Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[triforcharity]

There is no single code.

Fine, start listing the codes. I'll wait.....

Source?
That does not change the fact that multiple explosions destroyed the lobby.

Your own video is my source. Do you see them covered in dust? The collapse just occured.

If they were in the lobby, they most likely wouldn't have gotten out.

Ask them if building safety codes would allow something that could explode in or near the lobby that could destroy the lobby. Show them this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO1ps1mzU8o

At my local hospital here, there is a HUGE HVAC unit right outside the lobby entrance. So, I know for a fact that you're talking out of your ass, as normal.

 

[grandmastershek]

Never ever?

The proof that you are in denial is that you cannot even admit that all these secondary explosions could be explosives.

When I see evidence for explosives then I will. Trying to take the testimony of firefighters and making it mean whatever you want is not that. Just go cry in the corner next time.

 

[Christopher7]

May I suggest the same for you? You seem to have missed a VERY important word there, as you usually do.

Corrosion of Metals can be defined as the destructive attack of a metal through interaction with its environment. This can be oxidation or something more extensive like "A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot sulfur attack on the steel." that melted the steel.

Deniers try to obfuscate the clear and unambiguous facts by using a narrow definition of one word in a paragraph while ignoring words like "liquid" and "melt" in the same paragraph.

This is the never ending denier waltz. Never give an inch, never admit anything, just keep repeating the same crap over and over and over. It's a tag team, first one denier, then another and another.


The beam melted! It says so in the FEMA report.

"1,000°C (1,800°F) which is substantially lower than would be expected for melting this steel."

 

[Christopher7]

When I see evidence for explosives then I will. Trying to take the testimony of firefighters and making it mean whatever you want is not that.

You hand wave all the witness statements. The firefighters, survivors and reporters. This is just denial.

Do you hand wave the videos of explosions under the debris canopy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

Do you hand wave this explosion?
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But yes, of course you do. No amount of evidence will convince you.
If nothing else, you all are very consistent in your denial.

 

[Christopher7]

When I see evidence for explosives then I will. Trying to take the testimony of firefighters and making it mean whatever you want is not that. Just go cry in the corner next time.

How about an expert?

Fire Department Expert on Building Collapses Thinks Bombs Caused South Tower to Come Down
Downey is in fact a renowned expert on building collapses. Robert Ingram, a battalion chief in the New York Fire Department later refers to him as “the premiere collapse expert in the country.” [US Congress. Senate. Committee on Commerce, 10/11/2001 ] 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer calls Downey a “very, very respected expert on building collapse.” [9/11 Commission, 5/18/2004] And Fire Chief Mike Antonucci, who is a best friend of Downey’s, says he “was probably the most knowledgeable person on building collapses there was. That was his [hobby], to study building collapses—what affected the engineering of buildings, how they [would] weaken and how he could respond and stay safe.” [Inland Valley Daily Bulletin, 9/7/2006]In response to Delendick’s question, Downey replies that, “at that point he thought there were bombs up there because [the collapse] was too even.” [City of New York, 12/6/2001]




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[carlitos]

Cool story, bro.

 

[Christopher7]

Your own video is my source. Do you see them covered in dust? The collapse just occured.
If they were in the lobby, they most likely wouldn't have gotten out.

Reporter: What happened?
Firefighter: We was in an explosion. We was in the lobby and a third explosion, the whole lobby collapsed on us.
Reporter: Was that a secondary explosion?
Firefighter: Yes it was. It was definitely a secondary explosion. We was inside waiting to go upstairs and on our way upstairs the whole thing blew. It just collapsed on everybody inside the lobby.

It seems that your hearing is a bad as your reading comprehension. I say "seems" but we both know that you are in denial. Nothing that proves explosives can get past your denial filter.

At my local hospital here, there is a HUGE HVAC unit right outside the lobby entrance.

Of course dear. In your state they would allow a hazardous condition - something that could blow up and block the main exit to a hospital, killing everyone near the entrance/exit in the process.

 

[A W Smith]

Sunstealer hands sarns his ass.

still basking in your sea of ignorance Christopher7?

My sig still stands, Nothing new here,

 

[ozeco41]

Einsteen, who used to post here, did smearograms a few years back. You could probably find the info if you're interested.

Thanks. The detail is not my mainstream interest - however I was intrigued by the bit of mental gymnastics needed to interpret it seeing this was my first time.

the911foum is the best place for smearogram information. Here are a few smearogram based videos......
The *video* form is created by each frame of the video being the smearogram for a different vertical pixel slice through the original video. Left to right through the video frame, so the resultant smearogram video has as many frames as the frame is wide in pixels.

Thank you for the explanation.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Truther arguments from ignorance and incredulity... Now that's typical

This wee enclave of mesmerized buffoonery takes more cakes than all get out. Soon you'll have to skulk away and meet reality.

I just love how your types analyze a 5 frame video as if it were the Dead Sea Scrolls. Or demand people believe the black boxes were destroyed and never found.

http://www.enotes.com/science-fact-...es-trains/where-black-box-carried-an-airplane

Where is the black box carried on an airplane?

The black box is a tough metal and plastic case containing the aircraft's flight data and cockpit voice recorders. It is actually painted bright orange to make it more visible in an aircraft's wreckage.

The black box is installed in the rear of the aircraft-the area most likely to survive a crash. The case, which can withstand a temperature of 2,000° Fahrenheit (1,100° Celsius) for 30 minutes, has two shells of stainless steel with a heat-protective material between the shells. Inside the case, mounted in a shockproof base, are the two recorders.

 

[triforcharity]

2,000 deg. F for 30 minutes. THe fires in the WTC pile burned for 99 days.

There are 48 1/2 hours in a day.

So, 99 days is 4,752 times it's rating.

Not to mention the initial shock that it received when it impacted the tower at about 733 fps, and then the likly heating it received in the tower prior to collapse, then the shock it certainly received when thousands of tons of building materials fell on it....

Yeah, nobody who is knowledgable thinks this is suspicious.

 

[femr2]

Can't remember doing one for the other view, but if I don't find one in my piling system, I'll knock one together.

Smearogram for WTC7 Cam#3 view...

The upward progression is visible on quite a few of the smearogram video frames, but the still above highlights the rapid traversal quite well.

 

[NoahFence]

^^^
Proving WTC 7 collapsed.

WWHOOOO WWEEEEE!!!

 

[TruthersLie]

This wee enclave of mesmerized buffoonery takes more cakes than all get out. Soon you'll have to skulk away and meet reality.

Yup... the skulking will start any minute now.... just as soon as you get some EVIDENCE.

Got any?
didn't think so.

ok ok ok... how about some science to support your buffoonery... any peer reviewed engineering/architectural/or physics journal articles by any of your 1400 "architectural and engineering professionals?"
Got any?
didn't think so.

ok ok ok.
how about just a simple narrative which explains most of the events of the day? Something twoofs can agree on which provides a simple who, what, when, how and why?
Got one?
Didn't think so.

Which leaves what you do have... arguments from ignorance and incredulity.

I just love how your types analyze a 5 frame video as if it were the Dead Sea Scrolls. Or demand people believe the black boxes were destroyed and never found.

What 5 frames of video are you talking about? See, we (the rational world) can't hear the voices in your head... so you need to EXPLAIN what you are talking about.

And I love the argument from ignorance and incredulity you post to supposedly show that you have a pot to piss in... just like a twoof. Here is the deal... go back to school. This time pay attention, and then graduate. Once you have done that come on back and we will discuss your inability to understand basic research and even simple probability.

your OWN *********** QUOTE (it doesn't say what you think it does)

The black box is installed in the rear of the aircraft-the area most likely to survive a crash. The case, which can withstand a temperature of 2,000° Fahrenheit (1,100° Celsius) for 30 minutes, has two shells of stainless steel with a heat-protective material between the shells. Inside the case, mounted in a shockproof base, are the two recorders.

Gee... lets see... the two "missing" FDRs were under several hundred thousand tons of rubble, in building fires which raged for 99 days. Simple question... is a fire that lasts 99 days longer than a 30 minute blaze? yes or no....

Epic fail. Try again.

 

[Clayton Moore]

2,000 deg. F for 30 minutes. THe fires in the WTC pile burned for 99 days.

There are 48 1/2 hours in a day.

So, 99 days is 4,752 times it's rating.

Not to mention the initial shock that it received when it impacted the tower at about 733 fps, and then the likly heating it received in the tower prior to collapse, then the shock it certainly received when thousands of tons of building materials fell on it....

Yeah, nobody who is knowledgable thinks this is suspicious.

Yeah that's cool. Seeing as how the black boxes were some 80 floors above the ground how would they gotten past 80 floors of solid material? Or with thousands of tons of building materials between the black boxes and the fires how could the black boxes wound up in fires(that lasted, I think, till December 2001.

 

[Disbelief]

Yeah that's cool. Seeing as how the black boxes were some 80 floors above the ground how would they gotten past 80 floors of solid material? Or with thousands of tons of building materials between the black boxes and the fires how could the black boxes wound up in fires(that lasted, I think, till December 2001.

Yes, because they should have been perched right on top. Another argument from incredulity.

 

[carlitos]

Yeah that's cool. Seeing as how the black boxes were some 80 floors above the ground how would they gotten past 80 floors of solid material? Or with thousands of tons of building materials between the black boxes and the fires how could the black boxes wound up in fires(that lasted, I think, till December 2001.

Your point was about their fire rating. Heat from fire rises, so the "thousands of tons of building materials" could have been cooking the black boxes like a bbq.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Yeah that's cool. Seeing as how the black boxes were some 80 floors above the ground how would they gotten past 80 floors of solid material? Or with thousands of tons of building materials between the black boxes and the fires how could the black boxes wound up in fires(that lasted, I think, till December 2001.

So was there nothing to burn in the top 30 floors, or did the black boxes that couldn't possibly have got past 80 floors find it much easier to tunnel upwards through 30 floors?

You've not really thought this one through.

Dave

 

[R.Mackey]

Yeah that's cool. Seeing as how the black boxes were some 80 floors above the ground how would they gotten past 80 floors of solid material? Or with thousands of tons of building materials between the black boxes and the fires how could the black boxes wound up in fires(that lasted, I think, till December 2001.

The Flight Data Recorders would have wound up in the impact zones, for reasons that should be obvious.

Only a scant few pieces of structural steel -- solid pieces of steel, some inches thick -- from that area survived the fire and subsequent collapse with their markings intact.

FDR's are a mere 1/16" thick steel on the outside. And unlike the majority of structural steel, they definitely participated in the collision first. How likely do you think it would be for them to survive, when vastly tougher materials did not?

Even if we ignore this, what do we expect the FDR's could possibly show that would blow the whole case open?

Fixation on the WTC FDR's is a Conditional Irreducible Delusion. There's no mystery here, folks.

 

[Sunstealer]

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