Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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R.Mackey said:
The Flight Data Recorders would have wound up in the impact zones, for reasons that should be obvious.

Only a scant few pieces of structural steel -- solid pieces of steel, some inches thick -- from that area survived the fire and subsequent collapse with their markings intact.

FDR's are a mere 1/16" thick steel on the outside. And unlike the majority of structural steel, they definitely participated in the collision first. How likely do you think it would be for them to survive, when vastly tougher materials did not?

Even if we ignore this, what do we expect the FDR's could possibly show that would blow the whole case open? :boggled:

Fixation on the WTC FDR's is a Conditional Irreducible Delusion. There's no mystery here, folks.
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You're kidding aren't you?
The FAA has placed durability requirements on the recorders and their casings to survive severe impact and fire

The storage medium of each recorder is located in a protective capsule, which must be able to withstand an impact of 3,400 Gs (3,400 times the force of gravity). Additionally, each must also survive flames at 2,000 F for up to 30 minutes, and submersion in 20,000 feet of saltwater for 30 days. Typically, to increase their chances of survival, the recorders are located in the tail section of the aircraft, which usually sustains the least impact in a crash. 8
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http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/blackboxes.html
 
Didn't notice a response from you when I asked a few days ago Ryan...

R.Mackey said:
I also note that this effect was known and discussed here many times even before the NIST WTC 7 findings
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Where ? Could you dig out link(s) ?

and indeed used by NIST in support of its own hypothesis testing.
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Where ? Could you give a page reference ?
 
Clayton Moore said:
You're kidding aren't you?


http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/blackboxes.html
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He meant first,
they definitely participated in the collision first
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as in before the fires, they first participated in the collision. Unlike, for example steel from above / below the impact, which was also destroyed.

Unless you're suggesting that the tail of the plane didn't participate in the collision, in which case the "conditional irreducible delusion" may just be your problem.
 
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Clayton Moore said:
You're kidding aren't you?


http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/blackboxes.html
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You should only have highlighted "usually" since that is the operative word in that sentence.

There was nothing "usually" about all the plane crashes on 9/11 (the impact speed to start with, there was no "most" or "least" impact damage, the plane disintegrated within about a second), nor about the black box being crushed by tons of steel, nor that they were lying in fires for weeks.
 
Bell said:
You should only have highlighted "usually" since that is the operative word in that sentence.

There was nothing "usually" about all the plane crashes on 9/11 (the impact speed to start with, there was no "most" or "least" impact damage, the plane disintegrated within about a second), nor about the black box being crushed by tons of steel, nor that they were lying in fires for weeks.
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Your propensity to build one absurdity upon another over and over and present it as irrefutable fact is insane.

You honestly think the black boxes were destroyed by the crash or were crushed by weight or all four landed in the fire UNDERNEATH the tons of rubble?:covereyes
 
Clayton Moore said:
Your propensity to build one absurdity upon another over and over and present it as irrefutable fact is insane.

You honestly think the black boxes were destroyed by the crash or were crushed by weight or all four landed in the fire UNDERNEATH the tons of rubble?:covereyes
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Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
 
But wait! There's more!

The damaged flight data recorder from Egypt Air Flight 990. That one "just" crashed into the sea.

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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
 
Clayton Moore said:
Our Purpose was to document the "Event"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx9q5N8iV68 :jaw-dropp
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Wow! Folks... We either have a time traveler from the past in our midst... or Rumpelstiltskin. Either way, this is an amazing discovery. Mr. Moore, I'm sure you're eager to share with us primitive future folk your highly advanced knowledge from the past, but we really must know how you managed to completely skip a half-decade of history.

This is amazing!
 
Clayton Moore said:
You're kidding aren't you?


http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/blackboxes.html
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Black box designers typically design them to survive accidents. These events were crimes and have a lot of other evidence to prove that. Black boxes weren't needed. Besides, if they had found them, more than likely you would be here today telling us how they were all planted since there's no way they could have survived all that chaos. :p

Dizzying, isn't it? :D
 
carlitos said:
Good lord that was dumb. The guy links Heiwa, which makes sense since the VW bug crushing a school bus example is about as dumb as Heiwa's stack of lemons.

Clayton Moore, have you just recently found these years-old arguments from incredulity? What is your hope in posting them here?
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He linked to Heiwa? That's like linking to Stormfront for a sensible unprejudiced view of Jews. Heiwa's knowledge of engineering could be written on the back of a stamp.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
Wow! Folks... We either have a time traveler from the past in our midst... or Rumpelstiltskin. Either way, this is an amazing discovery. Mr. Moore, I'm sure you're eager to share with us primitive future folk your highly advanced knowledge from the past, but we really must know how you managed to completely skip a half-decade of history.

This is amazing!
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Coma?
 
Justin39640 said:
Black box designers typically design them to survive accidents. These events were crimes and have a lot of other evidence to prove that. Black boxes weren't needed. Besides, if they had found them, more than likely you would be here today telling us how they were all planted since there's no way they could have survived all that chaos. :p

Dizzying, isn't it? :D
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You mean ditzying.
 
Christopher7 said:
Bob McIlvain's son was killed by the lobby blast blew the windows out. He was standing outside and the glass hit him in the face and chest.
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Excuse me, but we have asserted that the substance which exploded in the lobby was jet fuel, perhaps enough of it to shove about a hundred tons of aircraft tens of miles through the sky at 400-500 mph. Of course it would blow glass out with such force that it would be like a taking buckshot load from a few dozen ten guage shotguns if you were standing next to it.

You will not admit that what destroyed the lobby could have been explosives.
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We know damned well that it was a vaporized jet fuel blast because people inside got burned to death, but not reduced to a meat smoothy. You lose.

The code will say what is allowed and what the restrictions are. There is no single quote to point to. I am a contractor and I know that building codes are very strict for commercial buildings but a fire engineer would be able to give a more precise answer. You know darn well that codes would not permit hazardous situations like something that could blow up the lobby - the main egress for the building.
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Well, freaking DUH! Ramming a jet plane into the top of the building and forcing jet fuel down the elevator shafts is a clear violation of the code. Tell us something we didn't already know.
 
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