Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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Perry Mason he ain't Maybe more like Hamilton Burger. I never understood how he kept his job.
 
He tried, but, as always, Bill starts with a false assumption, and goes fromm there.

BTW, Bill, if the nose came out of that side of the building, where did it go?? I mean, if it could go ALL THE WAY through the building, and come out whole, it could survive just about anything, right??

Where did it go. <~~~ I typed this slowly for you bill.

Oh, and what would it prove or lead to IF (We know it didn't) it did??
 
I'd like to know exactly what the **** the survival of the nose cone - even if it were true - has to do with well... anything... This is as irrelevant as my eating Swiss cheese
 
I always figured bill was just one of the fans of the washington generals... who ALWAYS thinks they have a chance...
 
bill smith said:
Listen to the whole video. The FOX cameraman in the FOX chopper agrees that he shot the footage. That makes it Foxs' live 9/11 footage.
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For those who find it less pleasant to wait for bill smith to get to the point than having a wisdom tooth removed without anaesthetic by a drunken first-year veterinary medicine student, let me explain what he's trying to prove here.

Bill is claiming that the Chopper 5 footage was broadcast live on 9/11, and has subsequently been removed from the archive footage of 9/11 and replaced with other material. He's not claiming that it doesn't appear in the archive, just that the archive has been altered to make it look like the Chopper 5 video wasn't broadcast live as it happened but was in fact shown later in the transmission. His claim, above, is that since a FOX cameraman shot the film, therefore FOX must have broadcast that specific piece of video live on 9/11. It's one of the most mind-bendingly stupid pieces of reasoning I've ever seen - for one thing, it seems to imply that FOX News only owns one camera - but bill smith seems to think it proves something.

I've been told that FOX was actually broadcasting video from Chopper 7 as Flight 175 hit the North Tower. I'm suspending judgement on whether that's true, as it was Ace Baker who claimed it. However, using bill smith's logic, if the footage from Chopper 7 was shot by a FOX cameraman then that proves that the Chopper 7 footage was shown live as well. The truth is that we can't know for certain which of its many news video feeds FOX was actually transmitting at the moment of impact, so the simple fact that the Chopper 5 feed was one of those feeds doesn't prove that that was thhe one being broadcast. Therefore, this is simply a case of bill smith claiming that because his personal recollection disagrees with the archives, the archives must have been tampered with, and that this proves that there was some kind of 9/11 coverup.

However, being bill smith, he wouldn't dream of actually saying that, and will now claim that I'm misrepresenting his arguments.

Dave
 
triforcharity said:
He tried, but, as always, Bill starts with a false assumption, and goes fromm there.

BTW, Bill, if the nose came out of that side of the building, where did it go?? I mean, if it could go ALL THE WAY through the building, and come out whole, it could survive just about anything, right??

Where did it go. <~~~ I typed this slowly for you bill.

Oh, and what would it prove or lead to IF (We know it didn't) it did??
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Why would I care where it went ? I am only interested that it went through those massive steel barriers.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
I'd like to know exactly what the **** the survival of the nose cone - even if it were true - has to do with well... anything... This is as irrelevant as my eating Swiss cheese
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But could you eat cheese if your teeth were only 1mm thick? Surprisingly the 1mm aluminium in the fuselage of the planes could eat 33 x 14'' x 14'' x 3/8'' inch steel box columns braced against the concrete floors at 12 foot intervals. 'Like those ' hot teeth through cheese ' lol
 
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bill smith said:
But could you eat cheese if your teeth were only 1mm thick? Surprisingly the 1mm aluminium in the fuselage of the planes could eat 33 x 14'' x 14'' x 3/8'' inch steel box columns braced against the concrete floors at 12 foot intervals. 'Like those ' hot teeth through cheese ' lol
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You lie. Its not all 1 mm and there are ruddy great framing sections, landing gear and engines there too. Large LRU for the aircraft systems, seats, wheels, brake systems etc etc. All travelling around 500 mph.
 
Bill,

I am concerned that, if I understand you correctly, you claim it went all the way THROUGH the building INTACT to come out the other side, only to be vaporized into thin air when the explosion caaught up with it.

Where did the debris go?? Why didn't you see a huge section of nosecone falling near West st after it waas blown up?? Where oh where did it go bill?? Give me ONE PLAUSABLE explanition for this, and you MIGHT gain a grain of credibility with me.
 
triforcharity said:
Bill,

I am concerned that, if I understand you correctly, you claim it went all the way THROUGH the building INTACT to come out the other side, only to be vaporized into thin air when the explosion caaught up with it.

Where did the debris go?? Why didn't you see a huge section of nosecone falling near West st after it waas blown up?? Where oh where did it go bill?? Give me ONE PLAUSABLE explanition for this, and you MIGHT gain a grain of credibility with me.
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Shucks, sounds lke my birthday came early this year. lol. I don't think i've ever seen a continuation of that shot beyond where the camera cuts away.So I don't know what may nave hapened to the nosecone/debris. If you have such videos please post them for the sake of general interest.
 
I am floundering a bit here.

Bill showed me a you-tube clip showing the "nose-out". He then insisted that Fox had removed that sequence from the record and replaced it with shots from the opposite side. He was wrong. The sequence is still there on the Fox site.

I don't understand where Bill is going with this. If, as he states, Fox is trying to hide something, what does this prove about the "nose-out" clip?

I can only take what Bill writes at face-value. I haven't in particular followed his postings here and really only came across him when he piped in on the "vicsims" thread.

Bill asked me for honest debate. I have been as honest as I can. I'm still waiting for him to answer my last post.

Bill?

Compus
 
bs is either a troll or insane. Don't expect him to have a point or to behave remotely rationally.
 
CompusMentus said:
I am floundering a bit here.

Bill showed me a you-tube clip showing the "nose-out". He then insisted that Fox had removed that sequence from the record and replaced it with shots from the opposite side. He was wrong. The sequence is still there on the Fox site.

I don't understand where Bill is going with this. If, as he states, Fox is trying to hide something, what does this prove about the "nose-out" clip?

I can only take what Bill writes at face-value. I haven't in particular followed his postings here and really only came across him when he piped in on the "vicsims" thread.

Bill asked me for honest debate. I have been as honest as I can. I'm still waiting for him to answer my last post.

Bill?

Compus
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BillSmith is JREF's number 1 pet troll. He will take whatever position within the 9/11 CT movement necessary to get people to respond. He is a 9/11 CT attention whore.

To get attention, that's where BillSmith is going.
 
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DavidJames said:
BillSmith is JREF's number 1 pet troll. He will take whatever position within the 9/11 CT movement necessary to get people to respond. He is a 9/11 CT attention whore.
To get attention, that's where BillSmith is going.
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I gathered as much but I thought I saw a glimmer of light when he offered an honest and quality debate. I'm still waiting for his answers.


Compus
 
CompusMentus said:
I am floundering a bit here.

Bill showed me a you-tube clip showing the "nose-out". He then insisted that Fox had removed that sequence from the record and replaced it with shots from the opposite side. He was wrong. The sequence is still there on the Fox site.

I don't understand where Bill is going with this. If, as he states, Fox is trying to hide something, what does this prove about the "nose-out" clip?

I can only take what Bill writes at face-value. I haven't in particular followed his postings here and really only came across him when he piped in on the "vicsims" thread.

Bill asked me for honest debate. I have been as honest as I can. I'm still waiting for him to answer my last post.

Bill?

Compus
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And this is why I have Billy girl on ignore. She is completely idiotic.

Nose in engine out


and we can't forget how Alan Lawson completely destroys billy girl and the other no planers here

and here

and here


my youtube skills are great. Bill S. has been weighed, measured and found wanting.

Try again billy girl.
 
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