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There is a third possibility. Maybe the columns were tampered with to weaken them. We know from the 'In Plane Site' video that there was a flash in both buildings right where the planes entered just before impact, so we know that the planes sruck exactly where they were supposed to strike.
Who makes up your lies for you? A flash? What was the flash again? Got some proof? What is in the nose of the aircraft? How does a low speed video camera pick up a flash? How many feet per pixel are we talking about? You are not too skeptical of the liars on 911 issues who make up thermite and beam weapons. Which are you for now; beam weapons or thermite? Which moronic conclusion do you support?

We know? Prove what the flash is that you know! You can't do it with moronic opinions which is all you have on 911.
 
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Come on beachnut, it sounds like you are trying to get a coherent story out of Bill.
You must be even drunker than I am.
 
No I think bill thinks it was superhero "The Flash" who was seen just before impact.

TAM;)
 
Come on beachnut, it sounds like you are trying to get a coherent story out of Bill.
You must be even drunker than I am.
It is a dream that never comes true for Bill; to stop and study one aspect of 911 and do rational research using sound judgment and a super-nano-piece of evidence. And in that effort form a correct conclusion on 911.

Why do we fail to think for ourselves is a question she should ask herself.
 
I suspect Bill and the others have very good reasons not to think too carefully about anything.
"The boys from the bog" of last months TLA nominations give a good guess at an explanation.
 
I am really starting to think that it was a combination of real planes and weakened columns.

Maybe the no-planes stories were planted to create two camps. Planes and no-planes. This is black or white with no middle ground so correspondingly people would be far away from considering the planes/weakened columns scenario-the middle ground.
 
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I am really starting to think that it was a combination of real planes and weakened columns.

Maybe the no-planes stories were planted to create two camps. Planes and no-planes. This is black or white with no middle ground so correspondingly people would be far away from considering the planes/weakened columns scenario-the middle ground.

How would it be if there was zero no planes theory ? Then there would be only the planes going through the columns. How long wuld it be before he discussion turned to 'how did the damn plane fly thrugh those multiple massiive columns anyway '?
 
Refresh my memory would you ? Is the the tail catching up with the nose or is the plane just getting longer all the time ?


The plane is getting shorter as the nose decelerates/shreeds against the collums.
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Ahhhh Toke,

You shouldn't have spilled the beans.

We could have seen whether he could have gotten it in less than two guesses...

:D

Tom
 
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Ahhhh Toke,

You shouldn't have spilled the beans.

We could have seen whether he could have gotten it in less than two guesses...

:D

Tom
Sorry:o, I just did not have the patience for another 10 pages before he got around to first (wrong) guess.:D
 
'how did the damn plane fly thrugh those multiple massiive columns anyway '?


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water cuts steel. 'Nuff said.
Yes,

Water can indeed cut steel. You reminded me of something that happened awhile back along the same lines...

I have been into R/C aircraft for many years now. Recently I've gotten into R/C jets. I had a 1/6 scale F-16 with a jetcat turbine engine installed. It had a wingspan of 58" and weighed in at 47 lbs. Typically in level flight it could easily exceed 200mph. Last year, I was flying at the local club airstrip and had either a broken linkage/clevis on the elevators or the elevator servo failed. I had no pitch control and it crashed into another club members car, a Nissan Altima.

Last recorded telemetry in my transmitter indicated the plane was going 232 mph when it hit, and it was a total loss. The Nissan sustained severe damage to the passenger side door. The nose cone, and indeed the majority of the airframe was made of lite-ply plywood covered in Monocote skin. We found the nose cone almost completely intact, with part of the forward canopy frame and cockpit still attached, inside the car on the passengers seat. And, there was far more of the plane inside the car than out. Luckily I was near the end of my flight and there was little fuel onboard, so there was no fire.

My point of this story is-

A cone made out of very thin wood, covered in extremely thin plastic, penetrated the sheet metal door, the inner mechanism of the power window, and the inner door panel of the Nissan nearly intact. Most everything else from mid cockpit back, was pretty much obliterated. The engine looked like an accordion, and the front landing gear was recognizable, but not much else.

If you are going fast enough, you can make lightweight, relatively soft materials, penetrate much harder, much stonger materials. The principles are indeed, fairly basic, simple physics. You truthers really need to consider furthering your limited knowledge of the subject.

L.
 
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How would it be if there was zero no planes theory ? Then there would be only the planes going through the columns. How long wuld it be before he discussion turned to 'how did the damn plane fly thrugh those multiple massiive columns anyway '?

As long as it would take for someone with no understanding of physics and engineering to start overestimating his own intelligence, usually.

Dave
 
As long as it would take for someone with no understanding of physics and engineering to start overestimating his own intelligence, usually.

Dave

do you really think that a plane that weighs ONE THREE-HUNDREDTH OF ONE PERCENT of the weight of the building it strikes one third of the way down from the top is going to make the 500,000 ton building sway back and forth for four minutes as well as destroying all those massive steel columns ? Especially when the plane is made of aluminium ? Some of it as thin as 1mm ?
 
As long as it would take for someone with no understanding of physics and engineering to start overestimating his own intelligence, usually.

Dave

Put your physics hat on Dave. I am making a series of interesting questions and statements for physicists like you to help us believe the government story.

2. What do you think would happen if the top 10% of WTC1 was stationary two miles up in the sky and the bottom 90% took off like a rocket and smashed into it at say 800 mph ?

Which would survive ? How different are the physics ?
 
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As long as it would take for someone with no understanding of physics and engineering to start overestimating his own intelligence, usually.

Dave

And he last one for now...

3.When I am told that one tenth of a structure crushes down the other nine-tenths of the same structure by gravity alone.I don't need any engineer to tell me that something is hideousy skewed and I am being sold a crock.

So you can explain all you like but until you can come up with any other structure, big or small in the entire history of this Planet in which the top and lightest one-tenth crushed the other and stronger nine-enths down flat on the ground by gravity alone all the explanations of 9/11 debunkers will be 100% disregarded.
 
do you really think that a plane that weighs ONE THREE-HUNDREDTH OF ONE PERCENT of the weight of the building it strikes one third of the way down from the top is going to make the 500,000 ton building sway back and forth for four minutes as well as destroying all those massive steel columns ? Especially when the plane is made of aluminium ? Some of it as thin as 1mm ?

It's a simple conservation of momentum calculation, and it's pretty well irrelevant what the plane was made of. A 150 ton paper plane hitting at the same speed, in the same place, would have produced exactly the same amount of oscillation.

Dave
 
And he last one for now...

3.When I am told that one tenth of a structure crushes down the other nine-tenths of the same structure by gravity alone.I don't need any engineer to tell me that something is hideousy skewed and I am being sold a crock.

Bill can you explain how 9/10 of a building musters its magical collective resistance potential and channel it all to the top floor that's being pressed down on? How is it that the critical floor should not give with 1/10 of the whole building suddenly coming down on it? That is the riddle you need to get your legs working on.
 
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