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cooperman said:
They were in the lobby. The fireman described them as definitely secondary explosions and say that any of these buildings could blow up. They are the experts and I trust what they say.

Of course, they aren't the only ones. Steven Evans from the BBC described a "huge" explosion at the base of the towers, which he says "we all heard and felt".
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Explosions were heard and reported. I'm not objecting to that.
Now, the idea that this is somehow unexpected with a large fire event is where this gets baffling. Ordinary house fires have included reports of large explosions as well as larger fires. THis is extremely common. I've yet to see a compelling reason why the combustibles in the fires couldn't be the major reason for those reports unless you want to suggest there are no combustibles that will create explosions.

Get used to this video debunkers- you're going to see a lot of it.
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Yet no substance. Bill, you're all about citing those explosions testimony, and maintaining the illusion that no such combustibles exist that can cause explosions. I guess since you're such a pro at this practice there's little for you to "get used to."
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
Explosions were heard and reported. I'm not objecting to that.
Now, the idea that this is somehow unexpected with a large fire event is where this gets baffling. Ordinary house fires have included reports of large explosions as well as larger fires. THis is extremely common. I've yet to see a compelling reason why the combustibles in the fires couldn't be the major reason for those reports unless you want to suggest there are no combustibles that will create explosions.


Yet no substance. Bill, you're all about citing those explosions testimony, and maintaining the illusion that no such combustibles exist that can cause explosions. I guess since you're such a pro at this practice there's little for you to "get used to."
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Come on. The fire was 80 floors up and the explosions were at the base. They occured just before collapse so could not be related to jet fuel. How do you get a huge explosion at the base of a building when the fire is 80 stories up?
 
cooperman said:
Wow I haven't seen that before. Do you think the explosions they felt were soda cans popping or crt monitors, like in the examples debunkers always give of things that make noises in office fires?
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Boilers and HVAC equipment, mechanical hoists for elevators, and random motors will explode in a fire also......Soda cans? Not so much......I find it hard to believe that anyone would compare a loud boom to a soda can.......
 
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Boilers and HVAC equipment, mechanical hoists for elevators, and random motors will explode in a fire also......Soda cans? Not so much......I find it hard to believe that anyone would compare a loud boom to a soda can.......
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Me too, but they do.
 
cooperman said:
Come on. The fire was 80 floors up and the explosions were at the base. They occured just before collapse so could not be related to jet fuel. How do you get a huge explosion at the base of a building when the fire is 80 stories up?
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I would like to know what you think was the source of those explosions.
 
cooperman said:
Come on. The fire was 80 floors up and the explosions were at the base. They occured just before collapse so could not be related to jet fuel. How do you get a huge explosion at the base of a building when the fire is 80 stories up?
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Wrong again:

Just a few.

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Inside the Towers: Summary of Witness Accounts: Reports of Jet Fuel/Kerosene, Fireballs, Damage to Elevators & Shafts, Injuries In and Near Elevators, Fallen Elevators, Fires, Damage Below Impact Zones

Inside the North Tower: Witness Accounts, Floors 91-60

Inside the North Tower: Witness Accounts, Floors 59-02

Inside the North Tower: Witness Accounts, Plaza & Concourse Lobbies, Basement Levels

Inside the South Tower: Witness Accounts
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cooperman said:
Come on. The fire was 80 floors up and the explosions were at the base. They occured just before collapse so could not be related to jet fuel. How do you get a huge explosion at the base of a building when the fire is 80 stories up?
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It was during the collapse, parts of a WTC tower were hitting the ground. Tons of part. It was not from explosives, so the 911 truth moronic CD delusion is debunked by the video. The one fireman saw a jet hit, and debunks no plane claptrap.

The dust is on these guys. Judy's dustified steel.

It was a double debunking video. Two for one.
 
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cooperman said:
Come on. The fire was 80 floors up and the explosions were at the base.
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And a couple of the elevator shafts had a direct route to those regions allowing deflagration event to take place at the time the impact event took place. If you object to that, then consider that several elevator cables were snapped by the impact and fell all the way down to the basement. There's nothing that I'm personally aware of that would make this explanation void. Just as in cases where you don't have fire stops to slow or prevent the spread of a fire beyond a specific area of the building, if you don't have a separation it provides an avenue for this stuff to take place.

cooperman said:
They occured just before collapse so could not be related to jet fuel. How do you get a huge explosion at the base of a building when the fire is 80 stories up?
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The damage in the lobby is recorded by one of the Naudet brothers shortly before the plane impacted WTC 2 - at least an hour before either of the towers collapsed. And as is abundantly clear from every video of the collapse, the initiation zone is located exactly in the regions where the impacts and fires were present.

And if you object to that, I'll make another Naudet video reference. Since one of those brothers was inside the WTC one lobby at the moment of the collapse of the south tower why don't you you grab the video and point out all of these "extraordinarily loud explosions" that take place at the base of the towers just before their collapse? Last I saw they were non-existent in a video recording that remained in such close proximity to either of the buildings when one of them collapsed
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
And a couple of the elevator shafts had a direct route to those regions allowing deflagration event to take place at the time the impact event took place. If you object to that, then consider that several elevator cables were snapped by the impact and fell all the way down to the basement. There's nothing that I'm personally aware of that would make this explanation void. Just as in cases where you don't have fire stops to slow or prevent the spread of a fire beyond a specific area of the building, if you don't have a separation it provides an avenue for this stuff to take place.


The damage in the lobby is recorded by one of the Naudet brothers shortly before the plane impacted WTC 2 - at least an hour before either of the towers collapsed. And as is abundantly clear from every video of the collapse, the initiation zone is located exactly in the regions where the impacts and fires were present.

And if you object to that, I'll make another Naudet video reference. Since one of those brothers was inside the WTC one lobby at the moment of the collapse of the south tower why don't you you grab the video and point out all of these "extraordinarily loud explosions" that take place at the base of the towers just before their collapse?
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Do you even read my posts? The explosions they are describing happened not long before the collapse. That is an hour after the plane hits. What could cause explosions at the base an hour after the plane hits?
 
cooperman said:
Do you even read my posts? The explosions they are describing happened not long before the collapse. That is an hour after the plane hits. What could cause explosions at the base an hour after the plane hits?
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What lobby? Oops, the second aircraft impact would be three explosions. Impact felt in the earth/building shock-wave, impact sound, fireball sound; three separate explosions. In addition there were internal fireball explosions.

Plus parts were falling, bodies were falling, and more. The poor CD delusion has failed for 9 years, now a new batch of internet lies are rising up out of ignorance. Looking at the idiots responding to the video scares me that there are a lot of idiots, but they are only a fringe few dumb enough to believe CD and other moronic 911 truth lies.
 
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cooperman said:
Do you even read my posts?
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I read them perfectly fine. The lobby damage is documented long before either of the towers collapsed. You must have a strange definition of "not long before"




cooperman said:
The explosions they are describing happened not long before the collapse. That is an hour after the plane hits. What could cause explosions at the base an hour after the plane hits?
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Again, see my response above. You're terribly mistaken on the time line if you're discussing the reports of lobby damage. It would be disingenuous to discuss that when you're mixing details up. Most of the lobby explosion issues I see referenced by CD proponents has to do with impacts immediately before impact, or at the moment of impact, so if nothing else all I see is you taking a variation of those claims in its own distinct direction... which still doesn't really help much from what I can see...

Also here's the second video I referenced:


There's absolutely zero loud bangs preceding the collapse of WTC 2 from one of the closest proximities you could get a vantage point from...
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
I read them perfectly fine. The lobby damage is documented long before either of the towers collapsed. You must have a strange definition of "not long before"





Again, see my response above. You're terribly mistaken on the time line if you're discussing the reports of lobby damage. It would be disingenuous to discuss that when you're mixing details up.

Also here's the second video I referenced:


There's absolutely zero loud bangs preceding the collapse of WTC 2 from one of the closest proximities you could get a vantage point from...
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I am not mixing details up. I don't dispute that there were lobby explosions when the planes hit. How is that relevant here?

Steven Evans, the BBC journalist, described a huge explosion at the base of the South Tower, just before it collapsed. That is an hour after the plane hit.

The fireman in the video describe a huge explosion in the lobby before the tower collapsed. Nothing to do with planes, they had hit an hour before.
 
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cooperman said:
Steven Evans, the BBC journalist, described a huge explosion at the vase of the South Tower, just before it collapsed. That is an hour after the plane hit.

The fireman in the video describe a huge explosion in the lobby before the tower collapsed. Nothing to do with planes, they had hit an hour before.
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Then wouldn't a large explosion like this have registered in the Naudet video inside the WTC 1 lobby? If you think it would be in there you're more than free to point it out; the video is provided to you in my previous response.
 
cooperman said:
Do you even read my posts? The explosions they are describing happened not long before the collapse. That is an hour after the plane hits. What could cause explosions at the base an hour after the plane hits?
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Debris weighing tons was falling hundreds of feet to the concrete street. Bodies sound like explosions when they hit the ground. The sound of one is on the Naudet video.

Many firemen were in the North tower when the South tower collapsed. They didn't know what they heard and it sounded like an explosion.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Then wouldn't a large explosion like this have registered in the Naudet video inside the WTC 1 lobby? If you think it would be in there you're more than free to point it out; the video is provided to you in my previous response.
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They were in a different building, How do you know how loud it would be.

Steven Evans, the respected and experienced BBC journalist, stated categorically that there was a huge explosion at the base of the South Tower that "we all heard and felt". Are you suggesting that he made this up? Why would he say that if it wasn't really what he had experienced?
 
cooperman said:
They were in a different building, How do you know how loud it would be.

Steven Evans, the respected and experienced BBC journalist, stated categorically that there was a huge explosion at the base of the South Tower that "we all heard and felt". Are you suggesting that he made this up? Why would he say that if it wasn't really what he had experienced?
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What was that explosion he heard ? You never answered me.
 
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