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You can quote Mackeys paper all you like but that doesn't alter the fact that Evans said on video that an hour later he heard a big explosion much lower down.
 
beachnut said:
Oops, 911 truth does not do research, they do quote mining and lies.

http://www.911myths.com/drg_nist_review_2_0.pdf BigAl did your research for you.

A good idea would be to stop believing the delusions of 911 truth. Any chance of that?
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How does the jet fuel cause explosions an hour later? Please take note of the important bit......an hour later. Evans is seen on video saying that an hour later there was a big explosion much lower down.
 
cooperman said:
How does the jet fuel cause explosions an hour later? Please take note of the important bit......an hour later. Evans is seen on video saying that an hour later there was a big explosion much lower down.
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Must be the nuke insanity. What was it? The collapse starts at the top, what is the sound at the bottom, the other tower hitting the ground?

If you can't figure out 911 after 9 years, and you are still trying to back in CD, you have major problems.
 
BigAl said:
See what Evans really heard and said (pgs 68-69.)

The cherry-picked Evans quote is an example of the "Truth Movement's" abuse of ellipses. There are more than 100 ellipses in the documents on the Journal of 911 Studies web site and in essentially every instance these are fireman's quotes and the ellipses were put there to hide inconvenient truths, that the firemen knew that what they called explosions were anything but CD.
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Do you have any comment on the video I posted?

Do you really think Mackeys paper is a better way to see what he heard and said than watching a video of him saying it at 10:25am on 9/11?
 
cooperman said:
Do you have any comment on the video I posted?

Do you really think Mackeys paper is a better way to see what he heard and said than watching a video of him saying it at 10:25am on 9/11?
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Prove it, provide evidence. Provide time, exact time he heard what he heard and put it in context. Do research and present it; prove it.

he was talking 3 minutes before the North tower collapsed? ??? or was he talking about the south tower falling at 9:59, due to terrorist act, an act you are trying to blame on someone else due to some unknown reason!...

Why has 911 truth failed to garner the Pulitzer for all this super evidence? Why? How did they fail?
 
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cooperman said:
Hey, heres an idea. Instead of reading Mackey's critique of Griffins summary of Evans' statements about something completely different, why don't we watch a nice video of Steven Evans describing the explosion I am talking about, that he personally experienced an hour after the sevond plane hit.Is that a good idea?

Here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UlJVibz7Dg
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Are you sure about the bolded part?
 
cooperman said:
You can quote Mackeys paper all you like but that doesn't alter the fact that Evans said on video that an hour later he heard a big explosion much lower down.
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So what if he heard some loud bang later? You seem to be implicitly claiming it was an explosion as used in demolition.

If you are then there is no point arguing whether or not it was perceived by Evans to be such an explosion. Those discussions go round in circles. Instead ask "What did it do?" Are you trying to claim that it cut something in the lower levels of the building? That is not so as shown by the mechanics of the collapse. All the action was higher up and nothing down below could have assisted without changing the collapse mechanism.

So, argue all you want about "loud banging noises" must mean "explosion", there was no explosion that cut structural members of either tower to assist the collapse.#
End of that claim. Next claim please.


# Yes there is one option I did not address. Some accomplices may have set of explosive charges in the basement as part of a cover plot to confuse later investigations. For what it is worth you can have that one for free. :rolleyes:
 
cooperman said:
How does the jet fuel cause explosions an hour later? Please take note of the important bit......an hour later. Evans is seen on video saying that an hour later there was a big explosion much lower down.
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It is the same tower the second plane hit, hitting the ground. Time
 
beachnut said:
Prove it, provide evidence. Provide time, exact time he heard what he heard and put it in context. Do research and present it; prove it.

he was talking 3 minutes before the North tower collapsed? ??? or was he talking about the south tower falling at 9:59, due to terrorist act, an act you are trying to blame on someone else due to some unknown reason!...

Why has 911 truth failed to garner the Pulitzer for all this super evidence? Why? How did they fail?
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Like that's ever going to happen. :rolleyes:

Steven Evans explains what happened when the first tower was hit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/forum/1548674.stm

I was in the hotel room on the phone broadcasting. I didn't realise that pictures of those were going out live, so I was describing the scene that was in front of me. I couldn't actually see the tower because it was masked by a wall just to my right. But what happened at that moment, as I described with the ambulances below and the north tower which I could see, is a sort of whoosh of smoke and gusts and that kind of thing coming into that street below me. It was at that point that the phones went and that hotel was then evacuated and the alarms went off. But all the phones in the area had gone obviously and you couldn't use your mobile so that's why I went out of contact but I was then getting away from that area to a point a little bit further back.

Broadcast being talked about above.




Then we have Cooperman's video, where Evans has left his room and we can see a tower collapsing. Which tower would that be Cooperman? If Evans had heard an explosion from below an hour ago what would he be describing?





Now comes the truly funny part, Evans debunking Cooperman.:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/forum/1548674.stm


Something that comes into my mind about all this. My uncle is an engineer and he was teaching the next day in McGill and coincidentally the lecture he was giving was about high-rise buildings. So he started off his lecture by saying: there is no way of avoiding this, we can't avoid talking about what happened yesterday and the whole class apparently - I wasn't there, he was there - was just utterly silent from the start. He then described the engineering of that crash - what happened to those buildings and what he says is that those buildings would have been built to sustain that kind of knock. It is not the knock from the airliners which demolished them.

He says that an airliner could have flown through those buildings and they would have stayed standing. But it is the heat that actually did it and you need a temperature - according to him - no greater than burning wood basically. And what that does is, it just makes the metal slightly pliable. Right at the top it gets pliable with the heat - the heat at the top apparently gets hotter. So it bends and collapses at the top and that weight goes down so it demolishes like the pack of cards you saw.
 
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'Any one of these buildings could blow up.' 'This ain't done yet'

There's not much doubt that he's talking about what he thinks are bombs.

At the very least this pushes the demands for a new independent investigation right to the front..
 
bill smith said:
'Any one of these buildings could blow up.' 'This ain't done yet'

There's not much doubt that he's talking about what he thinks are bombs.

At the very least this pushes the demands for a new independent investigation right to the front..
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Too bad us Illuminati and the MSM that we control will NEVER LET YOU get your silly investigation....

Whaaahaaahaaahaaa!!!

TAM:eye-poppi
 
I've been debating a truther for years at another forum. He'd been going on about CD for years, until recently when he'd been saying they LET it happen. I kept saying letting it happen means they didn't make it happen, so how can you believe in CD? Finally today, after dodging my question for 4 pages, he finally admitted:

I don't know if the towers came down with help and I no longer care.
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After so long, I'm claiming a win. :)
 
Orphia Nay said:
I've been debating a truther for years at another forum. He'd been going on about CD for years, until recently when he'd been saying they LET it happen. I kept saying letting it happen means they didn't make it happen, so how can you believe in CD? Finally today, after dodging my question for 4 pages, he finally admitted:



After so long, I'm claiming a win. :)
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Excellent Smithers. Now, lets retire the hounds and return to the abyss.

TAM:)
 
I wonder, with the recent mockery of truthers by jon stewart, will the truthers be forming any form of mounted protest (ie. a couple of unshaven unclean blackshirts) at his march to restore sanity (or what ever it is called)?

TAM:)
 
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Why are peope trying to rewrite Evans' testimony?

He didn't say an hour ago, and he is certaily not talking about the collapse. He states that about an hour after the second plane hit there was a big explosion from much lower down and he doesn't know what on earth caused it. It wasn't the collapse because he would know what on earth caused that.
 
bill smith said:
'Any one of these buildings could blow up.' 'This ain't done yet'

There's not much doubt that he's talking about what he thinks are bombs.

At the very least this pushes the demands for a new independent investigation right to the front..
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He must have just been confused. Firefighters are only reliable expert witnesses when what they say supports the official story.

The debunkers will soon start to say that we should trck these firefighters down and ask them what they think now.
 
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