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Anyway, Mr. Smith is due here to explain why he mentioned a hurricane in a discussion of terrorist attacks. I anxiously await his thoughts. :)
I hope you aren't holding your breath :) I didn't expect the troll to respond.

Thanks everyone for the explanations regarding the hurricane.
 
The properties of fluid dynamics and wind resistance being what they are...yeah that's pretty much exactly what happened.

Had to change coveralls.

That's one for the "seemed like a good idea at the time" file.

I am just picturing you unzipping you fly saaying "I GOTTA GO NOW!! WATCH THIS GUYS!! I PISS IN THE FACE OF WIND!! HA HA, oh, awe **** mother ****** !! This was a BAD Idea!! Anyone got a towel??"

Too funny!! Thanks for the laugh!!!
 
I am just picturing you unzipping you fly saaying "I GOTTA GO NOW!! WATCH THIS GUYS!! I PISS IN THE FACE OF WIND!! HA HA, oh, awe **** mother ****** !! This was a BAD Idea!! Anyone got a towel??"

Too funny!! Thanks for the laugh!!!

It wasn't quite so melodramatic when it happened.

Just the deed and then the solitary realization that I am, in fact, an idiot.
 
Wow. Thanks - I glanced through that thread and learned that mentioning Judy Wood is akin to "Holocaust Denial." Having never heard of Ms. Wood until a few days ago, I was ... not impressed with her thoughts.

Anyway, Mr. Smith is due here to explain why he mentioned a hurricane in a discussion of terrorist attacks. I anxiously await his thoughts. :)


What you need to know about the deranged Judy Wood is that she believes the towers were brought down by futuristic beam weapons for which no energy source is conceivable. These weapons are somehow the personal property of George Bush and Dick Cheney, and are not available to the military. The fantastic cost of these imaginary super-weapons shows up nowhere in the budget. It remains a mystery why the Democrats in Congress signed off on this, ah, idiosyncratic use of R&D resources. If pressed on this point, "truthers" will fall back on Old Reliable: "They're All In On It."
 
I was just thinking...
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No you were not. LoL.

Don't forget... we know you.
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I've read snippets here and there over the last few years about migrating animals becoming lost. I bet that's because HAARP is affecting the Earth's magnetic field that they navigate by.
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"Snippets ... about migrating animals becoming lost."
"... over the last few years ..."

Well, bill. Here's an engraving from 1602.

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I guess this must have been the 6-oxen driven HAARP project...!

Tom
 
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Well, bill. Here's an engraving from 1602.

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I guess this must have been the 6-oxen driven HAARP project...!


Kids these days... It's as if, for some of them, the world began at the modern age...
 
... As a New Yorker, I've been west of Queens only once that I can recall.

Holy Moly Al,

You have GOT to get your butt out of there.

Did you know that there are places in this very country:

Where you can see the ground. No, the REAL ground. You know, dirt. And people aren't trying to sweep it up. And nobody "dusts".!

Where you can, all on your own, for no reason, suddenly stop walking. And not get run into from behind...!

Where you can decide, all on your own, where & when to cross a street. And (I know I'll be stretching my credibility with you, but trust me, it's miraculously true) when you step into the street, (are you ready?) the cars ... will STOP FOR YOU...!!!

Where you can get in your car, drive downtown to a store, and PARK RIGHT IN FRONT of the store...!!!

Where you can live "in town", and yet, within 10 minutes of driving, have not a building or even other people in sight.

Where you can drive til your heart's content, and NOT pay a toll...!!

Where you have not been reduced from the top of the evolutionary ladder to "canine restroom attendant". Where, if the dog takes a dump, you just leave it & walk away. Because it blends right in with the other 1,000 tons of deer, elk, rabbit, coyote, etc droppings in the immediate vicinity.

Where, if nature calls, YOU can do the same thing too. You don't have to buy anything just to use a rest room. You don't even NEED a rest room.!! And learning to do it elegantly - comfortable, great view, etc - is considered "high art".

Where you can walk somewhere, settle down for a while, not have to pay someone rent, and just live there. For as long as you want. A day, a week, a month, until your supplies run out.

Where you can see the stars at night. ALL of them. (In case you're not sure, there are more, much more, than 50.)

Where "slow" is a acceptable pace for your actions. AND your speech.

Where sometimes, the loudest thing you'll hear, for a week, is a breeze, your heartbeat, the flapping of a butterfly...

Where, if you lie down & take a nap, you're not gonna get rousted by cops.

Where, if you get thirsty, you walk right down to that water flowing on the ground and drink it...! And it's delicious. And if you can snag a fish, even better.

Where, if your car breaks down, you can't call a cab. Or a tow-truck. Because there ain't one within 100 miles.

Where it gets dark at night. No, REALLY dark.

Where people teach their kids to be NICE to strangers..!

I know all of this may be hard to believe... I grew up in Boston, and I frankly couldn't believe it either. But I swear, I've seen it with my own eyes.

Of course, if you find all of that intimidating, you could just take a trip up here (I'm back in Boston temporarily.) It'll seem just like NYC, only smaller ... until you root for the Yankees. Then you're on your own. And I don't know you.!

:eek:

Tom
 
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I could use a little help with a truther video.

At the David Icke Forum, I saw this thread where someone linked to a video comparing a shaped charge explosion to a recording of an explosion that happened on 9/11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I84-_hcbtyU&feature=related

The bit of 9/11 video shows several firefighters at a pay phone. One of them asks another, "do you want to talk to your mother?" or something like that. Then there is a sound of a loud explosion.

One person on that thread thinks it was the second plane hit, but another says no, it happened after at least one of the towers came down.

If one of you guys could identify the source of that explosion for me, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.
 
From what I understand the explosion noise was doctored into the original footage... but among the other issues I've had with it is that it's a single noise, not the sequence heard in a real CD... and the firefighters in the video aren't reacting as if a huge blast just went off right next to them... neither is there any follow up indication of a nearby structure collapsing...
 
Thanks for your help, Grizzly Bear. Now that I look at the (non) reaction of the firefighters, I agree with you that the explosion was most likely doctored into the footage.
 
I am pretty sure that there is an old thread here about the sound of that alleged "explosion" being added by "truth"ers into that clip, and that it identified the original footage and proved quite conclusively that the "truth"er addition is entirely bogus, and just another "truth"er lie.
 
The most telling anti-explosion thing for me is the complete absence of an overpressure wave consistent with high-grade explosives.

When the OKC truck bomb detonated, windows for blocks were blown out.

Same thing with the 1993 WTC bombing if I remember correctly. Maybe less so given the blast path.
 
Holy Moly Al,

You have GOT to get your butt out of there.

Did you know that there are places in this very country:

Where you can see the ground. No, the REAL ground. You know, dirt. And people aren't trying to sweep it up. And nobody "dusts".!

Where you can, all on your own, for no reason, suddenly stop walking. And not get run into from behind...!

Where you can decide, all on your own, where & when to cross a street. And (I know I'll be stretching my credibility with you, but trust me, it's miraculously true) when you step into the street, (are you ready?) the cars ... will STOP FOR YOU...!!!

Where you can get in your car, drive downtown to a store, and PARK RIGHT IN FRONT of the store...!!!

Where you can live "in town", and yet, within 10 minutes of driving, have not a building or even other people in sight.

Where you can drive til your heart's content, and NOT pay a toll...!!

Where you have not been reduced from the top of the evolutionary ladder to "canine restroom attendant". Where, if the dog takes a dump, you just leave it & walk away. Because it blends right in with the other 1,000 tons of deer, elk, rabbit, coyote, etc droppings in the immediate vicinity.

Where, if nature calls, YOU can do the same thing too. You don't have to buy anything just to use a rest room. You don't even NEED a rest room.!! And learning to do it elegantly - comfortable, great view, etc - is considered "high art".

Where you can walk somewhere, settle down for a while, not have to pay someone rent, and just live there. For as long as you want. A day, a week, a month, until your supplies run out.

Where you can see the stars at night. ALL of them. (In case you're not sure, there are more, much more, than 50.)

Where "slow" is a acceptable pace for your actions. AND your speech.

Where sometimes, the loudest thing you'll hear, for a week, is a breeze, your heartbeat, the flapping of a butterfly...

Where, if you lie down & take a nap, you're not gonna get rousted by cops.

Where, if you get thirsty, you walk right down to that water flowing on the ground and drink it...! And it's delicious. And if you can snag a fish, even better.

Where, if your car breaks down, you can't call a cab. Or a tow-truck. Because there ain't one within 100 miles.

Where it gets dark at night. No, REALLY dark.

Where people teach their kids to be NICE to strangers..!

I know all of this may be hard to believe... I grew up in Boston, and I frankly couldn't believe it either. But I swear, I've seen it with my own eyes.

Of course, if you find all of that intimidating, you could just take a trip up here (I'm back in Boston temporarily.) It'll seem just like NYC, only smaller ... until you root for the Yankees. Then you're on your own. And I don't know you.!

:eek:

Tom
It's funny 'cause it's true!
 
This seems like the right place for this question -

Is there a thread somewhere on JREF where the 'truth' guys all post their respective affirmative theories about what happened? I have done a little searching and can't find it. I would really like to read what affirmative theories these people have for what actually happened. Except for Heiwa, obviously.
 
This seems like the right place for this question -

Is there a thread somewhere on JREF where the 'truth' guys all post their respective affirmative theories about what happened? I have done a little searching and can't find it. I would really like to read what affirmative theories these people have for what actually happened. Except for Heiwa, obviously.

That would actually require each of them to make claims instead of 'Just Asking Questions.' In other words no, there isn't.

(That being said, there were some past posters that made and more-or-less stuck to certain specific claims - I won't name one particularly infamous thread for example - but I don't believe any are active posters anymore)

Apart from the occasional driveby, nearly all the remaining truthers here are Trolls; though one or two at least put a smidgin of art into their efforts. The others are simply delusional past the point of being capable of a single cohesive theory.
 
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Ya, that's pretty much the way it's been since the start. Virtually no attempt at a narrative which ties it all together. It's been the biggest gun to use against them, that they can't put together a cohesive, intelligent narrative which covers all their crazy.

Then they say that they don't have to provide a narrative. That they are either "just asking questions", or that they can at least prove the "official story" is wrong.

Of course, they cannot do that even. But even if you gave them that, how that magically translates to "911 was an inside job" is beyond me. It's not the next logical step for a critical mind. It's a ridiculous leap to fantasy land.
 
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Conspiracy Theorists are part of a Conspiracy

I think the Truthers are part of a conspiracy that is govement led with the aim of covering up the "real truth" by flooding forums with other conspiracy theories that can never be proved - thus obviscating the entire 911 landscape. Its a diversion from the real truth.

The real story is that a group of advanced deep water fish bred by the government to be assassines were responsible. I know I know, how did they fly the planes. Plain and simple - telepathy. You are going to hear more about this as time goes on Im sure, though I'll have to be carefull now I've let the cat out of the bag. We are the 911 Truth Truthers...
 
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