors down the elevator shaft?

FAE, or Fuel-air explosion. Go google it.

Why didn't the vapors stick to the shaft walls?

Because it's not sticky?

How did the vapors get out of the elevator shaft?

They weren't sealed? Not to mention that they were exploding?


Holy ****, you're completly uneducated when it comes to fire, aren't you?

 

[triforcharity]

I have never seen it discouraged in any code that I read.

You guys are KILLING me tonight!!!! I really needed this guys! Thanks a ton!

Here is a shot of Crown Royal XR for the both of you!

 

[Eschat]

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The 9/11 inside job will always remain inside. For some even if the government did confess about 9/11, they would assume it was some sort of disinformation to cover up something else.

A lot of people who like to debate 9/11 are doing it from the perspective of college, or political debate skills. Some have not really looked at what is the outcome is if they are wrong. It is sort of like, I was wrong, time to go home and watch TV and forget about it.

My perspective is that if things don't work out as the 9/11 planners hoped in order to stop nuclear proliferation, then all this debate is a waste of time anyway. Serious good intentioned false flag planners would not sacrifice 3,000 of their own unless it was life and death on a worldwide global scale. Failure is not an option.

Death by terrorist nuke, or death by starvation, or death by new world order planner with good or bad intentions is still death. It is not a matter of if, but when.

I hate the fact on why they did it, but they need to solve these nuclear proliferation problems soon, otherwise like girl said in one of the Terminator movies, "your already dead" Hopefully what was carved in the picnic table in the other sequel will be the thing that happens. That was "No fate"

In others words one last chance to stop nuclear holocaust. In that sequel she did, in spite of all the skeptics.

 

[R.Mackey]

I think this thread will answer your questions:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92099

Be sure to read R.Mackey's lengthy posts on pages 2 and 3.

... almost four years ago.

Science, how the ***** does it work?

Somebody wake me if there's ever an intelligent Truther sighted. I think they've gone extinct.

 

[R.Mackey]

The 9/11 inside job will always remain inside. For some even if the government did confess about 9/11, they would assume it was some sort of disinformation to cover up something else.

A lot of people who like to debate 9/11 are doing it from the perspective of college, or political debate skills. Some have not really looked at what is the outcome is if they are wrong. It is sort of like, I was wrong, time to go home and watch TV and forget about it.

My perspective is that if things don't work out as the 9/11 planners hoped in order to stop nuclear proliferation, then all this debate is a waste of time anyway. Serious good intentioned false flag planners would not sacrifice 3,000 of their own unless it was life and death on a worldwide global scale. Failure is not an option.

Death by terrorist nuke, or death by starvation, or death by new world order planner with good or bad intentions is still death. It is not a matter of if, but when.

I hate the fact on why they did it, but they need to solve these nuclear proliferation problems soon, otherwise like girl said in one of the Terminator movies, "your already dead" Hopefully what was carved in the picnic table in the other sequel will be the thing that happens. That was "No fate"

In others words one last chance to stop nuclear holocaust. In that sequel she did, in spite of all the skeptics.

So, paranoia, then.

You might enjoy this post. There is no worldwide conspiracy trying to bring about Alex Jones's wildest fantasies. If there were, their actions to date have been so stunningly amateur that it beggars belief.

Seriously, you should find some smarter friends to hang out with, and stop watching YouTube videos (and James Cameron movies) to fill your personal void of science education. You'll be a much happier, more productive person.

 

[Eschat]

So, paranoia, then.

You might enjoy this post.
Seriously, you should find some smarter friends to hang out with, to fill your personal void of science education. You'll be a much happier, more productive person.

Lots of science in this video. You should try real science sometimes. Here is the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMLUgVV0hT8

 

[R.Mackey]

I am a professional scientist. There is none in that video. Absolutely. None.

 

[Eschat]

I am a professional scientist. There is none in that video. Absolutely. None.

Come on please............. The scientist in this video must disagree with your definition of scientist.

Watch the whole video please

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMLUgVV0hT8

 

[R.Mackey]

There is no scientist in that video. It takes more than simply calling oneself that.

To wit, there remains not a single scientific paper produced by the entire Truth Movement. Your entire belief structure exists solely on YouTube. Believe it or not, actual science almost never takes place on YouTube. Even the least educated should sense something funny about that.

I don't think you even know what science is.

 

[Eschat]

There is no scientist in that video. It takes more than simply calling oneself that.

To wit, there remains not a single scientific paper produced by the entire Truth Movement. Your entire belief structure exists solely on YouTube. Believe it or not, actual science almost never takes place on YouTube. Even the least educated should sense something funny about that.

I don't think you even know what science is.

One of the tenets of science is that experiments and findings can be duplicated by other scientists. So if you watched the whole video you should know that. Also I have never heard of a scientist that would get so emotional as you have without proving through another case study that results shown in the video are erred.

So if you're a scientist prove it to me.

His name is David Chandler and here are his website and You Tube links

http://www.youtube.com/user/DavidChandler911

http://911speakout.org/

.

 

[R.Mackey]

Go to Google Scholar, punch in my name ("ryan mackey"), and seven of the first ten published papers you will see (including #1) are mine.

Correct, one tenet of science is repeatability. But that's not what science is. The "video" is nonconformal with the scientific method in the most fundamental way possible. Hint: _______ testing. Fill in the blank.

The emotional one here seems to be you, what with your fear of stealth nuclear terrorism bringing about the downfall of humanity and all...

ETA (in response to your edit): I know all about David Chandler. He wimped out of a planned debate against me a few years ago. Mere words cannot express how horribly you have misplaced your trust.

 

[Eschat]

Go to Google Scholar, punch in my name ("ryan mackey"), and seven of the first ten published papers you will see (including #1) are mine.

Correct, one tenet of science is repeatability. But that's not what science is. The "video" is nonconformal with the scientific method in the most fundamental way possible. Hint: _______ testing. Fill in the blank.

The emotional one here seems to be you, what with your fear of stealth nuclear terrorism bringing about the downfall of humanity and all...

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What is your problem with the fear of nuclear proliferation. It was a serious problem before 9/11 and it is still a serious problem today, even if I'm incorrect on my position. Imagine Pakistan giving the 70 -150 nuclear weapons they possess to terrorists? Crazy, yes, impossible no. Same is true with North Korea. The world has never been in a more dangerous situation ever in her history regardless of any 9/11 debate. Terrorists do not hold to the mutually assured destruction doctrine. If you put a terrorist nuclear weapon in a ship or a truck to get it to it's target, then launch detection satellites are of no use.

Someone asked me what I thought the Governments motives would be if in fact if 9/11 was an inside job. I gave my answer on why in previous posts. But regardless of whether I'm right or wrong about that, there is very good reason to be afraid regarding nuclear proliferation. Nato and America cannot even get a handle on Libya, Pakistan is upset at us and North Korea and Iran continue their nuclear programs.

Let us not forget about a very nervous Israel that no longer trusts America completely for her security. The chance of Israel using her nukes if pressed into a corner by being attack in mass becomes a more real possibility everyday. So I think I have reason for a little healthy paranoia. I rather do that then stand in complacency, or in denial of the facts. The world is on the brink. If you think Nah, everything is OK, no problems, well then I will leave you to your bliss.

 

[R.Mackey]

You're a funny guy.

Truth be told, I'm extremely concerned about nuclear weapons, always have been. But you won't solve the problem by believing and spready wide-eyed boogeyman fantasies based on pseudoscience.

Folks in the peace movement HATE Truthers, and for good reason. You try to hijack their rallies and make them all look stupid.

Fighting for social change and peace is a good thing. Doing so by claiming Boris Badanov blew up the WTC as part of a multi-generational plan to enslave humanity is stupid. Don't be stupid.

 

[Eschat]

You're a funny guy.

Truth be told, I'm extremely concerned about nuclear weapons, always have been. But you won't solve the problem by believing and spready wide-eyed boogeyman fantasies based on pseudoscience.

Folks in the peace movement HATE Truthers, and for good reason. You try to hijack their rallies and make them all look stupid.

Fighting for social change and peace is a good thing. Doing so by claiming Boris Badanov blew up the WTC as part of a multi-generational plan to enslave humanity is stupid. Don't be stupid.

Like I said I believe 9/11 was an inside job, not to enslave people but to ultimately save people by allowing America the time she needs in the middle east to possibly solve the nuclear proliferation problem. As far as other truthers are concerned I resent being labeled with them but I'm not ashamed of them. Some of their tactics I disagree with, especially Alex Jones.

Nevertheless right or wrong they are giving their best effort, so I think everyone else should as well. Then maybe the whole truth would come out and we could restore trust and unity in America. Then we might have a chance to stop that slippery slope the world is walking on.

Talk to you tomorrow time permitting. I'm beat tired right now from all the days events before I sat down 3 hours ago at this computer.

Take care everyone, goodnight from the Midwest of America.

Still the home of the free and the brave.